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Keep hearing national pundits say UofL gave UK a great game...

  • the numbers are what they are. you can explain them any way you want. How many games this year did this team "let up" down the stretch to give opponents "garbage points"? Do you think UK is the only team that has had commanding leads going down the stretch? Is it the only team that gives up garbage points in those situations? Why should the way they actually play the games not be more indicative of what they will do in the future than how you or I wish they had played the games?

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  • I'm not explaining them any way I want, I'm telling what actually happened in those games. The only reason the Cats let up is because they had a commanding lead, and could afford to. To use that as a basis to claim that the Cats are not playing as good of defense in the post season is ridiculous. UL fans and sports hosts are actually using these numbers to claim that UL is more improved, and matches up well w/ KY. My point is, the only way UK's d lets up and allows UL these garbage points is if we already have a commanding lead, therefore, negating their argument that they ahve progressed more than us. To argue that the numbers point towards UK's defense being down is not taking in account the reality of the situation. .

    Catmando

  • The Kentucky defensive efficiency has slipped in recent weeks. That is a fact. There may be multiple explanation for why this has happened.

    This has absolutely nothing to do with Louisville. It has even less to do with what Louisville fans or UK fans say about these teams.

    The Kentucky offensive efficiency has climbed in recent weeks. This also is a fact. There may be multiple explanations for that too. That also has nothing to do with Louisville.

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  • OK, so the numbers are fact, but what good are they unless you interpret them, and acurately, at that?

    Catmando

  • TheProfessor said...

    Jeff, I prepared a lengthy response, 10 full paragraphs that would have bored the folks to tears I am sure, and when I hit the Post button, the 247 site was down. I can't redo that.

    I think the current UK success is on the offensive end, and I have watched as the UK defensive efficiency has slipped over the last few weeks from a top 5 defense to a top 15 defense. The offense has surged to #2, and no one is playing better offensive basketball right now than UK.

    You've also got to say they've played some awfully good offensive clubs in ISU, IU and Baylor (not to mention a new pace) that affected those numbers.

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  • Yet, there were long periods where we absolutely locked down Baylor. They just couldn't run any of their stuff and ended up taking awful shots which lead to fast break opportunities for UK. We still have the ability to get after it on defense when it is important. I am not sure that UL or Kansas presents real offensive threats and we could possibly beat them with offense. OSU, on the other hand, would require a better defensive effort by the cats if that were to come about.

    zcats

  • Jeff Drummond said...

    You've also got to say they've played some awfully good offensive clubs in ISU, IU and Baylor (not to mention a new pace) that affected those numbers.

    That is another explanation for the slippage in the defensive efficiency we have seen in recent weeks.

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  • zcats said...

    Yet, there were long periods where we absolutely locked down Baylor. They just couldn't run any of their stuff and ended up taking awful shots which lead to fast break opportunities for UK. We still have the ability to get after it on defense when it is important. I am not sure that UL or Kansas presents real offensive threats and we could possibly beat them with offense. OSU, on the other hand, would require a better defensive effort by the cats if that were to come about.

    Let's look at the Baylor game.

    First Half:

    20:00 to 14:54: 5:06 10 possessions, 10 points, 1.000 ppp
    14:54 to 3:52: 11:02 17 possessions, 7 points, 0.412 ppp
    3:52 to 0:00, and

    Second half

    20:00 to 0:00: 23:52 43 possessions, 53 points, 1.232 ppp

    So, for about 11 minutes, UK's defense locked down Baylor. The other 29 minutes, not so much.

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  • TheProfessor said...

    Let's look at the Baylor game.

    First Half:

    20:00 to 14:54: 5:06 10 possessions, 10 points, 1.000 ppp 14:54 to 3:52: 11:02 17 possessions, 7 points, 0.412 ppp 3:52 to 0:00, and

    Second half

    20:00 to 0:00: 23:52 43 possessions, 53 points, 1.232 ppp

    So, for about 11 minutes, UK's defense locked down Baylor. The other 29 minutes, not so much.

    Your misuse of statistics in this situation is bizarre.

    The game is 40 minutes. You are comparing apples to oranges. First you mention 10 posessions. Then you mention 17 posessions, then you mention 43 posessions.

    How in the world could baylor have the ball for 23 minutes in the second half when there are only 20 minutes in the entire half.

    When you look at the game, our defense was VERY effective. Basketball is a game of runs. Of course there might be a 5 or a 10 minute stretch that the opponent does well. But the bottom line is that UK's defense was EXTREMLY effective.

    You also have to consider the circumstances. Davis was playing tenatively in the second half because of the scare with his knee. perspective is VITAl when exploring statistics.

    It's much like your argument that UK isn't as good in non-conference games on the road or neutral sites as they are at home. Of course they aren't. When they go on the road in non-conference UK is playing UNC or IU, or KU etc...

    You must give perspective when presenting statistics. Taking out "snipits" in time is very biased.

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  • hoptownukfan said...

    Your misuse of statistics in this situation is bizarre.

    The game is 40 minutes. You are comparing apples to oranges. First you mention 10 posessions. Then you mention 17 posessions, then you mention 43 posessions.

    How in the world could baylor have the ball for 23 minutes in the second half when there are only 20 minutes in the entire half.

    When you look at the game, our defense was VERY effective. Basketball is a game of runs. Of course there might be a 5 or a 10 minute stretch that the opponent does well. But the bottom line is that UK's defense was EXTREMLY effective.

    You also have to consider the circumstances. Davis was playing tenatively in the second half because of the scare with his knee. perspective is VITAl when exploring statistics.

    It's much like your argument that UK isn't as good in non-conference games on the road or neutral sites as they are at home. Of course they aren't. When they go on the road in non-conference UK is playing UNC or IU, or KU etc...

    You must give perspective when presenting statistics. Taking out "snipits" in time is very biased.

    Perhaps you should learn to comprehend a bit before flying off at the handle.

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  • TheProfessor said...

    Let's look at the Baylor game.

    First Half:

    20:00 to 14:54: 5:06 10 possessions, 10 points, 1.000 ppp 14:54 to 3:52: 11:02 17 possessions, 7 points, 0.412 ppp 3:52 to 0:00, and

    Second half

    20:00 to 0:00: 23:52 43 possessions, 53 points, 1.232 ppp

    So, for about 11 minutes, UK's defense locked down Baylor. The other 29 minutes, not so much.

    Thanks Prof. This is exactly what I saw on the court. We clamped down and Baylor was swamped for that long stretch of the first half and the game was basically over. They played better after their coach challenged them but the damage was done. The point I was making is that UK can still throttle a team with defense. Our improvement on offense has made this level of defense unnecessary for the most part but I think they can still do it. I attribute some of this deemphasis of defensive pressure with Cal 1. wanting the team to keep fresh legs for the next game and 2. avoiding foul trouble which we all know could cost them a game in certain circumstances.

    zcats

  • i think the first half is an accurate indicater of what defense uofl is going to see baylor absolutely looked flabbergasted and intimidated. cal admittedly told the players at the half lets just get out of here with a win and nobody gets hurt. do u really think that didnt play into baylors scoring output in the second half. same thing with isu when we decided enough was enough they didnt score for what ten minutes lol. this tm holds back a little bit at times if we wanted to beat baylor by 30 we would have but why when u have two critical games left and a 20+ point lead.

    quagmire