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Football Recruiting: What's left?

  • I'll never understand why people pay money to join a UK fan site just so they can blast the players and coaches and talk about how horrible our football program is. Can't they just go to a free UL message board and read all they stuff they agree with without paying any money. Odd.

    bigcat65

  • If stars determined games then we wouldn't have to play them.

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  • focust1 said...

    It's sad that no matter how much UK improves year in and year out, the football team is still the ugly step-sister on campus! J Drum & other guys who make it their job to evaluate recruiting classes, and give critism where it's needed, say that this incoming class is the most exciting class they've seen! Does that in its own right not make you want to stop and think, "Hmm. Maybe the table is turning and we're finally making some significant progress?" I believe beyond the shadow of a doubt that there are several future NFL players in the '11 recruiting class.

    I don't know about the rest of the fans on this site, but I am sick and tired of reading all of the critism thrown at Joker. All I hear around the office is, "Joker's not the answer. Fire Joker and give the team to someone else. We need a REAL coach to come in and right the ship." Wake up people, we have had a wonderful coaching staff for some time now! These high school kids relate to the staff in place now and absolutely love Coach Phillips. The past seven years has seen the most consistent improvement in UK football ever! Go back and check the record books. We were a couple of plays away from winning the SEC East last year! Also, take a look at how many players Coach Brooks and Coach Phillips are getting to the NFL as compared to previous decades. I'm sure there is absolutely no comparison.

    So, the next time you find yourself feeling as though UK football is not progressing, do a little research and look at how far things have really come. If landing 4 & 5 star guys is the only thing you worry about, take a look at all the college programs, that have been traditional power houses, that are being investigated and punished for decades of cheating. I'm so thankful that we are not one of those programs! I'd rather keep pushing along with these baby steps of evaluating talent and fielding an exciting and competitive team that is getting better year in and year out, than to see us take another huge step back like we did with Mumme and the Air Raid Era.

    Keep up the good work J Drum and crew & GO BIG BLUE (Beat those Toppers)!!!

    I think the majority of us are on the same page here... which makes me feel good. I love what Joker and company is doing and I understand the situation. Love the linemen were getting.

    Too many people say "get a new coach, build buildings, throw more money at it, change this and change that!!!" They are saying that this is what they would do if they were in charge. "Dogone it!"

    Here's the problem. Statistics show that only 20% of the population have the skills required to be leaders the rest are faking it. These folks fake it by having unfounded opinions that are not grounded in reality. They hear someone who is a leader spout off rhetoric with phrases like, "You gotta believe!" "Just do it!" "No excuses accepted!" The problem is that they do not see the difference between rhetoric that is used to motivate and the reality that person uses in making their decisions.

    Not on a stage but in private that same leader would tell you things like... "be reasonable," "know all the information before you make a decision," "understand the human element in life and in business," etc.

    To apply this to UK football. If we go around firing coaches and such people (other coaches and anouncers) will want nothign to do with us. Someone said it best, for us to act this way would be like Auburn and USC fans to expecting their coaches to take John Wall, Eric Bledsoe, and Brandon Knight from us.

    Here's the word of the day: "Perspective." It will make your life better and make that vein on your forehead subside.

    PS-- This was not focused at you focust1, I cited you because I agree.

    This post was edited by flknopp on 9/1/2011 at 9:11 AM

    flknopp

  • just FYI

    according to Rivals. . .

    Langston Newton, Patrick Towles, and Jordan Watson have all received increases in their ranking recently.

    i would expect this to continue with other players in the class this fall.

    Harris, Sweat, and Blaylock cubed for starters.

    when we start having commits downgraded in ranking that is when i will start getting concerned.

    goldenbearcatz

  • MossCat15 said...

    lol, no one said our coaches are gods. You are going from your opinion (extreme), and claiming we are on the other end of it but in actuality, we are in the middle (realistic). You can demand that become SEC champs in one year all you want, but that's just not the way things are done without cheating. Not in this conference. If you are a Debbie downer you will always find negativity, but it is a fact we are getting better players, and accumulating more depth than we have had since I have been watching UK Football. We have been competing with teams that were blowing us out regularly just 5 or 6 years ago. We have been doing so with "inferior" players and really no quality depth, so you tell me, does our coaching staff not deserve credit for that? You act like we are still on Vandy's level or something, but in reality we are trading games with Teams like Miss. State and Georgia, does this not show improvement. Did we not take Auburn to the final seconds and beat a top 10 USC team last year?

    Also, again You point to the one sore spot on our coaching staff and refuse to give Joker any credit for the coaching changes he has made. All he is doing is being fair to Brown (who is an excellent DB coach in his own right, so it's like he's some liability), and I expect that he (Brown) will not be around much longer.

    Look, we are not Alabama and never will be. There will always be negative for you to point to if that's what your looking for. You certainly are entitled to your opinion, even if it does fly in the face of what is actually going on.

    How are we an a middle of the pack SEC team? We finish towards the bottom of the SEC every season. If you really expect UK to keep recruiting like they are, and improve their standing in the SEC, then you are truly fooling yourself. Are we better than we were under probation? Yes. We were under probation. We had no where to go but up. Are we better than we were 5 years ago? Nope. We still finish towards the BOTTOM of the SEC, not the middle. Football is about WINNING games. Not moral victories. In my opinion we're spinning in the mud. We're stuck. If you're happy with being a bottom feeder and going going to medicore bowls then God bless you. I'm not. I want us to take the next step, which is heading towards being a middle of the pack SEC team. I don't expect us to compete for an SEC title, at least not anytime soon. We may not be on Vandy's level, but they're currently out recruiting Kentucky.

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  • bigcat65 said...

    I'll never understand why people pay money to join a UK fan site just so they can blast the players and coaches and talk about how horrible our football program is. Can't they just go to a free UL message board and read all they stuff they agree with without paying any money. Odd.

    Where did I put down any UK player? Point it out. This is called a MESSAGE BOARD, not a cheerleading board where everyone holds hands and sings Kum by ya.

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  • focust1 said...

    It's sad that no matter how much UK improves year in and year out, the football team is still the ugly step-sister on campus! J Drum & other guys who make it their job to evaluate recruiting classes, and give critism where it's needed, say that this incoming class is the most exciting class they've seen! Does that in its own right not make you want to stop and think, "Hmm. Maybe the table is turning and we're finally making some significant progress?" I believe beyond the shadow of a doubt that there are several future NFL players in the '11 recruiting class.

    I don't know about the rest of the fans on this site, but I am sick and tired of reading all of the critism thrown at Joker. All I hear around the office is, "Joker's not the answer. Fire Joker and give the team to someone else. We need a REAL coach to come in and right the ship." Wake up people, we have had a wonderful coaching staff for some time now! These high school kids relate to the staff in place now and absolutely love Coach Phillips. The past seven years has seen the most consistent improvement in UK football ever! Go back and check the record books. We were a couple of plays away from winning the SEC East last year! Also, take a look at how many players Coach Brooks and Coach Phillips are getting to the NFL as compared to previous decades. I'm sure there is absolutely no comparison.

    So, the next time you find yourself feeling as though UK football is not progressing, do a little research and look at how far things have really come. If landing 4 & 5 star guys is the only thing you worry about, take a look at all the college programs, that have been traditional power houses, that are being investigated and punished for decades of cheating. I'm so thankful that we are not one of those programs! I'd rather keep pushing along with these baby steps of evaluating talent and fielding an exciting and competitive team that is getting better year in and year out, than to see us take another huge step back like we did with Mumme and the Air Raid Era.

    Keep up the good work J Drum and crew & GO BIG BLUE (Beat those Toppers)!!!cheers

    Do you really think a UK journalist is going to put down UK or its players? They would lose readers. Of course they're going to praise things UK related.

    Have we improved? Where we finish in the conference says we still are a bottom feeder. That's where we've always been.

    If you or any other posters want to praise everything, and never question the coaches, go right ahead. When UK is still finishing towards the bottom of the SEC 5 years from now don't start crying.

    Also, if you don't like what I say there is an ignore feature on here. Use it!

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  • JayCatz44 said...

    Where did I put down any UK player? Point it out. This is called a MESSAGE BOARD, not a cheerleading board where everyone holds hands and sings Kum by ya.

    Do not fail to recognize that this is the longest stretch of "mediocrity" we've had at UK in football. There has never been a stretch in UK football history where we have been this competitive. Never. Forget probation, even in pre-probation we were winning 1-3 games per year.

    I understand you want to win more. Understandable. So do I. However, this is the wrong program in the wrong conference to expect quick movements. And yes, 5 years is quick. It will take 20 years to build a foundation for a football program say like a... West Virginia or a Va. Tech. But even those programs would not be as successful if they had to play our schedule every year.

    As I've stated before, I have heard other coaches and sports anouncers say that UK football is one of the toughest jobs in the country. I think it is in the top 10 toughest jobs. There are not easy answers and there are no quick fixes. That's reality. That's just the way it is.

    flknopp

  • "We still finish towards the BOTTOM of the SEC, not the middle. Football is about WINNING games."

    We have been finishing near the bottom......call it the "top of the bottom".....or the "top of the bottom third." We used to finish dead last or close to it. It's still a step in the right direction.

    BlueRaider22 ●

  • Here is why I think that you are wrong in thinking that we are stuck in gear and not progressing.

    1. Guys are leaving the team at a higher rate. That can be attributed to more strict, hard nosed coaching as well as an increase in talent. An increase in talent leads to less playing time for those that expected more, thus forcing their hand. We don't have that kind of luxury at every position, but to have it at any is a step in the right direction.

    2. The entire staff has repeatedly said that there isn't a single "miss" in this class. That is huge because there are a lot of big guys that can project to a number of positions. For the coaches to say that without having everyone settled says a little about the talent that we are looking at.

    3. Look at the talent. Marcus Caffey and Josh Clemons are two of the best running backs that we've recruited out of high school. Clemons has come in and made a bigger impact that more highly rated, Brandon Gainer, did the year before. Josh is the real deal. Players like that don't buy into a program unless they believe in what is being sold. To pull two such high quality backs from the state of Georgia is a testament to this program and where it has gone. Glenn Faulkner is a better player out of high school than Winston Guy was and Ashley Lowery is not far behind. The talent is just so much better than it's being given credit for.

    4. You may not like this class because of a lack of "sexy" picks. There are a lot of linemen in this class that are VERY talented. Add another defensive end and call it a wrap. It will be the most impressive class of lineman that we have ever had when we look back a few years from now. Mark it down. That includes the KY boys that came in together (Hines, Ulinksi, Murphy, etc...). The battle is won in the trenches. We've had a hard time building an SEC defensive line and this is a step in the right direction. We have three Kentucky tackles that are motivated and committed to this program. Think Luke McDermott with a lot more talent (sorry, Luke).

    5. As for your solution to throw money here and throw money there; you are like our government. A gentleman's club would love for you to visit. Money is the answer, but we have to be smart with it. We need more involvement and commitment from the fan's before we can start being a little more frivolous. Donations have to rise. Period. But in return, we as fans, need to see some facility plans and feel like we are kept in the loop. We need a competent marketing department. Football is the cash cow of the university. I am like you in that I want to see more investment into the program, but we can't just throw it around. We would be ignoring all of the upgrades that have been made recently that should have been made in the past.

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  • JayCatz44 said...

    Do you really think a UK journalist is going to put down UK or its players? They would lose readers. Of course they're going to praise things UK related.

    Clearly you've never heard of Jerry Tipton. :)

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  • JayCatz44 said...

    Where did I put down any UK player? Point it out. This is called a MESSAGE BOARD, not a cheerleading board where everyone holds hands and sings Kum by ya.

    what exactly do you want changed? who would you bring in as a coach? what would you change as far as facilities? where will you find the money?

    and most importantly...how would this guarantee success in your mind?

    nbtoppers2

  • flknopp said...

    I understand you want to win more. Understandable. So do I. However, this is the wrong program in the wrong conference to expect quick movements. And yes, 5 years is quick. It will take 20 years to build a foundation for a football program say like a... West Virginia or a Va. Tech. But even those programs would not be as successful if they had to play our schedule every year.

    This is a very good point. Progress at UL would be easy to notice because the Big East is terrible. Vanderbilt may be a true barometer to how things in the SEC work. They are recruiting at a high level, but things won't turn in a hurry.

    UK is in a tough situation because we are the northern most SEC team. Kids in the south want to avoid cold weather at all costs. Kid up north want to avoid competition at all costs, so they go to the Big East or Big Ten.

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  • WildcatDawg22 said...

    Here is why I think that you are wrong in thinking that we are stuck in gear and not progressing.

    1. Guys are leaving the team at a higher rate. That can be attributed to more strict, hard nosed coaching as well as an increase in talent. An increase in talent leads to less playing time for those that expected more, thus forcing their hand. We don't have that kind of luxury at every position, but to have it at any is a step in the right direction.

    2. The entire staff has repeatedly said that there isn't a single "miss" in this class. That is huge because there are a lot of big guys that can project to a number of positions. For the coaches to say that without having everyone settled says a little about the talent that we are looking at.

    3. Look at the talent. Marcus Caffey and Josh Clemons are two of the best running backs that we've recruited out of high school. Clemons has come in and made a bigger impact that more highly rated, Brandon Gainer, did the year before. Josh is the real deal. Players like that don't buy into a program unless they believe in what is being sold. To pull two such high quality backs from the state of Georgia is a testament to this program and where it has gone. Glenn Faulkner is a better player out of high school than Winston Guy was and Ashley Lowery is not far behind. The talent is just so much better than it's being given credit for.

    4. You may not like this class because of a lack of "sexy" picks. There are a lot of linemen in this class that are VERY talented. Add another defensive end and call it a wrap. It will be the most impressive class of lineman that we have ever had when we look back a few years from now. Mark it down. That includes the KY boys that came in together (Hines, Ulinksi, Murphy, etc...). The battle is won in the trenches. We've had a hard time building an SEC defensive line and this is a step in the right direction. We have three Kentucky tackles that are motivated and committed to this program. Think Luke McDermott with a lot more talent (sorry, Luke).

    5. As for your solution to throw money here and throw money there; you are like our government. A gentleman's club would love for you to visit. Money is the answer, but we have to be smart with it. We need more involvement and commitment from the fan's before we can start being a little more frivolous. Donations have to rise. Period. But in return, we as fans, need to see some facility plans and feel like we are kept in the loop. We need a competent marketing department. Football is the cash cow of the university. I am like you in that I want to see more investment into the program, but we can't just throw it around. We would be ignoring all of the upgrades that have been made recently that should have been made in the past.

    Boo-yahh!!

    DACats86

  • WildcatDawg22 said...

    Here is why I think that you are wrong in thinking that we are stuck in gear and not progressing.

    1. Guys are leaving the team at a higher rate. That can be attributed to more strict, hard nosed coaching as well as an increase in talent. An increase in talent leads to less playing time for those that expected more, thus forcing their hand. We don't have that kind of luxury at every position, but to have it at any is a step in the right direction.

    2. The entire staff has repeatedly said that there isn't a single "miss" in this class. That is huge because there are a lot of big guys that can project to a number of positions. For the coaches to say that without having everyone settled says a little about the talent that we are looking at.

    3. Look at the talent. Marcus Caffey and Josh Clemons are two of the best running backs that we've recruited out of high school. Clemons has come in and made a bigger impact that more highly rated, Brandon Gainer, did the year before. Josh is the real deal. Players like that don't buy into a program unless they believe in what is being sold. To pull two such high quality backs from the state of Georgia is a testament to this program and where it has gone. Glenn Faulkner is a better player out of high school than Winston Guy was and Ashley Lowery is not far behind. The talent is just so much better than it's being given credit for.

    4. You may not like this class because of a lack of "sexy" picks. There are a lot of linemen in this class that are VERY talented. Add another defensive end and call it a wrap. It will be the most impressive class of lineman that we have ever had when we look back a few years from now. Mark it down. That includes the KY boys that came in together (Hines, Ulinksi, Murphy, etc...). The battle is won in the trenches. We've had a hard time building an SEC defensive line and this is a step in the right direction. We have three Kentucky tackles that are motivated and committed to this program. Think Luke McDermott with a lot more talent (sorry, Luke).

    5. As for your solution to throw money here and throw money there; you are like our government. A gentleman's club would love for you to visit. Money is the answer, but we have to be smart with it. We need more involvement and commitment from the fan's before we can start being a little more frivolous. Donations have to rise. Period. But in return, we as fans, need to see some facility plans and feel like we are kept in the loop. We need a competent marketing department. Football is the cash cow of the university. I am like you in that I want to see more investment into the program, but we can't just throw it around. We would be ignoring all of the upgrades that have been made recently that should have been made in the past.

    this!

    nbtoppers2

  • JayCatz44 said...

    Where did I put down any UK player? Point it out. This is called a MESSAGE BOARD, not a cheerleading board where everyone holds hands and sings Kum by ya.

    Like I said, I'll never know why someone wants to pay money to get is rocks off telling people who don't care we are "bottom feeders"over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over. If you actually had anything worthwhile to say then it would be a discussion. Yours is just an agenda against our current staff and the players you feel aren't worth your support.

    bigcat65

  • WildcatDawg22 said...

    Here is why I think that you are wrong in thinking that we are stuck in gear and not progressing.

    1. Guys are leaving the team at a higher rate. That can be attributed to more strict, hard nosed coaching as well as an increase in talent. An increase in talent leads to less playing time for those that expected more, thus forcing their hand. We don't have that kind of luxury at every position, but to have it at any is a step in the right direction.

    2. The entire staff has repeatedly said that there isn't a single "miss" in this class. That is huge because there are a lot of big guys that can project to a number of positions. For the coaches to say that without having everyone settled says a little about the talent that we are looking at.

    3. Look at the talent. Marcus Caffey and Josh Clemons are two of the best running backs that we've recruited out of high school. Clemons has come in and made a bigger impact that more highly rated, Brandon Gainer, did the year before. Josh is the real deal. Players like that don't buy into a program unless they believe in what is being sold. To pull two such high quality backs from the state of Georgia is a testament to this program and where it has gone. Glenn Faulkner is a better player out of high school than Winston Guy was and Ashley Lowery is not far behind. The talent is just so much better than it's being given credit for.

    4. You may not like this class because of a lack of "sexy" picks. There are a lot of linemen in this class that are VERY talented. Add another defensive end and call it a wrap. It will be the most impressive class of lineman that we have ever had when we look back a few years from now. Mark it down. That includes the KY boys that came in together (Hines, Ulinksi, Murphy, etc...). The battle is won in the trenches. We've had a hard time building an SEC defensive line and this is a step in the right direction. We have three Kentucky tackles that are motivated and committed to this program. Think Luke McDermott with a lot more talent (sorry, Luke).

    5. As for your solution to throw money here and throw money there; you are like our government. A gentleman's club would love for you to visit. Money is the answer, but we have to be smart with it. We need more involvement and commitment from the fan's before we can start being a little more frivolous. Donations have to rise. Period. But in return, we as fans, need to see some facility plans and feel like we are kept in the loop. We need a competent marketing department. Football is the cash cow of the university. I am like you in that I want to see more investment into the program, but we can't just throw it around. We would be ignoring all of the upgrades that have been made recently that should have been made in the past.

    1. It could be for many different reasons. I'm not saying we haven't improved since probation. We have. However, the same kids that are leaving are players that were miss evaluated and offered a scholarship to UK. So Joker does miss on players, but some will never acknowledge that.

    2. I wasn't referring to last years class. I even said that class was a step in the right direction. However, I feel this years class isn't on par with last seasons. In order for UK to improve, they need to keep building on each recruiting class whether it's a slight increase or not. We can't afford to drop back, at least not in this league. How many guys do we have committed that have offers from football schools like Michigan or Alabama? None and we're almost full. Don't say we can't get kids with those type of offers because we did it last season.

    3. Refer to two ^

    4. The 2012 class isn't impressive. If we end up having a top 50 class I'll certainly be surprised. The O-Line commits don't impress me. The majority of them either have no other offers, or offers from MAC schools. That isn't impressive. I actually like a few of the D-Linemen, but two are certainly long-shots to qualify. So that will certainly deplete the class a bit.

    5. I never said money needs to be just thrown around. I agree with you. It needs to be used efficiently. I'm tired of football getting practically nothing from the administration. UK football needs a face lift. The administration needs to work towards making upgrades. .Joker needs to work on marketing, selling, and promoting the UK brand. I really think Calipari could help him with that. Our Spring game and fan day was poorly promoted, and had awful attendance.

    Honestly, I want UK football to succeed at the highest level. We as fans can't just sit back and be happy with being medicore. I was never taught to accept a losers mentality. I inherited that from my dad, a former Buckeye turned Wildcat who loved playing the game of football in Lexington. .

    This post was edited by JayCatz44 on 9/1/2011 at 1:25 PM

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  • bigcat65 said...

    Like I said, I'll never know why someone wants to pay money to get is rocks off telling people who don't care we are "bottom feeders"over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over. If you actually had anything worthwhile to say then it would be a discussion. Yours is just an agenda against our current staff and the players you feel aren't worth your support.

    Don't attack me because you don't agree. You don't know me, and to question someone as a fan because they have a different opinion than yours shows how immature you really are. Grow up. I'm not ripping Joker. I'm not calling for his head or any of that nonsense. If you don't like what I have to say then use the ignore feature.

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  • WildcatDawg22 said...

    Clearly you've never heard of Jerry Tipton. :)

    I was referring to the writers on this site, who relies on paid memberships to help pay its bills. Not that idiot Tipton.

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  • JayCatz44 said...

    How are we an a middle of the pack SEC team? We finish towards the bottom of the SEC every season. If you really expect UK to keep recruiting like they are, and improve their standing in the SEC, then you are truly fooling yourself. Are we better than we were under probation? Yes. We were under probation. We had no where to go but up. Are we better than we were 5 years ago? Nope. We still finish towards the BOTTOM of the SEC, not the middle. Football is about WINNING games. Not moral victories. In my opinion we're spinning in the mud. We're stuck. If you're happy with being a bottom feeder and going going to medicore bowls then God bless you. I'm not. I want us to take the next step, which is heading towards being a middle of the pack SEC team. I don't expect us to compete for an SEC title, at least not anytime soon. We may not be on Vandy's level, but they're currently out recruiting Kentucky.

    Guy, why don't you try actually reading the posts we are putting out. Nowhere did I say we were a middle pack SEC team, yet. I think we are close and for proof I provided the FACT that we are trading games with teams that are in the middle of the pack and occasionally beating great teams. My point was that we have been doing that with zero depth, and that is what has kept us fro. Getting over the hump. We now are at a level that we have the best depth I have seen since watching UK football, and I have been watching muc longer than 5 years buddy.

    You seem lime someone who wants immediate gratification and that is not the way program's are built, especially in a league like the one we play in without the fertile hotbed of players to pick from in our state. Everyone is telling you the same thing in different ways and you are just refusing to look at reality I guess.

    MossCat15

  • MossCat15 said...

    Guy, why don't you try actually reading the posts we are putting out. Nowhere did I say we were a middle pack SEC team, yet. I think we are close and for proof I provided the FACT that we are trading games with teams that are in the middle of the pack and occasionally beating great teams. My point was that we have been doing that with zero depth, and that is what has kept us fro. Getting over the hump. We now are at a level that we have the best depth I have seen since watching UK football, and I have been watching muc longer than 5 years buddy.

    You seem lime someone who wants immediate gratification and that is not the way program's are built, especially in a league like the one we play in without the fertile hotbed of players to pick from in our state. Everyone is telling you the same thing in different ways and you are just refusing to look at reality I guess.

    Honestly, we're just going to have to agree to disagree. We are still finishing towards the bottom of the SEC, but no one acknowledges that. They are stuck on moral victories. I'm glad you're all happy with where the program is. That's great! I'm serious. I want more for the program than that. That's just how I feel. Until I see us winning more than two or the occasional three games in the SEC on a consistent basis, I will continue to believe UK is stuck spinning in the mud.

    This post was edited by JayCatz44 on 9/1/2011 at 1:52 PM

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  • Ok, so let me make sure I get this straight, we all have a losers mentality because we understand that it takes time to build a program and it won't happen overnight. We tried to explain this to you, and provided you with evidence as to how we have improved, and you respond by talking about the mentality your pops instilled in you?? Who is stuck on morale victories? I already told you that we have been trading games with Georgia and Miss. the last few years. Yes we need to win more games, but that all comes back to the depth issue we had which I commented on earlier.

    None of us are happy with where we are at man, no one has said so, but we are telling you we are closer to making noise than we have ever been. We are doing it the right way, and we still have a long way to go. This is the way is HAS to be done at UK. This is not Alabama or some other state with the demographics to be able to pluck 4 star recruits out of nowhere.

    Your wrong about this class. Scout has us at 33 right now, and that's with a lot of our prospects being severely underrated and none of them have played their senior year yet so calm down. People that do this stuff for a living are saying this class is better than last years, so that should be good enough for you, in fact I have to know, what are basing your opinion of this class on anyway? You definitely have not even seen anything but pictures and a few youtube highlights of these kids, so please explain to us how you formed such an opinion?

    This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by MossCat15 on 9/1/2011 at 2:04 PM

    MossCat15

  • "Honestly, I want UK football to succeed at the highest level. We as fans can't just sit back and be happy with being medicore. I was never taught to accept a losers mentality."

    No one on here has a losers mentality. No one is happy with mediocrity. Most of us recognize that we have improved and are happy with the progression. Ask any fan/coach/player and they will want more, but don't deny anyone for patting themselves on the back for doing better. It's hard.....flat out tough to accomplish what we've accomplished.....greater recruiting classes, better wins, winning seasons, at a basketball school with zero football tradition.

    You did say that we've improved following probation, but then you followed that up with that we are no better ("spinning our wheels") than we've been over the last 10 yrs. So it sounds like your only saying that we improved to the point where we've been the last 50 yrs.....ie not improved.

    BlueRaider22 ●

  • JayCatz44 said...

    Do you really think a UK journalist is going to put down UK or its players? They would lose readers. Of course they're going to praise things UK related.

    When people ask my opinion here, they've always received a straight answer, even when it didn't reflect on UK in the best way. Heck, I've lost subscribers over the years for holding contrary opinions.

    For you to come on here and suggest that I'm some sort of cheerleader handing out the Kool-Aid is ridiculous and couldn't be further from the truth.

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