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    tWhit

  • HEY JUST MY POINT OF VIEW. HOW MANY, YES HOW MANY PLAYERS ARE IN THE NBA WHO HAVE THE ABILITY TO GET BETTER, MOST. MKG NEEDS ANOTHER YR OR TWO. JUST LIKE JONES DID. aND HOW GOOD WAS HE LAST YR. HOW ABOUT PATRICK PATERSON OR JODIE MEEKS. YES THEY ARE DOING OK. BUT THEY CAN SHOOT FOR THERE POSITIONS. MKG CAN'T.

    dvillepro1

  • And now your yelling again.

    tWhit

  • dvillepro1 said...

    MKG is Not a complete player, Not even close. He has a horrid jump shot, in the NBA he would be lost.
    I am sorry but if you can't score in the NBA what can you offer a team who has players who can score and score off the dribble. MKG can't.

    Well guy I guess the scouts share our blue tinted glasses because all of them have him going in the lottery....all of them. So how does someone who will be "lost" in the NBA become a lottery pick???

    You must not watch many NBA games. If anything it is much more conducive to his game than college. The main thing is there is hardly any zone, as that is what he struggles with currently the most (as does every other freshman). More spacing due to a larger floor and people that can't be left alone means if you can beat your man, you can make a living. Also, since there is so much more open space, people that hustle stand out that much more. He won't see defenses sagging into the paint because that doesn't happen due to every team having shooters.

    Jeff, 6'6" doesn't matter. Lebron James had a questionable j, Rondo still has a questionable j (lol), as does Wall. rose only recently started hitting his outside shot, but they all were prototypical players at their prospective positions and all possessed everything that can't be taught (and then some). Another thing about Gilchrist is that he can already guard 3 positions (most nights), and after a couple of years, may be able to guard 4. He's versatile, you can plug him into the wing from day one and he will be a productive player. The J won't take long for someone with his work ethic.

    This post was edited by MossCat15 on 2/19/2012 at 5:09 AM

    MossCat15

  • MossCat15 said...

    Well guy I guess the scouts share our blue tinted glasses because all of them have him going in the lottery....all of them. So how does someone who will be "lost" in the NBA become a lottery pick???

    You must not watch many NBA games. If anything it is much more conducive to his game than college. The main thing is there is hardly any zone, as that is what he struggles with currently the most (as does every other freshman). More spacing due to a larger floor and people that can't be left alone means if you can beat your man, you can make a living. Also, since there is so much more open space, people that hustle stand out that much more. He won't see defenses sagging into the paint because that doesn't happen due to every team having shooters.

    Jeff, 6'6" doesn't matter. Lebron James had a questionable j, Rondo still has a questionable j (lol), as does Wall. rose only recently started hitting his outside shot, but they all were prototypical players at their prospective positions and all possessed everything that can't be taught (and then some). Another thing about Gilchrist is that he can already guard 3 positions (most nights), and after a couple of years, may be able to guard 4. He's versatile, you can plug him into the wing from day one and he will be a productive player. The J won't take long for someone with his work ethic.

    I need to just save myself a lot of anguish and agree with you then shut up. lol.

    tWhit

  • I am with Jeff and Kenny on this one. I think you have seen MKG's effectiveness drop when teams figure out how to play him. He struggles agaist a zone. I think he can shoot but he lacks confidence in his shot. He reminds me of Liggins in that regard. He could blow up over the last 10 games of the year and go high but I think he would probably benefit from another year. What these "guru's" think at this point is not that important. What is important is what the NBA GM's think and Cal is going to know that.

    zcats

  • All of you guys are missing the point completely. Where he is drafted has absolutely nothing to do with how "ready" he is. It has everything to do with how high his ceiling is.

    Current MKG projections:
    ESPN- 5
    NBADraft.net- 7
    Draft Express- 3

    I'm sure there are other reputable mock drafts out there, but if you really think that MKG will fall beyond #8 (regardless of how "ready" you think he is) you are smoking something illegal. crackwhip

    BlueGhost ●

  • BlueGhost said...

    All of you guys are missing the point completely. Where he is drafted has absolutely nothing to do with how "ready" he is. It has everything to do with how high his ceiling is.

    Current MKG projections: ESPN- 5 NBADraft.net- 7 Draft Express- 3

    I'm sure there are other reputable mock drafts out there, but if you really think that MKG will fall beyond #8 (regardless of how "ready" you think he is) you are smoking something illegal. crackwhip

    OK so he goes pro with the 2nd pick hell thefirst pick. And beyond most of you who think you can just find a jump shot ???? he is lost and in three yrs he is working at wendys. With no where even close a degree. Then what, all of you will be on to the next player who should go pro.
    A JUMP SHOT IS NOT AND WILL NOT BE JUST SOMETHING YOU FIND OVER NIGHT. I DON'T CARE HOW HARD YOU WORK ON IT, EITHER YOU HAVE IT OR YOU DON'T.
    MKG would benefit with little chance of hurting him self, from playing a 2nd yr of coll ball.banghead

    This post was edited by dvillepro1 on 2/19/2012 at 7:18 PM

    dvillepro1

  • One more thing to add to this....Corey Brewer.

    Some of you are comparing Gilchrist to Liggins, and while I love Liggins as a player, his ceiling is no where near Gilchrist's. His athleticism and overall bounce falls well short, as well as his speed (hence the reason for difference in draft projections). Both are good perimeter defenders and do have a similar build (long arms) but that's where it ends.

    Back to Corey Brewer, he is someone who was drafted at 7 with a very, very suspect jumper. He is a much more similar player to Gilchrist than Liggins IMO, but I believe Gilchrist has a higher ceiling due to his rebounding and defense as a FRESHMAN. Both have great speed, and above average (although not crazy elite) athleticism. Both finish well around the basket and excel in transition (anyone watching the Nuggets play right now?), but I do believe Gilchrist will be bigger (is an inch taller and maybe heavier already I think?) and have more impact in the paint on both ends of the floor.

    This post was edited by MossCat15 on 2/19/2012 at 7:47 PM

    MossCat15

  • http://espn.go.com/nba/lottery2012/mockdraft

    Chad Ford puts him at 4 today...

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    BG631

  • The recent new projections have him as high as 3 and as low as 5 from the two I've seen. And he's somehow supposed to drop out of the top 10. Not likely.

    tWhit

  • Brandon Knight was top five in those all along, too. And he could shoot.

    Wait and see.

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    Jeff Drummond

  • Jeff Drummond said...

    Brandon Knight was top five in those all along, too. And he could shoot.

    Wait and see.

    Yea and he only dropped to eighth, as a combo guard/tweener without crazy athleticism. I thought we were talking about Gilchrist dropping out of the top 10 and even into the late lottery here, not to the 8th pick? I still don't think he'll drop even that far though.

    I'll say it again, Corey Brewer on steroids!

    This post was edited by MossCat15 on 2/21/2012 at 3:27 PM

    MossCat15

  • MossCat15 said...

    Yea and he only dropped to eighth, as a combo guard/tweener without crazy athleticism. I thought we were talking about Gilchrist dropping out of the top 10 and even into the late lottery here, not to the 8th pick? I still don't think he'll drop even that far though.

    The example is he was a guy with a great jumper, and even he slid.

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  • ukaveman said...

    It's amazing how if someone provides an analysis UK fans don't agree w/they are automatically "idiots". Let's face it, MKG has some holes in his game that prevent him from being a lottery pick, namely a consistent jump shot. I love him as much as the next guy but to NOT recognize that a 6'7" NBA player w/a suspect jump shot will have problems at the next level is to deny reality.

    Same goes for Teague. A very suspect outside game and while he's made strides running the team, the last PG UK sent to the league w/a suspect outside game has struggled at times and I don't think ANYBODY would feel that Teague is greater than Wall at this stage of their careers.

    I got it, the NBA drafts on potential. The potential for both these guys is TREMENDOUS but to be a lotto pick, you have to be able to produce NOW and in a major way. I don't see either fitting that bill for an NBA team just yet. I've honestly felt that both MKG and Teague would greatly benefit w/one more year in college to shore up some of their shortcomings BUT I just don't think either will return.

    You're exactly right. The only idiots on here are the one's that speak with their heart and not their head. I think MKG will got between 10-15. His outside shot is suspect, which could get better by season's end, but, at 6'6' or 6'7', he won't get many shots inside in the NBA. So, his outside shot has to get better to be a high draft pick. I don't care how good his motor is or how good his defense is. Look at Liggins. He hardly sees the floor and he has a good motor and was a great defensive player coming out of college and was a pretty good shooter. Some people on here don't want to face reality. MKG's stock could go up, but, he needs to start showing he can shoot.

    This post was edited by ukblueforever on 2/21/2012 at 3:58 PM

    ukblueforever

  • ukblueforever said...

    You're exactly right. The only idiots on here are the one's that speak with their heart and not their head. I think MKG will got between 10-15. His outside shot is suspect, which could get better by season's end, but, at 6'6' or 6'7', he won't get many shots inside in the NBA. So, his outside shot has to get better to be a high draft pick. I don't care how good his motor is or how good his defense is. Look at Liggins. He hardly sees the floor and he has a good motor and was a great defensive player coming out of college and was a pretty good shooter. Some people on here don't want to face reality. MKG's stock could go up, but, he needs to start showing he can shoot.

    DE JA VU!headslap

    tWhit

  • Jeff Drummond said...

    The example is he was a guy with a great jumper, and even he slid.

    Three spots doesn't really count as a "slide". crackwhip

    It's not like Knight fell 10 spots.

    Addendum: I also think that a lot of you guys put entirely too much weight on an extra year of college ball. I would argue that playing in the NBA will do much, much more to get someone "ready" for the league than playing a light SEC schedule. And those that don't make it in those conditions? They probably wouldn't have made it anyway. In the NBA there aren't restrictions on practice time and there aren't other requirements, like classes, to get in the way.

    This post was edited by BlueGhost on 2/21/2012 at 5:09 PM

    BlueGhost ●

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