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I'll never attend another game or give money to the K Fund

  • as long as Joker is Head Coach!

    pdsimpson73

  • Unfortunately, it will take another 2-3 years of this kind of on the field GARBAGE before we can even sniff at a new coach....and by then the program will be so destroyed no one will want the job!

    docjmrmd

  • I donate 3,500 a year minus football tickets. I will not give another dime as long as joker is head coach! I love him for being a UK grad and the fact he loves UK but he sucks as a coach! Absolutely sucks!

    pdsimpson73

  • docjmrmd said...

    Unfortunately, it will take another 2-3 years of this kind of on the field GARBAGE before we can even sniff at a new coach....and by then the program will be so destroyed no one will want the job!

    I said this in an earlier thread. Agree. He will at least get anohter year.

    flknopp

  • flknopp said...

    I said this in an earlier thread. Agree. He will at least get anohter year.

    I would bet the farm he gets at least one more.

    I can only hope he decides, or someone forces his hand, to fire R. Sanders and hire somebody impressive.

    Joker should be the lowest paid HC in CFB. He wont be stolen away. Use the money to bring in a dynamic OC.

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  • flknopp said...

    I said this in an earlier thread. Agree. He will at least get anohter year.

    There are going to be tens of thousands of empty seats here on out. That is the death knell for a coach or an athletic director that doesn't take action to correct it.

    olblue

  • Will be interesting to see what the stadium looks like the remainder of the year. If the Oct games are cool/cold and conflict with Keeneland it won't be very good, especially with the teams on the schedule. The UF and UT games have been well attended in the past because of the opponent. If UT season progressives in a positive manner and UK continues to slide, the stadium could have 2 colors....aluminum and orange.

    bruce122767

  • It seems to me that the tickets for 2011 have already been sold where there are butts in the seats at the games or not. I am not sure, but I believe UK will find willing buyers for the 2012 season ticket packages too. The SEC football gravy train will keep running and dropping money bags off at Mitch's door whether UK wins a single game in any year, the SEC is making sure of that.

    UK has been and is only interested in that SEC Gravy train, and is completely content to be the door mat for the rest of the real football schools. It does seem that Vandy has figured something out about how to at least play a nice brand of football.

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    TheProfessor

  • To me, no one player or coach (even Cal) is no where close to being as big as the program. I will continue to donate, buy season tix, attend the games and cheer my heart out. I am a passionate supporter of the program, not a coach, not a player, not an AD (which IMO Mitchbis simply the best we have ever had...period and cares so much about building this program for if anything else...his legacy.

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    tommy

  • tommy said...

    To me, no one player or coach (even Cal) is no where close to being as big as the program. I will continue to donate, buy season tix, attend the games and cheer my heart out. I am a passionate supporter of the program, not a coach, not a player, not an AD (which IMO Mitchbis simply the best we have ever had...period and cares so much about building this program for if anything else...his legacy.

    Tommy,

    Is Brooks the best coach we have ever had? [over the last 40 years]

    If Mitch is the best AD we have ever had, what exactly does that mean when viewed in context of AD's at Florida, LSU, Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee, Louisville!!!!

    Fact is that the UK Football program is not getting there with the coaches and AD that we have. Perhaps Mitch's hands are tied by the UKAA? Possible? Just a thought!

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    TheProfessor

  • I will say this about Mitch, I did not know what in the world he was doing when he hired Brooks. That turned out to be a fantastic decision. Kudos to him.

    What scares me are these hires: BCG, Joker, and his failure to hire Cal the first time around.

    I have no idea, I have no inside information. But, those that do have said that Mitch was against hiring Cal the first time around. If so, I think that is foolish.

    Equally foolish in my opinion was his decision to hire Joker without doing any type of a search to gauge interest or anything of that matter. At that point, Joker had been an OC for a small number of years and would not have been on the coaching boards of any other BCS team. But, that is just my opinion.

    Hopefully, he proves me wrong as he did with Brooks. Lord knows I would rather be wrong and UK win all or most of its games!

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  • I'll continue to support the program and Joker. That'll never fail. The program is bigger than any coach. It's still way too early to toss Joker under the bus. Yes, the team is struggling and has a ton of issues but let's not throw the baby out with the bath water just yet.

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    cobbycobb

  • "The SEC football gravy train will keep running and dropping money bags off at Mitch's door whether UK wins a single game in any year, the SEC is making sure of that."

    "UK has been and is only interested in that SEC Gravy train, and is completely content to be the door mat for the rest of the real football schools. It does seem that Vandy has figured something out about how to at least play a nice brand of football."

    Bingo. I just don't understand why this particular fanbase has such a difficult time seeing and understanding this. As long as the SEC and ESPN money keeps rolling in along with consistent season ticket sales, what is the real incentive for UK to go balls out to try to make UK a winner? There isn't one. It's never going to change under the current administration IMO.

    MinterWonderlnd

  • Matt May said...

    So Vandy has two nice games and all the sudden it is being used as something to further unhappiness with UK's administration? That's ridiculous. Hal Mumme played a 'nice brand of football' and you saw how long that lasted and what ultimately happened. A lot of coaches have had a few nice games and then reality sets in.

    The fact of the matter is the people who don't like Barnhart won't ever like Barnhart. It will always be something. First it's he won't put money into football, then he does and it becomes, well, he doesn't care because he didn't do more. Nothing will ever be good enough for the part of the fan base that thinks Kentucky ought to be competing for the SEC crown every year. No amount of money is suddenly going to change that.

    I just wonder if the ones who constantly complain that he doesn't care about football or won't put anything into it have actually ever spent any real time talking to the man. Because if you did, you'd know that's about the most inaccurate thing out there. Just because it's not as easy as people on the outside seem to think or want it to be doesn't mean they don't care and don't WANT to be consistently good.

    Exactly!

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    cobbycobb

  • Matt May said...

    Or maybe the reality is no matter how much money they throw into it UK just isn't going to be a winner on the level some think it ought to be?

    If so, that is just deflating and more depressing then I can take. I don't see how UK can't become a winner in ANY situation. I certainly hope that isn't the case.

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  • Matt May said...

    So Vandy has two nice games and all the sudden it is being used as something to further unhappiness with UK's administration? That's ridiculous. Hal Mumme played a 'nice brand of football' and you saw how long that lasted and what ultimately happened. A lot of coaches have had a few nice games and then reality sets in.

    The fact of the matter is the people who don't like Barnhart won't ever like Barnhart. It will always be something. First it's he won't put money into football, then he does and it becomes, well, he doesn't care because he didn't do more. Nothing will ever be good enough for the part of the fan base that thinks Kentucky ought to be competing for the SEC crown every year. No amount of money is suddenly going to change that.

    I just wonder if the ones who constantly complain that he doesn't care about football or won't put anything into it have actually ever spent any real time talking to the man. Because if you did, you'd know that's about the most inaccurate thing out there. Just because it's not as easy as people on the outside seem to think or want it to be doesn't mean they don't care and don't WANT to be consistently good.

    Matt while I understand what your saying about Mitch I disagree with UK not being able to compete. There is no reason at all UK can't compete in football on a high level. Hell if Boise St., Oregon, TCU, etc... so can UK. UK always finishes in the top 25 in attendance every year so the support is there from the fans. The facilities are getting better each year. Yes they need a recruiting room and it will come someday.

    As for Joker, I have always supported him and Brooks as well, when others did not. But, for some reason this team is not clicking with Joker right now. There is something going on behind the scenes we do not know about. This team has way to much talent to be playing like they are right now. Maybe it will change amybe not. If it's the latter then UK needs to hire a big name coach who recruits will want to play for and boosters will want to back.

    If Joker don't turn it around I say go after Rich Rod.

    footballcat65

  • Matt May said...

    But TCU, Boise and Oregon are different situations. They don't recruits against Alabama, LSU, Florida, Auburn, Georgia, Tennessee, Arkansas, South Carolina, etc., etc. just inside their own conference. Oregon fights USC but that's about it from a consistently elite standpoint. Boise's conference brethren are terrible. TCU is the same way. I think we would all agree it's easier to build when you don't have to beat your head against 8 of those type teams each and every week, and on the recruiting trail.

    I understand that but if you win you can take advantage of playing in the SEC. Winning can cure a lot of ill's. Then you start winning recruiting battles against the others teams in the conference. Joker and company have upgraded recruiting but haven't done much with it, especially this year. There's talent on this team. Enough to blow out the first three opponents IMO. I just don't understand what's going on?

    footballcat65

  • There is a disconnect with this team and the coaches, looking at it without the benefit of insider knowledge. The team seems to have little or no motivation and the uninspired play shows on the field. To this point it appears that Joker's operation win is in near full retreat. The answers from the coaches are "I don't know"! Mitch may have a passion for football,but we are gonna have to find away to tap the bank and find a coach who can put this thing back together before it wholly implodes. If joker and company can do it I'm all for it, but to this point the warm fuzzies are gone and stark reality is not a pretty sight at this point.

    bigsam2

  • bigsam2 said...

    There is a disconnect with this team and the coaches, looking at it without the benefit of insider knowledge. The team seems to have little or no motivation and the uninspired play shows on the field. To this point it appears that Joker's operation win is in near full retreat. The answers from the coaches are "I don't know"! Mitch may have a passion for football,but we are gonna have to find away to tap the bank and find a coach who can put this thing back together before it wholly implodes. If joker and company can do it I'm all for it, but to this point the warm fuzzies are gone and stark reality is not a pretty sight at this point.

    I really have no inside source myself but a couple of people who claim to said Jokers demeanor changed when he became head coach. He went from being a players coach when he was the OC to a drill seargent. Don't know if it's true or not but something is going on?

    This post was edited by footballcat65 on 9/18/2011 at 1:25 PM

    footballcat65

  • Obvisouly I was pretty upset last night when I posted this. As I read subsequent Posts, I see where issues you with Mitch is being brought up. To make it clear, I have absolutely no problem with Mitch, I think he is a great AD. However, In regards to Joker and the Staff I believe He is in WAY over his head. I do believe this past years recruiting Class is a good one. But at Kentucky, you will alway have to out Coach the other Team. Now, you have to have experienced Talent. That's why under Rich, you would see one unit much futher along than the other. As our players mature into Juniors and Seniors they would "Top Out" at their potential and you knew going into a game if close, the Team would be put in the right position to win. Under this staff, I honeslty don't believe it will ever happen. The bad thing about it, I've never wanted someone to be more succesfful than Joker. Unfortunately, he is not ready to be a Head Coach and Unfortunately, he will drive UK into a 2 or 3 win Team. IMHO, we have enought talent to be 3 and 0 and steal one game out of the next 3. However, we will be lucky to win another game for the rest of the year.

    pdsimpson73

  • Folks using Vandy as an example to vent are in for a very rude awakening the next three Saturdays.

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  • Matt May said...

    I'm not saying absolutely, but I think people need to consider that reality. No reason UK can't be a 7-win team most years and maybe have a 9-win season every so often but I think it's just as likely no matter what UK does it isn't going to be an elite program than it is they can be.

    To have a good season at Bama, you have to win 10 or 11 games, and have a chance to play for the Sec or National Championship. I conceed that a good year at Kentucky, should be winning 7 games with a chance to steal a couple more for a 9 win season. Is it too much for either Fan Base to expect this performance every year? Being a UA Alumn and UK fan, I don't think so. UK should win 7 games every year. Heck, 4 games is gift wrapped for them. Unfortunately, this Staff &Team has barely won 2 of the 4 gift wrapped games and lost 1 of the 4. So now I'm hoping we can beat Jax State!

    I'm not sure how this has happened, but this is the worst coached Team I've seen a UK in years!

    pdsimpson73

  • For years I've defended UK football under the understanding that we play in the SEC and its hard to win vs the LSU's, UF's and Bama's of the world.

    But lets be real. IF the UKAA and MB really wanted to they could go out and hire a coach with the clout to build UK into a FB power. People can not say we don't have the money because we do.

    But BB is king at UK. Hell two years of BCG and he was fired and then we pony up huge money to bring Cal in. Look what he's done in two short years.

    If UKAA & MB really wants UK to be a FB power they should go to Urban Meyer with a blank check and tell him to fill in the amount. Or Peterson from BSU, but you get the point.

    UK could do it but they won't.

    I feel bad for Joker in all this. The crowds at CWS will get smaller and smaller this season and if we only win 2-4 games this year it will be tough for MB to keep the fans & UK alumni happy. Something tells me that if the crowds do get alot smaller and we only win another game or two, Joker may resign at the end of this season. Laugh all you want but I wouldn't be shocked. I wouldn't be happy, but I wouldn't be shocked.

    I'm still on the CJP bus and I feel that he can still do good things here. But with the media and fans acting out the way they have the this year and most of last season, I just see it as a no win situation from here on out.

    Oh well it is what is! smh

    Whitaker568

  • I agree with the Joker resigning part. He loves UK to much to let go downhill from here. Hopefully he changes something and rights the ship!

    footballcat65

  • I support Mitch and have in the past supported Joker. I believe giving Joker a chance was the right decision, but with him taking over with the program in the best shape it has been in in years he should be moving forward not regressing. It is obvious that is ot what is happening. The team performance has been going down since the beginning of last season and it will be hard to show improvement through the rest of the season. That being said there is no way Joker will be forced out before the end of the 2012 season;

    blueboy