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Jeff Drummond said...
National champion Auburn needed a FG with :00 left to beat Joker's Cats two years ago. UGA barely escaped with a win last year. Yet everyone says Joker is Dead Coach Walking. Nope, not giving Franklin a pass. Just win or shut up. That's what UK fans have told their coaches for years.
Franklin has lost 7 of his last 10 games. True story.
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cobbycobb said...
Joker has ended the streaks against USC and TN. Not to mention he is the ONLY head coach at Kentucky who has beaten Spurrier.
Close isn't good enough is what UK fans have always stated for our program yet when it comes to our competition it seems that if they are close then that means they are freaking the next coming of the Packers, Cowboys, and Patriots... DWS!
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Jeff Drummond said...
National champion Auburn needed a FG with :00 left to beat Joker's Cats two years ago. UGA barely escaped with a win last year. Yet everyone says Joker is Dead Coach Walking. Nope, not giving Franklin a pass. Just win or shut up. That's what UK fans have told their coaches for years.
Franklin has lost 7 of his last 10 games. True story.
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Gridiron_Joe said...
Now sure, woulda, shoulda, coulda, I know. But I also know that it's a lot more viable to fix a team coming up one play short in a five point loss than to fix 34, 38, or 51 points losses. Not to even get into the fact that Franklin won six games with a team that Vegas predicted to win two or three before the season while Joker won five with a team that Vegas predicted to win six.
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JDHLaw11 said...
So, if Franklin loses a few games (particularly Georgia, SC, Florida) by more than 1-2 possessions in 2012, is he a Dead Coach Walking? Regardless of number of one possession games, Franklin was 6-7 (2-6) with a bowl loss in his first year, an identical record to Phillips' first year. By your logic, if Vandy goes 5-7 (2-6) with bad losses to three good teams (granted, he probably needs a bad loss to a mediocre team as well), he should be fired.
You're giving credit to Vandy's shoulda-woulda-coulda without giving the same credit to UK. If Phillips had a 9 win regular season in 2010 and a 6 win season in 2011, he would have been extended before the 2010 bowl game. We would have went to a bowl last year, be on a 6 year bowl streak, with 5 straight wins over the "mighty" Cards. Everyone here would be talking about whether or not 2012 or 2013 would be the year we would compete for the SEC East. But none of that happened, and we are where we are today, hoping for some progress in 2012.
I don't believe that you can make an accurate prediction for the upcoming year based upon the previous year's failures. It just doesn't work that way. If it did, Vandy and UL wouldn't have beaten us last year, and we certainly would not have beaten Tenn with a WR playing QB. You still have to play the games.
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Gridiron_Joe said...
1) Even a 6-6 year with the kind of brutal losses we had last year would've had some major grumblings. If you give UK fans a competitive team, there'll be some bellyaching if they end up 6-6 or 7-5, but most will be satisfied.
2) Vandy isn't UK. If Franklin does have a bad year this year, he's probably still at or ahead of where people thought he'd be in two years. Joker, on the other hand, inherited a team that had put up four straight winning seasons. Vandy has NEVER done that, so Franklin does get a longer rope.
3) Again, it's about attitude as much as results. Franklin got under a lot of people's skin, mostly because he fought fire with fire in the SEC. The man has no patience for being a doormat, and I'd like to see a little of the same from CJP.
4) Thank God, you are right 112% on the last point. I hope UK surprises me. Believe me, I'm rooting for 9-3 or 10-2. My head says 4-8 though. But it's been wrong before, and I hope it's wrong again.
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Gridiron_Joe said...
You don't win games within being IN games. Joker is Dead Coach Walking because we aren't competitive. 5-7 with respectable losses to the likes of Florida, South Carolina, and Vandy, and you're not hearing half the grumbling that you are (I'll give him the LSU thumping-- they were that good).
In two years, Joker's losses are by: 34, 7, 3, 13, 7, 10, 17 (2010), 7, 38, 28, 51, 12, 30, and 9. That means of those 14, four were one possession games... So if the ball had bounced his way a couple more times, 11-14 could be as good as... say, 15-10.
On the other hand, Vandy lost in Franklin's one year by: 18 (to the team that beat UK by 51), 34 (to Alabama), 5, 3, 5, 6, and 7. If the ball bounces his way a couple more times, Vandy is 11-2.
Now sure, woulda, shoulda, coulda, I know. But I also know that it's a lot more viable to fix a team coming up one play short in a five point loss than to fix 34, 38, or 51 points losses. Not to even get into the fact that Franklin won six games with a team that Vegas predicted to win two or three before the season while Joker won five with a team that Vegas predicted to win six.
I'm much less sold on Louisville than on Vandy. If the season is going to be saved, that's the place to do it.
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rob65 said...
Dear Lord Jeff, you've said for years that it's all about Jimmy's and Joe's...are you denying that Franklin is kicking our ass on the recruiting trail? We are dead freakin' last in the conference in recruiting with a coach that is cutting his teeth in the toughest conference in the nation...it's a f'n recipe for disaster.
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Interesting article about Vandy and SEC football recruiting.