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Kidd-Gilchrist denies ESPN report

  • Jeff Drummond said...

    Good point. Even more than he was so adamant about it (which was backed by other program insiders) and now this report that he's changed his mind. Very odd. Makes you wonder if Cal is getting feedback that says he's top 5 or 6 for sure and in turn is telling MKG that he doesn't need to risk coming back.

    That would be my guess.

    Whitaker568

  • Barnes likely hasn't cost himself much. He's still a Top 5 pick and very likely a Top 3 pick, same as last year. Sullinger probably has, but, he'll still be a Top 10 pick and will have millions of guaranteed money. Only real difference is it'll be 1 year later before there 2nd contract, but, if they're playing well by then, they'll make just as much on the 2nd contract as they would have anyway and when you're talking 40-50m contracts, 1 or 2 million on the front end isn't really much. In every conversation I've heard from Sully and Barnes, they both say they are happy they returned and would have done the same if they had to do it all over again... I really don't get it when people say "he has to go" if he's a lottery pick or high 1st rounder. They only lose out on the 1st contract and that's only if they go lower than they would have in the prior years draft which is 50-50.. other than that, they just have 1 year longer to wait on there 2nd contract, but, no financial difference. Chances are, it'll be the same or close, either way.. Some kids may need to mature more than others from a mental standpoint moreso than a physical or they love the college game and college atmosphere and want to experience it another year. Nothing wrong with that and with MKG still only 18 yrs old, I could definately see him wanting to stay 1 more year...

    bluecatntn

  • Actually he said he would graduate from UK, and he still can whether he goes to the NBA or not..get off the kids nuts and let him worry about the Tourney. It's his life and his decision.

    Kevyo

  • “I don't know where this is coming from,” Kidd-Gilchrist said on Twitter. “This is MY decision. Right now all I'm focused on my Teammates and winning Games. After the season Ill make a decision that's best for me and my family!”

    That's definitely a little backpedaling from his prior statements. I'm cool with that. he should look at all his options.

    BlueGhost

  • I was pretty hot when the original story came out. I've calmed down a bit now. He's young and has the right to change his mind. I am just curious about the change of heart. If it was really him or if Cal talked him into leaving. If that's the case I'm going to have a big problem with Cal.

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    CarlLexington

  • CarlLexington said...

    I was pretty hot when the original story came out. I've calmed down a bit now. He's young and has the right to change his mind. I am just curious about the change of heart. If it was really him or if Cal talked him into leaving. If that's the case I'm going to have a big problem with Cal.

    Continue to stay calm ... at this point, we don't even know if there's been a change of heart. No use getting upset or angry with anyone until you know the whole story.

    WildcatKNH :: my NCAA Resource Center > www.knhayes.com/NCAA

    wildcatknh

  • Kevyo said...

    Actually he said he would graduate from UK, and he still can whether he goes to the NBA or not..get off the kids nuts and let him worry about the Tourney. It's his life and his decision.

    Agree with all of that. I sure would love for him to stay but when you can go make the kind of money these guys can make then they have to take a serious look at leaving. You can get your degree while taking courses in offseason or after playing days are done.

    Southcat

  • And I don't think Cal "tells" them to do either he paints the big picture out for a kid with a dream and let's them decide their fate. He dont get the rich kids who can afford to stay he gets the talented kids with heart that wants to buy their mom the house they never had. It shouldn't be blamed on college coaches it should be blamed on the system of what if's (I get hurt or my value goes down) of the NBA

    Kevyo

  • wildcatknh said...

    The NCAA rule is not a deadline to ENTER your name in the draft ... it's a deadline to REMOVE your name from the draft list once it's already been added. Huge difference.

    Assuming they're eligible for the NBA draft, athletes can ask the NBA to add them to the draft list at any time before the NBA deadline (this year April 29th).

    If you never put your name on the list to start with, you keep all your remaining college eligibility.

    No matter when you put your name on the list ... you only have until the day before the NLI signing period begins (this year April 10th) to remove your name from the draft list and keep your remaining college eligibility (assuming you haven't already hired an agent).

    There is no ignoring the NCAA rule ... if your name is on the draft list after the NCAA deadline (whether you added it on February 1st or April 20th), you lose all remaining college eligibility.

    The NCAA rule is a deadline to enter your name into the draft. It has changed and doesn't work like it used to. I'm linking an Andy Katz blog piece (from yesterday). There is no removing your name from the pool before April 29th as far as the NBA is concerned. If you decide on April 28th (after telling your school and the NCAA that you're coming back) that you want move on to the NBA, you just have to notify on that date. The April 10th deadline is a joke that any player can easily get around.

    Here's an excerpt from Katz's blog post:

    An underclassman can say on April 10 that he's returning to school, but he can still declare for the NBA draft by the league's April 29 deadline. The NBA doesn't acknowledge the April 10 date and will only put out an underclassmen list for prospective teams on May 2, after its own deadline and not the NCAA's.

    That means someone like North Carolina's Harrison Barnes could tell coach Roy Williams that he's coming back to school, but then after potentially talking to agents for two weeks, he could declare for the draft without any problem.

    "It's the dumbest thing ever," said Kentucky coach John Calipari. "It's stupid. If this is about the kids, then that's the last thing this is about."

    BigTyrone

  • BigTyrone said...

    The NCAA rule is a deadline to enter your name into the draft. It has changed and doesn't work like it used to. I'm linking an Andy Katz blog piece (from yesterday). There is no removing your name from the pool before April 29th as far as the NBA is concerned. If you decide on April 28th (after telling your school and the NCAA that you're coming back) that you want move on to the NBA, you just have to notify on that date. The April 10th deadline is a joke that any player can easily get around.

    Here's an excerpt from Katz's blog post:

    An underclassman can say on April 10 that he's returning to school, but he can still declare for the NBA draft by the league's April 29 deadline. The NBA doesn't acknowledge the April 10 date and will only put out an underclassmen list for prospective teams on May 2, after its own deadline and not the NCAA's.

    That means someone like North Carolina's Harrison Barnes could tell coach Roy Williams that he's coming back to school, but then after potentially talking to agents for two weeks, he could declare for the draft without any problem.

    "It's the dumbest thing ever," said Kentucky coach John Calipari. "It's stupid. If this is about the kids, then that's the last thing this is about."

    The NCAA rule on early entry for the NBA draft is explicitly a draft removal deadline.

    As I mentioned above, assuming an athlete meets the early-entry NBA draft eligibility requirements for a particular draft, he can add his name to the NBA draft list up until 60 days prior to the NBA draft (for this year, that's April 29th) of that particular year. This is an NBA rule that does not take into account whether the athlete has told the NCAA or his school anything at any time about his intentions.

    On April 28th of 2011, the NCAA Legislative Committee adopted Proposal No. 2010-24 ... which amended Bylaw 12.2.4.2.1 of Article 12 of the NCAA Division I 2011-12 Manual. Here's the actual amended text of Bylaw 12.2.4.2.1 from the Manual:

    "12.2.4.2.1 Exception—Basketball—Four-Year College Student-Athlete.
    12.2.4.2.1.1 Men’s Basketball. In men’s basketball, an enrolled student-athlete may enter a professional league’s draft one time
    during his collegiate career without jeopardizing eligibility in that sport, provided: (Adopted: 4/30/09 effective 8/1/09)
    (a) The student-athlete requests that his name be removed from the draft list and declares his intent to resume intercollegiate
    participation not later than the end of the day before the first day of the spring National Letter of Intent signing period for the
    applicable year; (Revised: 4/28/11 effective 8/1/11)"

    When Andy states, "The new draft rule, which is not universally known, calls for all underclassmen to indicate whether they're in or out of the NBA draft on April 10, one week after the Final Four ends and a day before the month-long spring signing period." ... he's saying the same thing in different language ... that this year, athletes have until April 10th to remove their name from the early-entry draft list. Andy's 'indication of whether they're in or out' only means that their name is on the list or not as of April 10th.

    The only NCAA rule that governs athletes having their name on the draft list or not is the April 10th removal deadline.

    WildcatKNH :: my NCAA Resource Center > www.knhayes.com/NCAA

    wildcatknh

  • I understand that. But there's nothing stopping a player from waiting until April 28th to declare, correct? It's my understanding that all a player would have to do is not declare until sometime after the 10th, making the NCAA deadline irrelevant.

    Let's pick up this discussion again on April 3rd. biggrin

    BigTyrone

  • BigTyrone said...

    I understand that. But there's nothing stopping a player from waiting until April 28th to declare, correct? It's my understanding that all a player would have to do is not declare until sometime after the 10th, making the NCAA deadline irrelevant.

    Let's pick up this discussion again on April 3rd. biggrin

    Exactly. The 'confusion' that I think Andy's referring to is because the NCAA and the NBA don't agree on a single date. Making the NCAA rule basically a 'one-way' rule in that the only time it has any impact is when a player puts his name on the list initially and then doesn't remove it by the 10th of April.

    And I hear ya ... Go Cats! and we can talk about it on the 3rd while celebrating #8 over a beer ....

    WildcatKNH :: my NCAA Resource Center > www.knhayes.com/NCAA

    wildcatknh

  • BigTyrone said...

    The NCAA rule is a deadline to enter your name into the draft. It has changed and doesn't work like it used to. I'm linking an Andy Katz blog piece (from yesterday). There is no removing your name from the pool before April 29th as far as the NBA is concerned. If you decide on April 28th (after telling your school and the NCAA that you're coming back) that you want move on to the NBA, you just have to notify on that date. The April 10th deadline is a joke that any player can easily get around.

    Here's an excerpt from Katz's blog post:

    An underclassman can say on April 10 that he's returning to school, but he can still declare for the NBA draft by the league's April 29 deadline. The NBA doesn't acknowledge the April 10 date and will only put out an underclassmen list for prospective teams on May 2, after its own deadline and not the NCAA's.

    That means someone like North Carolina's Harrison Barnes could tell coach Roy Williams that he's coming back to school, but then after potentially talking to agents for two weeks, he could declare for the draft without any problem.

    "It's the dumbest thing ever," said Kentucky coach John Calipari. "It's stupid. If this is about the kids, then that's the last thing this is about."

    So basically if a kid is uncertain he should go ahead and stay and take the next 18 days to decide, correct?

    tWhit

  • hoptownukfan said...

    Huh? They would have an assistant working with him every day on his shot. The NBA makes it a job. Right now, he's only got 20 hours a week with the coaches. In the nba he'd have every minute they wanted. It's a financial decision. If he's outside the top five there is a compelling reason to come back. He can realistically be the top pick next year. If he is a top five pick there isn't any reason for him to come back. See Harrison Barnes and Sullinger as reasons why you don't come back if you are a top 5 pick. They will have cost themselves MILLIONS by not coming back.

    Millions on their initial contract only. How often do you hear that it's not the first contract that sets you up for life but rather the 2nd. They can be drafted to a better team, have less expectations on them, have a longer career and make more bank on their 2nd contract thus not truly costing them anything but rather earning more money and a degree to boot.

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    cobbycobb

  • Hoptown is probably right for about 90% of cases. But we may find out that MKG's situation is a little different.

    tWhit

  • tWhit said...

    Hoptown is probably right for about 90% of cases. But we may find out that MKG's situation is a little different.

    No its not. You just don't find a jump shot. If he does not in say a yr or at most 2 he is gone. Sorry but the truth. Look people over the last 5 yrs. How many players have been drafted in the top 10 and you do not hear about them. MKG has nothing to loose by coming back. Nothing.

    dvillepro1

  • dvillepro1 said...

    tWhit said...

    Hoptown is probably right for about 90% of cases. But we may find out that MKG's situation is a little different.

    No its not. You just don't find a jump shot. If he does not in say a yr or at most 2 he is gone. Sorry but the truth. Look people over the last 5 yrs. How many players have been drafted in the top 10 and you do not hear about them. MKG has nothing to loose by coming back. Nothing.

    Ok. Thanks for that nonsense.

    tWhit

  • MossCat15

  • tWhit said...

    Ok. Thanks for that nonsense.

    LOL

    MossCat15

  • hoptownukfan said...

    Huh? They would have an assistant working with him every day on his shot. The NBA makes it a job. Right now, he's only got 20 hours a week with the coaches. In the nba he'd have every minute they wanted. It's a financial decision. If he's outside the top five there is a compelling reason to come back. He can realistically be the top pick next year. If he is a top five pick there isn't any reason for him to come back. See Harrison Barnes and Sullinger as reasons why you don't come back if you are a top 5 pick. They will have cost themselves MILLIONS by not coming back.

    This. I don't understand how anything can be argued against it. If you are a top-5 pick it is just silly to come back. I dont care what anyone here says, show me a top-5 pick that has come back to school and actually helped there cause.

    MossCat15

  • MossCat15 said...

    This. I don't understand how anything can be argued against it. If you are a top-5 pick it is just silly to come back. I dont care what anyone here says, show me a top-5 pick that has come back to school and actually helped there cause.

    Dude, you know I am a fan of Mosscat, but this is just something we are not gonna agree on. I'm not saying he will be a bust, I'm only sayin he would benefit from another year. There are far more examples of kids not making it and leaving too early than this who worked their assess off to continue developing their games.
    Working on their games everyday cause its their job now? What NBA are you guys watching? These guys travel, rest, practice a bit, play a game and repeat process. College is where games are worked on and developed...not the nba. Your theory makes perfect sence its just isn't the case most times. Again, I'm NOT saying your wrong, just saying he would be a better pro should he return.

    Btw, there are TONS of examples of those who stayed and improved and this who shouldve left. Heres a few over the years who stayed another year and it didn't hurt them at all;

    Hakeem The dream
    Clyde Drexler
    Patrick Ewing
    Alonzo Mourning
    Chris Webber
    Juwan Howard
    Jalen Rose
    Jay Williams (didn't effect his draft...tragedgy hurt him)
    Carlos Boozer
    Joakim Noah
    Al Horford
    Keith van Horn
    Tim Duncan
    Some dude named Michel Jordan...

    Now we could go back in forth naming players to argue each case, history is full of both, but this is about MKG. All I'm saying is there is a better chance of him being a better long term pro by returning than leaving. That's all I'm saying. He may lose money on the front end but imo would make that money up on the back end.

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    tommy

  • dvillepro1 said...

    tWhit said...

    Hoptown is probably right for about 90% of cases. But we may find out that MKG's situation is a little different.

    No its not. You just don't find a jump shot. If he does not in say a yr or at most 2 he is gone. Sorry but the truth. Look people over the last 5 yrs. How many players have been drafted in the top 10 and you do not hear about them. MKG has nothing to loose by coming back. Nothing.

    This may be the most clueless post I've ever read, if MKG never develops a reliable jumpshot he will still play 12 years in the NBA unless there's an injury. I believe Rondo is earning a good deal of money despite a less than wonderful jump shot.....

    QueenLizzysWild

  • QueenLizzysWildcat said...

    This may be the most clueless post I've ever read, if MKG never develops a reliable jumpshot he will still play 12 years in the NBA unless there's an injury. I believe Rondo is earning a good deal of money despite a less than wonderful jump shot.....

    I agree. Despite how I feel (that MKG should return) I still believe he will have a solid NBA career. I just think another year makes him a better pro. But MKG will be successful regardless of what he does.

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    tommy