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Interesting article about Vandy and SEC football recruiting.

  • Jeff Drummond said...

    National champion Auburn needed a FG with :00 left to beat Joker's Cats two years ago. UGA barely escaped with a win last year. Yet everyone says Joker is Dead Coach Walking. Nope, not giving Franklin a pass. Just win or shut up. That's what UK fans have told their coaches for years.

    Franklin has lost 7 of his last 10 games. True story.

    Joker has ended the streaks against USC and TN. Not to mention he is the ONLY head coach at Kentucky who has beaten Spurrier.

    Close isn't good enough is what UK fans have always stated for our program yet when it comes to our competition it seems that if they are close then that means they are freaking the next coming of the Packers, Cowboys, and Patriots... DWS!

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  • cobbycobb said...

    Joker has ended the streaks against USC and TN. Not to mention he is the ONLY head coach at Kentucky who has beaten Spurrier.

    Close isn't good enough is what UK fans have always stated for our program yet when it comes to our competition it seems that if they are close then that means they are freaking the next coming of the Packers, Cowboys, and Patriots... DWS!

    Geez no kidding. I'm really sick of hearing about how good Vandy and Louisville are.

    tWhit

  • Haven't you heard? They have the next Bear Bryant, Nick Saban, Barry Switzer, Jimmy Johnson, Don Shula, and Tom Landry all rolled up into one. We should simply accept the inevitable and bow down to their superiority and greatness. Heck, if you look at them too long you will go blind becuase their future is so bright.

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  • Jeff Drummond said...

    National champion Auburn needed a FG with :00 left to beat Joker's Cats two years ago. UGA barely escaped with a win last year. Yet everyone says Joker is Dead Coach Walking. Nope, not giving Franklin a pass. Just win or shut up. That's what UK fans have told their coaches for years.

    Franklin has lost 7 of his last 10 games. True story.

    You don't win games within being IN games. Joker is Dead Coach Walking because we aren't competitive. 5-7 with respectable losses to the likes of Florida, South Carolina, and Vandy, and you're not hearing half the grumbling that you are (I'll give him the LSU thumping-- they were that good).

    In two years, Joker's losses are by: 34, 7, 3, 13, 7, 10, 17 (2010), 7, 38, 28, 51, 12, 30, and 9. That means of those 14, four were one possession games... So if the ball had bounced his way a couple more times, 11-14 could be as good as... say, 15-10.

    On the other hand, Vandy lost in Franklin's one year by: 18 (to the team that beat UK by 51), 34 (to Alabama), 5, 3, 5, 6, and 7. If the ball bounces his way a couple more times, Vandy is 11-2.

    Now sure, woulda, shoulda, coulda, I know. But I also know that it's a lot more viable to fix a team coming up one play short in a five point loss than to fix 34, 38, or 51 points losses. Not to even get into the fact that Franklin won six games with a team that Vegas predicted to win two or three before the season while Joker won five with a team that Vegas predicted to win six.

    I'm much less sold on Louisville than on Vandy. If the season is going to be saved, that's the place to do it.

    Gridiron_Joe

  • I agree with Jeff. The UL game does nothing for us and UL has leveraged the game with us for decades to improve the standing of the program.

    zcats

  • Gridiron_Joe said...

    Now sure, woulda, shoulda, coulda, I know. But I also know that it's a lot more viable to fix a team coming up one play short in a five point loss than to fix 34, 38, or 51 points losses. Not to even get into the fact that Franklin won six games with a team that Vegas predicted to win two or three before the season while Joker won five with a team that Vegas predicted to win six.

    So, if Franklin loses a few games (particularly Georgia, SC, Florida) by more than 1-2 possessions in 2012, is he a Dead Coach Walking? Regardless of number of one possession games, Franklin was 6-7 (2-6) with a bowl loss in his first year, an identical record to Phillips' first year. By your logic, if Vandy goes 5-7 (2-6) with bad losses to three good teams (granted, he probably needs a bad loss to a mediocre team as well), he should be fired.

    You're giving credit to Vandy's shoulda-woulda-coulda without giving the same credit to UK. If Phillips had a 9 win regular season in 2010 and a 6 win season in 2011, he would have been extended before the 2010 bowl game. We would have went to a bowl last year, be on a 6 year bowl streak, with 5 straight wins over the "mighty" Cards. Everyone here would be talking about whether or not 2012 or 2013 would be the year we would compete for the SEC East. But none of that happened, and we are where we are today, hoping for some progress in 2012.

    I don't believe that you can make an accurate prediction for the upcoming year based upon the previous year's failures. It just doesn't work that way. If it did, Vandy and UL wouldn't have beaten us last year, and we certainly would not have beaten Tenn with a WR playing QB. You still have to play the games.

    JDHLaw11

  • Replying to my own post here, but after all the attrition talk on this board and others regarding UK's losses from the 2010 class, and given the fact that we're talking about Vanderbilt's recruiting in this thread, I thought it pertinent to post:

    http://www.tennessean.com/article/20120516/SPORTS0602/305160137/Vanderbilt-running-back-transfer?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|Sports|s

    Lafonte Thourogood (3* Rivals 5.6, 4* Scout, 3* 78 ESPN, 3* 87 24/7) has been released and will be transferring from Vanderbilt after a single year in the program. He was a top 2-5 recruit in Franklin's 2011 class.

    JDHLaw11

  • zcats said...

    I agree with Jeff. The UL game does nothing for us and UL has leveraged the game with us for decades to improve the standing of the program.

    Been saying this for years, but it doesn't seem to get us anywhere. UK got blasted in the press just fro changing the game from the opener to later in the season (when played in Lexington). CANCEL THE SERIES!

    old jim

  • JDHLaw11 said...

    So, if Franklin loses a few games (particularly Georgia, SC, Florida) by more than 1-2 possessions in 2012, is he a Dead Coach Walking? Regardless of number of one possession games, Franklin was 6-7 (2-6) with a bowl loss in his first year, an identical record to Phillips' first year. By your logic, if Vandy goes 5-7 (2-6) with bad losses to three good teams (granted, he probably needs a bad loss to a mediocre team as well), he should be fired.

    You're giving credit to Vandy's shoulda-woulda-coulda without giving the same credit to UK. If Phillips had a 9 win regular season in 2010 and a 6 win season in 2011, he would have been extended before the 2010 bowl game. We would have went to a bowl last year, be on a 6 year bowl streak, with 5 straight wins over the "mighty" Cards. Everyone here would be talking about whether or not 2012 or 2013 would be the year we would compete for the SEC East. But none of that happened, and we are where we are today, hoping for some progress in 2012.

    I don't believe that you can make an accurate prediction for the upcoming year based upon the previous year's failures. It just doesn't work that way. If it did, Vandy and UL wouldn't have beaten us last year, and we certainly would not have beaten Tenn with a WR playing QB. You still have to play the games.

    1) Even a 6-6 year with the kind of brutal losses we had last year would've had some major grumblings. If you give UK fans a competitive team, there'll be some bellyaching if they end up 6-6 or 7-5, but most will be satisfied.

    2) Vandy isn't UK. If Franklin does have a bad year this year, he's probably still at or ahead of where people thought he'd be in two years. Joker, on the other hand, inherited a team that had put up four straight winning seasons. Vandy has NEVER done that, so Franklin does get a longer rope.

    3) Again, it's about attitude as much as results. Franklin got under a lot of people's skin, mostly because he fought fire with fire in the SEC. The man has no patience for being a doormat, and I'd like to see a little of the same from CJP.

    4) Thank God, you are right 112% on the last point. I hope UK surprises me. Believe me, I'm rooting for 9-3 or 10-2. My head says 4-8 though. But it's been wrong before, and I hope it's wrong again.

    Gridiron_Joe

  • Why when UK comes up close ala Auburn in 2010 that the fans are outraged..."a loss is a loss" " who cares about morals victories" "blah blah blah"...but other teams get to build off of those close losses...

    If "a loss is a loss" then 51pts=1pts if you are on the wrong side of the scoreboard.

    Now I believe in judging each game and every loss not being equal, have to judge it on the play. But I hate that the people who gripe about the moral victories are also the ones who pout emphasis on the margin of defeat and victory(like we only beat WKU by 11...)

    WildcatGG24

  • Gridiron_Joe said...

    1) Even a 6-6 year with the kind of brutal losses we had last year would've had some major grumblings. If you give UK fans a competitive team, there'll be some bellyaching if they end up 6-6 or 7-5, but most will be satisfied.

    2) Vandy isn't UK. If Franklin does have a bad year this year, he's probably still at or ahead of where people thought he'd be in two years. Joker, on the other hand, inherited a team that had put up four straight winning seasons. Vandy has NEVER done that, so Franklin does get a longer rope.

    3) Again, it's about attitude as much as results. Franklin got under a lot of people's skin, mostly because he fought fire with fire in the SEC. The man has no patience for being a doormat, and I'd like to see a little of the same from CJP.

    4) Thank God, you are right 112% on the last point. I hope UK surprises me. Believe me, I'm rooting for 9-3 or 10-2. My head says 4-8 though. But it's been wrong before, and I hope it's wrong again.

    Uk's roster did not reflect the success they had the previous four seasons when joker took over. The staff brooks had put together was aging and 2/3 of them didn't recruit a lick. That killed our roster.

    hoptownukfan

  • The Louisville game is very important and for those who think it is not must be afraid that we are going to lose.

    People have very selective memories concerning this game. The reason Louisville quit playing UK was in the past the game was not competitive. And IMHO, it still should not be. Fellas UK is a SEC team playing week in and week out the best teams in college football. For this to be anymore than a easy season opener says a lot.

    Beat Louisville.

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  • Gridiron_Joe said...

    You don't win games within being IN games. Joker is Dead Coach Walking because we aren't competitive. 5-7 with respectable losses to the likes of Florida, South Carolina, and Vandy, and you're not hearing half the grumbling that you are (I'll give him the LSU thumping-- they were that good).

    In two years, Joker's losses are by: 34, 7, 3, 13, 7, 10, 17 (2010), 7, 38, 28, 51, 12, 30, and 9. That means of those 14, four were one possession games... So if the ball had bounced his way a couple more times, 11-14 could be as good as... say, 15-10.

    On the other hand, Vandy lost in Franklin's one year by: 18 (to the team that beat UK by 51), 34 (to Alabama), 5, 3, 5, 6, and 7. If the ball bounces his way a couple more times, Vandy is 11-2.

    Now sure, woulda, shoulda, coulda, I know. But I also know that it's a lot more viable to fix a team coming up one play short in a five point loss than to fix 34, 38, or 51 points losses. Not to even get into the fact that Franklin won six games with a team that Vegas predicted to win two or three before the season while Joker won five with a team that Vegas predicted to win six.

    I'm much less sold on Louisville than on Vandy. If the season is going to be saved, that's the place to do it.

    You don't have enough of a sample size yet to make the determination. They were competitive in 2010. They had 3-4 totally non-competitive games in 2012, for sure, but also a few others where they did compete. Many factors can contribute to that, including the poor health of the team when they took their lumps early.

    This year will give us more answers.

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    Jeff Drummond

  • Dear Lord Jeff, you've said for years that it's all about Jimmy's and Joe's...are you denying that Franklin is kicking our ass on the recruiting trail? We are dead freakin' last in the conference in recruiting with a coach that is cutting his teeth in the toughest conference in the nation...it's a f'n recipe for disaster.

    rob65

  • rob65 said...

    Dear Lord Jeff, you've said for years that it's all about Jimmy's and Joe's...are you denying that Franklin is kicking our ass on the recruiting trail? We are dead freakin' last in the conference in recruiting with a coach that is cutting his teeth in the toughest conference in the nation...it's a f'n recipe for disaster.

    Vandy No. 49
    Kentucky No. 54

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  • Jeff Drummond said...

    Vandy No. 49 Kentucky No. 54

    Jeff, they have eight commitments at this point...two four star and six three star. It's Vanderbilt...

    rob65

  • Scout
    UK 31
    UL 42
    Vandy 45

    Rivals
    Vandy 29
    UL 42
    UK 62

    for some reason I can't pull up 247's rankings for 2012

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    cobbycobb

  • Rob, it's still early in the recruiting process. Don't panic until closer to signing day to see how many of their commits stick.

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  • rob65 said...

    Jeff, they have eight commitments at this point...two four star and six three star. It's Vanderbilt...

    To get upset over recruiting & commits in May is just a waste of time IMO. If we still only have 1 commit around the 1st game then we can worry. Until then it's just pointless. I will guess and say we have 4-5 commits before the UL game maybe 6-7.

    Whitaker568

  • Whitaker, normally I'd agree with that but I think this year we accept commitments slower. I don't expect more than 3 commits before the UL game. Come mid-season if we are struggling and not getting any verbal's then I'll start to worry.

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  • rob65 said...

    Jeff, they have eight commitments at this point...two four star and six three star. It's Vanderbilt...

    "At this point" is completely and utterly meaningless. Vandy did this last year, too, then lost a bunch of games and didn't sign half the guys who committed to them due to either academics or the players getting better offers.

    If they sign a bunch of studs in February of 2013, then we can talk.

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  • cobbycobb said...

    Whitaker, normally I'd agree with that but I think this year we accept commitments slower. I don't expect more than 3 commits before the UL game. Come mid-season if we are struggling and not getting any verbal's then I'll start to worry.

    Good point. I keep forgetting about the low number of rides we have this season.

    I'm glad we're taking it slow because every year we lose out on talented kids because of so many early season commits. The staff did a much better job this past class of that and we added Henderson,Whitlow, Taylor and the DB from OH.

    Whitaker568

  • With the SEC limiting how many ships teams can sign it helps to have a few open late in the year to get those type kids. Normally they would have signed with UF, LSU, Bama, etc... and either accepted a greyshirt or placement in a 'prep' school. We will benefit(along with non-sec teams) from this. We just need to make sure and win more games and keep some ships open late in the year.

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  • Of the 3 'cupcakes' of last year's OOC schedule , UK was outplayed by Western Ky and directional Michigan.

    Right now, there are no cupcakes for us. Like it or not, the program IS low on talent.

    We will see.

    Kooky Kats 247

  • Its funny watching people
    Bringing half truths and agendas only to get smacked down by JD.

    hoptownukfan