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Just how far has UK Football dropped??

  • Think about this for a second. Really let it sink in.......UK is a near double digit underdog AT HOME against VANDY this weekend. Again, let that sink in. This program has nosedived faster and deeper than ANYONE could've imagined under the leadership of the current staff and administration.

    This staff has turned what was a somewhat "stable" situation into a complete rebuilding job in a matter of only a couple of years. That's a pretty amazing feat in itself.

    MinterWonderlnd

  • MinterWonderlnd said...

    Think about this for a second. Really let it sink in.......UK is a near double digit underdog AT HOME against VANDY this weekend. Again, let that sink in. This program has nosedived faster and deeper than ANYONE could've imagined under the leadership of the current staff and administration.

    This staff has turned what was a somewhat "stable" situation into a complete rebuilding job in a matter of only a couple of years. That's a pretty amazing feat in itself.

    Im for one am glad you mentioned the Administration as part of the problem with the football program as well as the coach. I feel that a program cant be strong unless it is solid from the AD down to the players. The coaching staff has to be changed but the facilities must be upgraded and that starts with the administration. Perhaps the AD has to be looked at as well as the coaching staff(which is done). Maybe a new AD=new facilities=a new coaching staff=better recruits=happier fans=more revenue=s happy Administration.

    sleepydog

  • I agree that the administration could do more, but, I put most of this on Joker because he didn't take over a team that was at rock bottom. He didn't continue what Coach Brooks had going. After all, we had gone to several straight bowl games. It has clearly gotten worse on Joker's watch.

    ukblueforever

  • ukblueforever said...

    I agree that the administration could do more, but, I put most of this on Joker because he didn't take over a team that was at rock bottom. He didn't continue what Coach Brooks had going. After all, we had gone to several straight bowl games. It has clearly gotten worse on Joker's watch.

    I dont want to make anyone mad but to just show what kind of job Mitch has done with the football program heres those glorious years under Brooks=39-47 TOTAL and 16-39 SEC. Oh yeah he did take us to some bowl games but do any of you consider any of those bowl games to be good ones? If there isnt a problem with those totals and add Jokers record to them and if you can tell me that there isnt a problem at the top then I feel sorry for the football program because you will have the same person hiring the next coach that hired the previous 2. And 1 more thing look at brooks record at Oregon it was a wonderful 91-109.

    This post was edited by sleepydog on 10/28/2012 at 7:00 PM

    sleepydog

  • How far has UK Football dropped? That's easy... swirl

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    JawJacker

  • Player development for the last five years has been awful. How many players came here and actually improved? The only ones that I can truly say that about would be Danny Trevathan and Wesley Woodyard. Corey Peters was a high recruit so, in a way, his success was predicted. But how many "big" names have we seen come here and then just slip into the darkness? Morgan Newton, Aaron Boyd, Ryan Mossakowski, Micah Johnson, Alex Smith, Glenn Faulkner, and Tim Patterson are just some of the guys we were counting on that have been disappointments. I truly thought Micah Johnson would be all-world.

    There needs to be a total facelift in the UK football department to change the atmosphere. Otherwise it will continue to be much of the same.

    MDay

  • In Brooks' first three seasons his squads posted records of 4–8, 2–9 and 3–8 (9–25 overall)

    In the next three he went 7-5, 8-5, 7-6 (22-19) with Wins over Clemson, LSU, Louisville, Florida State, East Carolina, Georgia,and frankly we weren't automatic wins for everyone's schedule anymore.

    Brooks was a program builder so his record is not going to be great when compared to others. However, he knew his limits and the limits of UK. He stated what we needed at the time of his departure. Unfortunately, the UK administration, and the staff didn't build on the foundation in the right way. I honestly think that Joker has tried hard but trying hard doesn't mean anything unless you know how to do it. I can try hard to swim but if I don't know how to I will still drown. I think that is Joker and the administration was and is a anchor on his foot.

    Now do I think UK can win? Yes! With the right person, with the right support from the administration and government, we could be successful even with everything going against us. Look at Kansas State, West Virginia, Boise State, etc. I know each of those are perfect comparisons BUT they are examples that we can overcome.

    TheBluesBrother

  • MinterWonderlnd said...

    Think about this for a second. Really let it sink in.......UK is a near double digit underdog AT HOME against VANDY this weekend. Again, let that sink in. This program has nosedived faster and deeper than ANYONE could've imagined under the leadership of the current staff and administration.

    This staff has turned what was a somewhat "stable" situation into a complete rebuilding job in a matter of only a couple of years. That's a pretty amazing feat in itself.

    UK has only dropped back to where they've been the last 50-60 yrs. We've averaged 3 wins per yr for a half century. So we just dropped back to where we were all along. Vandy has improved however......b/c they usually are in the 2-3 win purgatory that we usually are.

    BlueRaider22

  • TheBluesBrother said...

    In Brooks' first three seasons his squads posted records of 4–8, 2–9 and 3–8 (9–25 overall)

    In the next three he went 7-5, 8-5, 7-6 (22-19) with Wins over Clemson, LSU, Louisville, Florida State, East Carolina, Georgia,and frankly we weren't automatic wins for everyone's schedule anymore.

    Brooks was a program builder so his record is not going to be great when compared to others. However, he knew his limits and the limits of UK. He stated what we needed at the time of his departure. Unfortunately, the UK administration, and the staff didn't build on the foundation in the right way. I honestly think that Joker has tried hard but trying hard doesn't mean anything unless you know how to do it. I can try hard to swim but if I don't know how to I will still drown. I think that is Joker and the administration was and is a anchor on his foot.

    Now do I think UK can win? Yes! With the right person, with the right support from the administration and government, we could be successful even with everything going against us. Look at Kansas State, West Virginia, Boise State, etc. I know each of those are perfect comparisons BUT they are examples that we can overcome.

    I was trying to show that maybe Mitch' job performance should be examined before he hires another coach. Im not picking on Brooks but he was hired after being out of college ball for 10 years and he had a losing record there at Oregon. He then coached a little in the NFL but again he had a losing record there also. So Mitch thought it was a good idea to bring into the UK program that was struggling and has been for ever a coach that 1. Hasnt coached college ball in 10 years 2. Had a losing record at that college(Oregon) that he had coached 10 years before. 3. He coached some in the NFL but again he had a losing record. So please tell me why Mitched hired Brooks? then he hired Joker and we all know what he has done these last 3 years. *****DO WE WANT MITCH TO HIRE OUR NEXT COACH CONSIDERING THE PAST 2 COACHES HE HAS HIRED?

    sleepydog

  • BlueRaider22 said...

    UK has only dropped back to where they've been the last 50-60 yrs. We've averaged 3 wins per yr for a half century. So we just dropped back to where we were all along. Vandy has improved however......b/c they usually are in the 2-3 win purgatory that we usually are.

    Yeah, but we used to play ten games a year for most of that half century...now we play 12 so our winning pct. is getting worse and worse and we are depressed an additional two weeks out of the year.

    jamccain

  • sleepydog said...

    I was trying to show that maybe Mitch' job performance should be examined before he hires another coach. Im not picking on Brooks but he was hired after being out of college ball for 10 years and he had a losing record there at Oregon. He then coached a little in the NFL but again he had a losing record there also. So Mitch thought it was a good idea to bring into the UK program that was struggling and has been for ever a coach that 1. Hasnt coached college ball in 10 years 2. Had a losing record at that college(Oregon) that he had coached 10 years before. 3. He coached some in the NFL but again he had a losing record. So please tell me why Mitched hired Brooks? then he hired Joker and we all know what he has done these last 3 years. *****DO WE WANT MITCH TO HIRE OUR NEXT COACH CONSIDERING THE PAST 2 COACHES HE HAS HIRED?

    Brooks was 30-22 in his last four years at UK. He did the same at Oregon. He took ateam riddled with probation at UK and made it competitive. How anyone can question the Brooks hire is beyond me.

    footballcat65

  • footballcat65 said...

    Brooks was 30-22 in his last four years at UK. He did the same at Oregon. He took ateam riddled with probation at UK and made it competitive. How anyone can question the Brooks hire is beyond me.

    And also, from everything we have heard, Brooks was not Barnharts first choice. He tried to get three other pretty big names so I'm not saying anything about the Brooks hiring. And it's not like we were bad after the first couple of years either. We improved and we were competitive. Thats what we want here. Just to be competitive.

    Would it be nice to win the SEC East, or the SEC, or while we are dreaming even a national title? Hell yes it would. But most people here would be happy with a 7 or 8 win team. Especially now where we have added an SEC game meaning we would have to win 3 or 4 SEC games to get that. If you are good enough to win 8 games, you will be competitive in your losses most of the time. And there will be years in there where you will win 9-10 games and years where you might only win 5 games. Just so long as it looks like we have a team that is being coached by a staff who is capable. That is not what we have now.

    I know it's not fair to the current players to not show up and support them, but if Barnhart refuses to see the writing on the wall then maybe the fans should write a little bigger. I think it would be great for the upper levels of CWS to be empty on Saturday. Secretly, I think the current players would like it too though they would never admit it. With former coaches and players tweeting comments and your own school newspapers writing articles against the program, you have to think even the players know that things just aren't right and it is time for a change. I'm sure some of you will disagree with me, but with every loss the number of supporters for the current administration continues to decline. I see very little opposition even on this board compared with even just 3-4 weeks ago.

    nawlinsbaby

  • MDay said...

    Player development for the last five years has been awful. How many players came here and actually improved? The only ones that I can truly say that about would be Danny Trevathan and Wesley Woodyard. Corey Peters was a high recruit so, in a way, his success was predicted. But how many "big" names have we seen come here and then just slip into the darkness? Morgan Newton, Aaron Boyd, Ryan Mossakowski, Micah Johnson, Alex Smith, Glenn Faulkner, and Tim Patterson are just some of the guys we were counting on that have been disappointments. I truly thought Micah Johnson would be all-world.

    There needs to be a total facelift in the UK football department to change the atmosphere. Otherwise it will continue to be much of the same.

    Not saying you are wrong about development, but to use cases like A Smith (attitude, less than a yr in program) Faulkner (injuries and personal family issues, just 2nd yr) and Patterson,(injury and academics) is not right. A player can't be developed in 20 or so practices. It was probably a mistake not moving Micah to DL and asking him to add 25 lbs. Moss, well after watching Newton I just can't imagine what the staff was seeing during that competition.

    msdcatfan

  • footballcat65 said...

    Brooks was 30-22 in his last four years at UK. He did the same at Oregon. He took ateam riddled with probation at UK and made it competitive. How anyone can question the Brooks hire is beyond me.

    You consider 16-39 in the SEC competitive, well I dont. Look at the non conference teams we played we should have been 8 games over .500. My expectations are a little higher maybe too high but I do expect a coach here for 7 years to have more than 16 wins in the SEC or am I asking too much? Also how many SEC wins does Joker have so far? Well, there you go! PS; Joker is 4-18 in the SEC so far.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by sleepydog on 10/29/2012 at 12:18 AM

    sleepydog

  • People less you all forget, the state of KY has very little in state talent each yr to make this program a top 20 team. Sorry people. If you want the program to grow fine UK must spend 9million plus each yr for the new coach and staff plus a ton of money for recruiting. Are you willing to pay 2 times more for your tickets. This is the price that must be paid period. So stop bitching unless you are willing to pay this.

    dvillepro1