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Is UL blocking WVU to the Big 12?

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19 months ago

rgunslinger said...
Because aside from football they don't have anything to offer and if I'm not mistaken their academics are pretty poor as well.

This is all about football. Nothing else matters. The academics at UofL and West Virginia are not going to get them on any conference wish list.
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ajp40505 said...
This is all about football. Nothing else matters. The academics at UofL and West Virginia are not going to get them on any conference wish list.

But Boise only offers up the #112 television market.
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19 months ago

NateRay said...
What I don't like about our politicians getting involved in this stuff is what are they saying and/or promising behind doors to make their influence shown? Are they promising anything in terms of passing bills or attaching earmarks for what they want? It just brings up way too many possibilities of corruption, like they're used to in working as politicians, so I really don't want the politicians involved.

I agree with you on this specific case, but in other cases like steroids in baseball, or helping mediate negotiations, etc, I have no issue with it. . .
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BG631 said...
Exactly. . . That line about "we have real issues, and this is what they're worried about" is so played out it is ridiculous. . . People in congress are not required to focus on political issues 24 hours a day 7 days a week. . . I don't like Mitch, and I don't really see why he is getting involved in this specific case, but in general I have no issue with congress and sports. . .

No, they're not "required" to focus on their job 24/7/365...but if he's using his position to sway/pressure/force the Big 12 into a decision they clearly didn't want to make, then that's an impeachable offense. Using your position of authority in an inappropriate manner isn't just unethical, it's illegal.
But, it is what it is. I could care less if he was doing this for UK or UL, I'm just upset that a Senator took time away from his constituents to pander to a college conference for his home team to be included. If he's not a Senator, neither University President takes his call, and the Big 12 continues to do what the BIG 12 WANTED TO DO!!! Now, they feel pressured to do something they didn't want to do as a direct result of political pressure.
It's subtraction by addition for UL to be admitted to the Big 12. And everyone who has an open mind knows it but the UL faithful. THAT'S why WVA was chosen in the first place, it's a net benefit to the Big 12. And "forcing" them to take UL too devalues their product.
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19 months ago

Edgehollow2 said...
No, they're not "required" to focus on their job 24/7/365...but if he's using his position to sway/pressure/force the Big 12 into a decision they clearly didn't want to make, then that's an impeachable offense. Using your position of authority in an inappropriate manner isn't just unethical, it's illegal.
But, it is what it is. I could care less if he was doing this for UK or UL, I'm just upset that a Senator took time away from his constituents to pander to a college conference for his home team to be included. If he's not a Senator, neither University President takes his call, and the Big 12 continues to do what the BIG 12 WANTED TO DO!!! Now, they feel pressured to do something they didn't want to do as a direct result of political pressure.
It's subtraction by addition for UL to be admitted to the Big 12. And everyone who has an open mind knows it but the UL faithful. THAT'S why WVA was chosen in the first place, it's a net benefit to the Big 12. And "forcing" them to take UL too devalues their product.
Edge

Like I said I don't think he should be involved either. . . I just don't like the cliche "That's what they're worried about, when we have real problems" attitude. . . The specific case I agree with you, the broad generalization, I do not. . . JMO
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Edgehollow2 said...
My HUGE problem with the politicians getting involved is....
Unemployment is high. The economy is crap. They're (the gov't) spending money like a drunken sailor on payday weekend. We as a country have real problems. And THIS is the most important thing Mitch and the politicians from WVa have to deal with at this point in time???
STFU and work on the stuff you're PAID to do, and stop with the personal agenda crap. You want to help your school...then resign and THEN help. You don't take time away from your JOB to do lobbying for "your" school to go to another conference. If UL can't get in on their own merits...then maybe they're just not good enough.
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Yessir. Congress has no business in sports. BTW how did that George Mitchell project work?
It smells like microwaved homeless people in here.
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Warmother51 said...
Yessir. Congress has no business in sports. BTW how did that George Mitchell project work?

I wish congress would step in and investigate how the NCAA does its investigations, and penalizes teams, etc. . .
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Now that is one time when I would be all for it. So I will back up on my no business in sports. Good point BG.

This post was edited by Warmother51 on 10/27/2011 at 7:56 PM
It smells like microwaved homeless people in here.
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Lol. Why do you think they spend 40 hrs a week on their job? Is it cause they read all those bills? Oh, wait they don't! Maybe because they are meeting donors and lobbyist to pad their pockets and that's the only reason why
Politicians are corrupt and if they get involved in sports it makes them even more corrupt than they are. I wouldn't even want the congress investigating the NCAA. Thats the job for the DOJ not congress.
Stoopified!
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Pretty sure Mitch can lobby on behalf of his state until he's blue in the face and it would perfectly legal. When you add generalizations such as "force" then maybe it becomes something else. We may not like that he's helping UL but he is working for his people at least.
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JohnBlue_ said...
Pretty sure Mitch can lobby on behalf of his state until he's blue in the face and it would perfectly legal. When you add generalizations such as "force" then maybe it becomes something else. We may not like that he's helping UL but he is working for his people at least.

Yeah, their is definitely no "forcing" going on here. . . Pretty ridiculous to think that. . .
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BG631 said...
Yeah, their is definitely no "forcing" going on here. . . Pretty ridiculous to think that. . .

Is Mitch "forcing"? I don't know. What I DO know is that Mitch McConnell calling up a University President almost requires the president to take that call and listen to what he has to say. I also know that if it was Edge calling up that University President to present UL's case in the same manner, not a chance in hell he talks to me. On that basis alone, he's using his position to influence a (bad, IMO) decision by a conference. A decision that the conference already made to "his" school's detriment.
And, UL getting into the Big 12 has NO net benefit to the state of Kentucky as a whole, save some tax revenues for Jefferson County. It DOES, however, have a net benefit to the university that he has personal ties to and supports. I don't think the Big 12 will be around in 5 years anyway, but I don't like the fact that the Big 12 feels pressured from a powerful politician to take a school they originally rejected...whether that pressure is real or implied.
But, I have to admit, I'm looking at this as a business decision by the Big 12. And I'm adamant about Gov't staying out of business affairs...especially if there's no net benefit to the parties involved save the one the politician represents. Like I said before, it's subtraction by addition for UL to be added to the Big 12.
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