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  • Matt May said...

    You're right. He had, I believe, a foot injury. Might have been ankle. Either way, he has battled it since early in camp.

    Referencing last year...players talked up and then dumped quickly. How does a team build confidence when they see this going on around them? We had this last season. Players moved in and out as quick as the wind changes. That team last years was beat before they took the field due to lack of confidence. They all were in fear of losing their spot over one bad game or a couple of bad plays causing them to over think and play tight. Looks like more of the same about to take place this year. So be it. It's Jokers team to run. It didn't work last year and it won't work this year.

    1003blue

  • Matt May said...

    It was not.

    Great That hopefully means they handled it in house without going public with it. Glad to see him still on the depth chart and nothing going public.

    JCHS02

  • 1003blue said...

    I am referring to last years camp and what happened last year. Go back to the pressers from last year in camp and coming out of camp and it's all there. Aulmiler was the best thing next to sliced bread until he dropped a couple of passes. Don't know how you could of missed it. If I cared enough I'd go back and dig it up but it's water over the dam now. I could dig up more but it's not worth it prove my point. Lets wait till the Western game and for sure the Florida game and the sh*t will be hitting the fan again.

    Look I understand you're frustrated right now but Aulmiller never was called the best player on the team to my knowledge. Others have said the same. What you have to understand is, if the older guys who are less talented are making rookie mistakes why not play the more talented rookies? At least maybe their athleticism can overcome some of the mistakes and learn under fire. That's all it is.

    Also no one saying the older won't play again but they'll have to make sure they know their assignments and line up right to get on the field. Competition is a good thing to have on any team.

    footballcat65

  • 1003blue said...

    I am referring to last years camp and what happened last year. Go back to the pressers from last year in camp and coming out of camp and it's all there. Aulmiler was the best thing next to sliced bread until he dropped a couple of passes. Don't know how you could of missed it. If I cared enough I'd go back and dig it up but it's water over the dam now. I could dig up more but it's not worth it prove my point. Lets wait till the Western game and for sure the Florida game and the sh*t will be hitting the fan again.

    Just went back through my transcripts from last August, and couldn't find a single mention of Jordan Aumiller except for this quote from Aug. 9, 2011 on the tight end position:

    "We’ll have a better idea (in the next few days) after we see these guys in pads two times. After the first few practices we should have a little better idea how the tight ends are stacking up. There are a lot of them, which means nothing but competition. We’re liking that because you’re seeing some guys separating themselves a little bit and fighting a little harder. That’s exciting to see because I’ve been here when we didn’t have competition at a lot of positions and the 1’s didn’t have to compete as hard because the guy behind them wasn’t a threat. There are six or seven tight ends that might play for us.

    I also couldn't find a single story I wrote about him last year in camp. This is no knock on Aumiller, but I can't remember anybody even asking about him or having him discussed other than when Larry Vaught would occasionally mention him because he's from Danville. He was already being phased out a bit at the end of the 2010 season and was injured throughout last year.

    My point being I still have no idea when you're talking about them raving about him and how anything that was said today can be related to Aumiller's situation.

    This post was edited by Matt May on 9/4/2012 at 4:55 PM

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  • 1003blue said...

    Referencing last year...players talked up and then dumped quickly. How does a team build confidence when they see this going on around them? We had this last season. Players moved in and out as quick as the wind changes. That team last years was beat before they took the field due to lack of confidence. They all were in fear of losing their spot over one bad game or a couple of bad plays causing them to over think and play tight. Looks like more of the same about to take place this year. So be it. It's Jokers team to run. It didn't work last year and it won't work this year.

    Who? You've named one player - Aumiller - and in his case it's just not an accurate statement. Who else are you referring to?

    I think you're letting your frustration over Sunday's performance cloud your assessment of what your reading or seeing from Joker. The only player I can remember from last year who might have that beef is E.J. Fields after his performance against Louisville.

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  • 2 things: " Our offensive line played as good as any offensive line I've been around."

    Really Joker? While they were not atrocious, Max took some bad sacks and had to move around the pocket a lot because UL was getting pressure. Now Max did do a very good job of avoiding the pressure, but that's a bunch of b.s. coachspeak.

    and #2:

    “It's the same thing on third down, everyone wants you to throw it to the sticks. I don't know where everyone came up with that. It's hard to throw it to the sticks. Where is the defense going to sit? At the sticks."

    Well guess what Joker, if you throw it in front of the sticks, they're all waiting there when you try to cross the first down marker! What a stupid thing to say. You essentially don't trust your QB to make an on the money throw at crunch time.

    Catmando

  • Catmando said...

    2 things: " Our offensive line played as good as any offensive line I've been around."

    Really Joker? While they were not atrocious, Max took some bad sacks and had to move around the pocket a lot because UL was getting pressure. Now Max did do a very good job of avoiding the pressure, but that's a bunch of b.s. coachspeak.

    and #2:

    “It's the same thing on third down, everyone wants you to throw it to the sticks. I don't know where everyone came up with that. It's hard to throw it to the sticks. Where is the defense going to sit? At the sticks."

    Well guess what Joker, if you throw it in front of the sticks, they're all waiting there when you try to cross the first down marker! What a stupid thing to say. You essentially don't trust your QB to make an on the money throw at crunch time.

    Catman you've made it clear you don't like Joker in several other threads. We all understand that and you have that right. But please don't come over here and call anyone including the HC of the football team stupid. If you want to do that stay on TOS.

    Now, Max was sacked twice while attempting 50 or more passes. Even Coach Strong, commentators, etc......said UK's o-line played one hell of a game.

    Secondly If you throw right at the sticks you're throwing into coverage. That's why you throw it a little short or longer which ever the defense is giving you. This is not hard to understand if you even have the least bit of football knowledge.

    This post was edited by footballcat65 on 9/4/2012 at 4:38 PM

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  • Seems to me a couple of guys on here want to infect the team with their hate.

    Suchy500

  • Catmando said...

    2 things: " Our offensive line played as good as any offensive line I've been around."

    Really Joker? While they were not atrocious, Max took some bad sacks and had to move around the pocket a lot because UL was getting pressure. Now Max did do a very good job of avoiding the pressure, but that's a bunch of b.s. coachspeak.

    and #2:

    “It's the same thing on third down, everyone wants you to throw it to the sticks. I don't know where everyone came up with that. It's hard to throw it to the sticks. Where is the defense going to sit? At the sticks."

    Well guess what Joker, if you throw it in front of the sticks, they're all waiting there when you try to cross the first down marker! What a stupid thing to say. You essentially don't trust your QB to make an on the money throw at crunch time.

    It's interesting to me that the three people I've seen most vocal about - or even brought up - the offensive line's play as anything less than pretty darn good are three posters who have consistently been amongst the most vocal about their disenchantment with all things Kentucky football. Yet, both Kentucky's coaches and Louisville's coaches have praised the Cats' offensive line play in that game as terrific.

    I get people are mad. I get people don't think Joker Phillips is the guy for the job. I get they hate Mitch Barnhart. I get the frustration and angst. To each his own. But it seems some people are also letting those feelings completely blind them to having any ability to step back and rationally evaluate what goes on. I have no idea if the offensive line's play was a one-game mirage or what we'll see the rest of the year, but to continue to suggest it wasn't much better than mediocre against Louisville despite all the evidence against that stance, including the direct comments of coaches on both sides, well, is pretty damning about where they stand.

    Furthermore, Jeff Van Note - who knows more about football, specifically offensive line play, than 99.99999999% of the people on this board - says the offensive line was very good then I think we know how they played. And he said exactly that on our radio show last night. He was very impressed.

    This post was edited by Matt May on 9/4/2012 at 4:50 PM

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  • Matt May said...

    I think you're way overreacting, to be honest. They aren't making wholesale changes after one game. They're not even saying the are absolutely making changes. They are saying that if the older guys continue to make the same correctable mistakes they'll evaluate whether they need to play the talented young guys to see if they can not make those mistakes. Simple as that.

    Maybe I am overreacting. Time will tell. But I don't think so.

    1003blue

  • Matt May said...

    It's interesting to me that the three people I've seen most vocal about - or even brought up - the offensive line's play as anything less than pretty darn good are three posters who have consistently been amongst the most vocal about their disenchantment with all things Kentucky football. Yet, both Kentucky's coaches and Louisville's coaches have praised the Cats' offensive line play in that game as terrific.

    I get people are mad. I get people don't think Joker Phillips is the guy for the job. I get they hate Mitch Barnhart. I get the frustration and angst. To each his own. But it seems some people are also letting those feelings completely blind them to having any ability to step back and rationally evaluate what goes on. I have no idea if the offensive line's play was a one-game mirage or what we'll see the rest of the year, but to continue to suggest it wasn't much better than mediocre against Louisville despite all the evidence against that stance, including the direct comments of coaches on both sides, well, is pretty damning about where they stand.

    Furthermore, Jeff Van Note - who knows more about football, specifically offensive line play, than 99.99% of the people on this board - says the offensive line was very good then I think we know how they played. And he said exactly that on our radio show last night. He was very impressed.

    Matt,

    Very fair assessment. I was probably too hard on the oline. I thought they did a really nice job with what was asked of them. However, let's be clear, they were not asked to provide pass protection for deep timing routes like years past under Joker (which requires extra time). They also weren't asked to line up in the Power I and establish a running game (like they were in Joker's offense until this season).

    They were asked to block for short, dink and dunk patterns by and large all day. They did a hell of a job in that regard. They also did a hell of a job run blocking out of the shotgun.

    What the Oline did on Sunday was completely different than anything they've done in the Rich Brooks/Joker Phillips/Randy Sanders offensive era.

    MinterWonderlnd

  • MinterWonderlnd said...

    Matt,

    Very fair assessment. I was probably too hard on the oline. I thought they did a really nice job with what was asked of them. However, let's be clear, they were not asked to provide pass protection for deep timing routes like years past under Joker (which requires extra time). They also weren't asked to line up in the Power I and establish a running game (like they were in Joker's offense until this season).

    They were asked to block for short, dink and dunk patterns by and large all day. They did a hell of a job in that regard. They also did a hell of a job run blocking out of the shotgun.

    What the Oline did on Sunday was completely different than anything they've done in the Rich Brooks/Joker Phillips/Randy Sanders offensive era.

    Talk about about a back-handed compliment. Actually even the guys on UL's afternoon radio show said Smith had all day to throw. He did check down a lot because that's what UL was giving. As for the run blocking shotgun or I formation they did well. It baffles me how some people just can't give credit where credit is due?

    footballcat65

  • footballcat65 said...

    Catman you've made it clear you don't like Joker in several other threads. We all understand that and you have that right. But please don't come over here and call anyone including the HC of the football team stupid. If you want to do that stay on TOS.

    Now, Max was sacked twice while attempting 50 or more passes. Even Coach Strong, commentators, etc......said UK's o-line played one hell of a game.

    Secondly If you throw right at the sticks you're throwing into coverage. That's why you throw it a little short or longer which ever the defense is giving you. This is not hard to understand if you even have the least bit of football knowledge.

    Where do you come up with this crap? Anyone who knows me knows I have supported Joker and very much wanted him to be successful. As I’ve stated many times before, I would like nothing more than for a loyal UK alum like Joker to have success as our HC and stick around for a long time. However, liking Joker as a person and wanting him to succeed doesn’t equal success. Like it or not, the writing is on the wall. We’ve heard all off season long that things are going to be different and they are not. Lat year, the strength was the O-line. We saw how that turned out. This year, the D line? How long will you buy into the b.s hype, only to be let down?

    As far as calling him stupid? Can you read? I never called Joker stupid. I said “what a stupid thing to say,” because in my opinion, it was. Believe it or not, one can be quite intelligent and say something stupid. Some of you guys on here are so freaking sensitive, it’s ridiculous.
    Think what you want about the O line. I watched the game twice, and their protection, though descent for a UK team, was not all that good. It certainly wasn’t SEC good, and since Joker has been coaching in the SEC for a long time, you’d think they’d be far from the best he’s ever seen.

    And believe it or not, I know that you are throwing into coverage if you throw it to the sticks. I also know that every other freakin team in our conference does it, and does it successfully, all the while, I have watched us fail to convert third downs over and over and over throwing the ball behind the sticks. This is not a new complaint. I, and many other UK fans, have been complaining about it since Joker was OC. It’s just gotten worse since he’s become HC.
    But since your football IQ is obviously so much higher than mine, explain to me how our receivers are going to get the first down catching the ball behind the marker, when all of the defense is lined up there to stop them?

    This post was edited by Catmando on 9/4/2012 at 5:14 PM

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  • Matt May said...

    Who? You've named one player - Aumiller - and in his case it's just not an accurate statement. Who else are you referring to?

    I think you're letting your frustration over Sunday's performance cloud your assessment of what your reading or seeing from Joker. The only player I can remember from last year who might have that beef is E.J. Fields after his performance against Louisville.

    Not going to rehash last year anymore. I really would like to forget it and it's painful going back to it. Moving on................. I'll take my clouded assessment, shut my mouth and let the season play out.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by 1003blue on 9/4/2012 at 5:18 PM

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  • Catmando said...

    Where do you come up with this crap? Anyone who knows me knows I have supported Joker and very much wanted him to be successful. As I’ve stated many times before, I would like nothing more than for a loyal UK alum like Joker to have success as our HC and stick around for a long time. However, liking Joker as a person and wanting him to succeed doesn’t equal success. Like it or not, the writing is on the wall. We’ve heard all off season long that things are going to be different and they are not. Lat year, the strength was the O-line. We saw how that turned out. This year, the D line? How long will you buy into the b.s hype, only to be let down?

    As far as calling him stupid? Can you read? I never called Joker stupid. I said “what a stupid thing to say,” because in my opinion, it was. Believe it or not, one can be quite intelligent and say something stupid. Some of you guys on here are so freaking sensitive, it’s ridiculous. Think what you want about the O line. I watched the game twice, and their protection, though descent for a UK team, was not all that good. It certainly wasn’t SEC good, and since Joker has been coaching in the SEC for a long time, you’d think they’d be far from the best he’s ever seen.

    And believe it or not, I know that you are throwing into coverage if you throw it to the sticks. I also know that every other freakin team in our conference does it, and does it successfully, all the while, I have watched us fail to convert third downs over and over and over throwing the ball behind the sticks. This is not a new complaint. I, and many other UK fans, have been complaining about it since Joker was OC. It’s just gotten worse since he’s become HC. But since your football IQ is obviously so much higher than mine, explain to me how our receivers are going to get the first down catching the ball behind the marker, when all of the defense is lined up there to stop them?

    When you call what someone says stupid your calling them stupid. Not hard to understand. Apparently I can read but reading comprehension is not your strong point.

    As for the o-line play, Coach Strong. Coach Joker, Jeff Van Note, etc...all said they played a great game. But I guess you know more than them?

    As for throwing behind the sticks you obviously have no idea what your talking about. You check down to a receiver in space and he actually gets the first down. Not hard to understand.

    I'm trying to be nice but your hate for Joker and lack of football knowledge is very trying to say the least.

    footballcat65

  • footballcat65 said...

    When you call what someone says stupid your calling them stupid. Not hard to understand. Apparently I can read but reading comprehension is not your strong point.

    As for the o-line play, Coach Strong. Coach Joker, Jeff Van Note, etc...all said they played a great game. But I guess you know more than them?

    As for throwing behind the sticks you obviously have no idea what your talking about. You check down to a receiver in space and he actually gets the first down. Not hard to understand.

    I'm trying to be nice but your hate for Joker and lack of football knowledge is very trying to say the least.

    So you don't understand the difference between a statement and a person? Wow, you must be freaking brilliant. Sounds to me like you don't even understand what reading comprehension is, let alone have it be your strong point.

    As for making up shit about me that you don't really know, 2 can play at that game you know.

    Catmando

  • Catmando said...

    So you don't understand the difference between a statement and a person? Wow, you must be freaking brilliant. Sounds to me like you don't even understand what reading comprehension is, let alone have it be your strong point.

    As for making up shit about me that you don't really know, 2 can play at that game you know.

    Let me explain. When you call someones statement stupid you are calling them stupid. Not hard to understand but a fact!

    Didn't make up anything. You've shown your hatred for Joker. We all get it. you don't like him. It's your right. Just don't call names is all I'm saying.

    Also you never responded about the o-line play. That says a lot right there.

    footballcat65

  • Sure seems like some of our fans got a lot of "quit" in them. Probably same guys that always talk about being top 25 fans.

    Suchy500

  • After reading this whole thread, you can see the agendas that people have. But to the facts.
    UK rushed for almost 5 yards per carry.
    UK passed 50 times only allowing 2 sacks.

    I really don't care what defense ul was playing or what formation UK was lined up in. That is good offensive line play. Were there mistakes in the blitz pickups. YES. That happens to the best lines.

    bigbluerules ●

  • Catmando said...

    Where do you come up with this crap? Anyone who knows me knows I have supported Joker and very much wanted him to be successful. As I’ve stated many times before, I would like nothing more than for a loyal UK alum like Joker to have success as our HC and stick around for a long time. However, liking Joker as a person and wanting him to succeed doesn’t equal success. Like it or not, the writing is on the wall. We’ve heard all off season long that things are going to be different and they are not. Lat year, the strength was the O-line. We saw how that turned out. This year, the D line? How long will you buy into the b.s hype, only to be let down?

    As far as calling him stupid? Can you read? I never called Joker stupid. I said “what a stupid thing to say,” because in my opinion, it was. Believe it or not, one can be quite intelligent and say something stupid. Some of you guys on here are so freaking sensitive, it’s ridiculous. Think what you want about the O line. I watched the game twice, and their protection, though descent for a UK team, was not all that good. It certainly wasn’t SEC good, and since Joker has been coaching in the SEC for a long time, you’d think they’d be far from the best he’s ever seen.

    And believe it or not, I know that you are throwing into coverage if you throw it to the sticks. I also know that every other freakin team in our conference does it, and does it successfully, all the while, I have watched us fail to convert third downs over and over and over throwing the ball behind the sticks. This is not a new complaint. I, and many other UK fans, have been complaining about it since Joker was OC. It’s just gotten worse since he’s become HC. But since your football IQ is obviously so much higher than mine, explain to me how our receivers are going to get the first down catching the ball behind the marker, when all of the defense is lined up there to stop them?

    Its the way you go about what you say. Gives people the wrong idea. A little less attitude(I guess, not really sure what the best word is here) would help. Not everybody knows you and not everybody know what you've posted in the past. But I assure you its not really what you post. Its how you post it. Whether or not you care to change that is up to you.

    tWhit

  • Catmando said...

    “It's the same thing on third down, everyone wants you to throw it to the sticks. I don't know where everyone came up with that. It's hard to throw it to the sticks. Where is the defense going to sit? At the sticks."

    Well guess what Joker, if you throw it in front of the sticks, they're all waiting there when you try to cross the first down marker! What a stupid thing to say. You essentially don't trust your QB to make an on the money throw at crunch time.

    To be fair, Cat, we converted 3 third and longs on Sunday, including a third and 17 pass to King that was a great throw through coverage.

    I don't think it's ever been the case that UK hasn't sent routes past the sticks, because I see receivers running downfield in those situations. I think that virtually everyone teaches their QB that, on third and long, you pick up the first down if you're 100% sure, but you don't force it into coverage unnecessarily because you're costing yourself 30-40yards in field position. If coverage is there, you dump it off and try to let someone make a play. I would rather punt and shift field position 100 times out of 100 rather than forcing a ball into coverage on third and long.

    Same logic applies to a draw on third and long, especially on your own side of the 50. Better to punt and force the offense to drive farther than to turn it over in your own territory.

    JDHLaw11

  • This was written by Larry Vaught last August 2011..

    “Jordan Aumiller has been as consistent a player that we have had, not only at the tight end position, but on the football team,” Phillips said about the on-going depth chart battle at tight end. “After him, Tyler Robinson has been out and the rest of them have been hit or miss. I think Nick Melillo has moved himself to the second team today. After watching the film, that is how it has been. After Jordan, every other day, somebody moves up and somebody moves down.”

    I think Joker's comments are fine with me. He needs to keep the team confident and in the end..we lost on the road to a top 25 (I believe UL is a legit top 20 team)...we never win those games. The season turns on MSU, Vandy, UF (yes UF is not a top 30 team) and maybe Mizzou. I think UK wins 1 and maybe 2 if the LBers can come of age and all of those teams are not as good as UL after this season is over with IMO.

    I was one of the least supportive of OL play but I have to admit...Kevin Mitchell played a dang good game. Played better than D. Miller at opposite tackle spot. Communication was very good and I'm happy with the lack of sacks and pressure the OL game for a team that was down multiple scores the last 3 qtrs and in shotgun essentially the entire game. I am eager to see what Mitchell does vs. a traditional 4-3 DE with more size than UL's kids...but give Summers credit...game 1 his squad protected well and made some holes for RB.

    And a final codu to Max Smith...I think fans need to learn what a QB that makes solid pre-snap reads, makes quick decisions and is accurate on short to intermediate passes is worth. Max helps the OL by not staring down the rush, taking sacks, putting UK in bad down and distance, delivering a catchable ball for WR to make plays with (most times in stride) and being on time in passing game. Many will sour at this but alot of our OL and WR issues were by a QB who basically did none of those things Max does so well. So the next time a HS kid comes in with big arm and fast feet...I want to first see if he can make good decisions and accurate passes first and foremost.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by K__TIME on 9/4/2012 at 6:57 PM

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  • K__TIME said...

    This was written by Larry Vaught last August 2011..

    “Jordan Aumiller has been as consistent a player that we have had, not only at the tight end position, but on the football team,” Phillips said about the on-going depth chart battle at tight end. “After him, Tyler Robinson has been out and the rest of them have been hit or miss. I think Nick Melillo has moved himself to the second team today. After watching the film, that is how it has been. After Jordan, every other day, somebody moves up and somebody moves down.”

    I think Joker's comments are fine with me. He needs to keep the team confident and in the end..we lost on the road to a top 25 (I believe UL is a legit top 20 team)...we never win those games. The season turns on MSU, Vandy, UF (yes UF is not a top 30 team) and maybe Mizzou. I think UK wins 1 and maybe 2 if the LBers can come of age and all of those teams are not as good as UL after this season is over with IMO.

    Hardly a ringing endorsemnet as the best player on the team wouldn't you say? Come on?

    footballcat65

  • Are offense played pretty darn well. We drove the ball at will, we missed a cheap fg. had two fumbles one inside the 30 the other inside the 3. Not to mention are defense was on the field giving up how many drives of 70 plus yards for touchdowns.So yeah i think it is safe to say the offense sans the turnovers did what they wanted to do.

    quagmire

  • Matt May said...

    It's interesting to me that the three people I've seen most vocal about - or even brought up - the offensive line's play as anything less than pretty darn good are three posters who have consistently been amongst the most vocal about their disenchantment with all things Kentucky football. Yet, both Kentucky's coaches and Louisville's coaches have praised the Cats' offensive line play in that game as terrific.

    I get people are mad. I get people don't think Joker Phillips is the guy for the job. I get they hate Mitch Barnhart. I get the frustration and angst. To each his own. But it seems some people are also letting those feelings completely blind them to having any ability to step back and rationally evaluate what goes on. I have no idea if the offensive line's play was a one-game mirage or what we'll see the rest of the year, but to continue to suggest it wasn't much better than mediocre against Louisville despite all the evidence against that stance, including the direct comments of coaches on both sides, well, is pretty damning about where they stand.

    Furthermore, Jeff Van Note - who knows more about football, specifically offensive line play, than 99.99999999% of the people on this board - says the offensive line was very good then I think we know how they played. And he said exactly that on our radio show last night. He was very impressed.

    Hey Matt, rewatch the game and focus only on our O-line play, and then do the same with Bama, or Georgia, or hell, even Vandy and then tell me if our line looked that good? And for the record, Joker didn't say our line playd well, he said they played as well as any line he'd ever seen. Pretty bold statement if you ask me. That is why I specifically criticized it. If he had said our O-line played pretty well, I wouldn't have even touched it, but he said it was as good as he's ever seen.

    And like it or not, the reason Strong and others complimented it is because they were looking for something poitive to say about us, and pretty much Max, the o-line, and a couple of recievers was the only material they had. I know you know how the media game works.

    Catmando

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