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Here are the Penn St. Sanctions...

  • Damn. They might as well drop to NAIA. Penn State just became an afterthought. That said - let's hope we can get one or two of their players.

    Keep Calm & Stoops On..

    _Mike_ ●

  • TKE_ said...

    I think a one year death penalty, or even two, would have been easier on the other athletic programs.

    It's hard to say how bad a death penalty would be for Penn State. The only comparison we have is SMU, and it effectively did kill the program--it's been 25 years and it's nowhere close to the level they were at. Think of how many track and volleyball scholarships have not been funded there over that period of time.

    Penn State would fare much better, I think, but it's just impossible to say how long they'd wander in the wilderness before becoming competitive again.

    djkycat54906

  • dj-ky-cat said...

    It's hard to say how bad a death penalty would be for Penn State. The only comparison we have is SMU, and it effectively did kill the program--it's been 25 years and it's nowhere close to the level they were at. Think of how many track and volleyball scholarships have not been funded there over that period of time.

    Penn State would fare much better, I think, but it's just impossible to say how long they'd wander in the wilderness before becoming competitive again.

    The only reason it "killed" SMU is because they weren't able to cheat any more. They were a program founded on cheating and that was the soul of their existence. So, in essence, they are where they should be. PSU had a great program before, was never known for cheating and will be fine. Now Miami is a different story....

    BlueGhost

  • dj-ky-cat said...

    It's hard to say how bad a death penalty would be for Penn State. The only comparison we have is SMU, and it effectively did kill the program--it's been 25 years and it's nowhere close to the level they were at. Think of how many track and volleyball scholarships have not been funded there over that period of time.

    Penn State would fare much better, I think, but it's just impossible to say how long they'd wander in the wilderness before becoming competitive again.

    One would think that a program the level that Penn St. has been maybe 8-10 years but who knows. I do believe that eventually they will make their way back...too much support around that program not to imo

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    tommy

  • tommy said...

    One would think that a program the level that Penn St. has been maybe 8-10 years but who knows. I do believe that eventually they will make their way back...too much support around that program not to imo

    I think so too.

    But then again, if you're a kid listening to all this--pre-high school or so, and you and your peers are never going to see the glory days or have that real good feeling about Paterno--in fact you'll have just the opposite. Regardless of sanctions, I think they might have a couple of bad years then get worse as talent dwindles.

    Maybe somebody starts to win against the odds or they bring in an alumnus who works a miracle, but I wonder if they'll ever be elite again. (actually, my personal definition of an elite program is one that's gone through at least one coaching change and remained near the top, so perhaps PSU was never elite).

    djkycat54906

  • ukaveman said...

    Hadn't heard that PSU signed off but if they did, then that answers the due process part of my question. Again, in the end they probably got what they deserved and I'm not shedding a tear over this. Just a bit curious as to PSU options since this really was an unprecedented action by the NCAA.

    Emmert said it in his address this morning. The findings/sanctions he presented were in the form of a "Consent Document" that has already been signed off on by Penn State. There will be no appeals, etc. They agreed to the penalties and waived any right to recourse.

    Apparently, the NCAA leverage the Freeh report heavily, which since it was commissioned by PSU, and they accepted the findings in their entirety, there was no grounds for them to in any way disagree. He also said that the Executive Committee of the NCAA and the Division I Board all were unanimous about this. It was swift and decisive, but this was no back-room deal--Emmert for once conducted this with seemingly total transparency to the affected parties.

    BigBlueNation 7

  • Now here here is the next logical question. Does everybody here trust the NCAA NOT to use this precedent of action in the future given the NCAA's penchant for irregular decision making. That's probably the only issue I have in basically giving Emmert defacto powers like Goodell or Stern. In short, I don't trust the NCAA and regardless of whether they got this right or not, there is now an opportunity for them to act in this fashion in the future as precedent has been established. Thoughts??

    ukaveman ●

  • ukaveman said...

    Now here here is the next logical question. Does everybody here trust the NCAA NOT to use this precedent of action in the future given the NCAA's penchant for irregular decision making. That's probably the only issue I have in basically giving Emmert defacto powers like Goodell or Stern. In short, I don't trust the NCAA and regardless of whether they got this right or not, there is now an opportunity for them to act in this fashion in the future as precedent has been established. Thoughts??

    It does leave me a little uncomfortable, but you have to consider the entire situation. If this is the precedent that is set for allowing child rape going unchecked in your program for over a decade for something as relatively trivial as wins in a game, then I have no problems with it.

    MossCat15

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