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Jeff Drummond said...
Good point. Even more than he was so adamant about it (which was backed by other program insiders) and now this report that he's changed his mind. Very odd. Makes you wonder if Cal is getting feedback that says he's top 5 or 6 for sure and in turn is telling MKG that he doesn't need to risk coming back.
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CarlLexington said...
I was pretty hot when the original story came out. I've calmed down a bit now. He's young and has the right to change his mind. I am just curious about the change of heart. If it was really him or if Cal talked him into leaving. If that's the case I'm going to have a big problem with Cal.
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wildcatknh said...
The NCAA rule is not a deadline to ENTER your name in the draft ... it's a deadline to REMOVE your name from the draft list once it's already been added. Huge difference.
Assuming they're eligible for the NBA draft, athletes can ask the NBA to add them to the draft list at any time before the NBA deadline (this year April 29th).
If you never put your name on the list to start with, you keep all your remaining college eligibility.
No matter when you put your name on the list ... you only have until the day before the NLI signing period begins (this year April 10th) to remove your name from the draft list and keep your remaining college eligibility (assuming you haven't already hired an agent).
There is no ignoring the NCAA rule ... if your name is on the draft list after the NCAA deadline (whether you added it on February 1st or April 20th), you lose all remaining college eligibility.
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BigTyrone said...
The NCAA rule is a deadline to enter your name into the draft. It has changed and doesn't work like it used to. I'm linking an Andy Katz blog piece (from yesterday). There is no removing your name from the pool before April 29th as far as the NBA is concerned. If you decide on April 28th (after telling your school and the NCAA that you're coming back) that you want move on to the NBA, you just have to notify on that date. The April 10th deadline is a joke that any player can easily get around.
Here's an excerpt from Katz's blog post:
An underclassman can say on April 10 that he's returning to school, but he can still declare for the NBA draft by the league's April 29 deadline. The NBA doesn't acknowledge the April 10 date and will only put out an underclassmen list for prospective teams on May 2, after its own deadline and not the NCAA's.
That means someone like North Carolina's Harrison Barnes could tell coach Roy Williams that he's coming back to school, but then after potentially talking to agents for two weeks, he could declare for the draft without any problem.
"It's the dumbest thing ever," said Kentucky coach John Calipari. "It's stupid. If this is about the kids, then that's the last thing this is about."
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BigTyrone said...
I understand that. But there's nothing stopping a player from waiting until April 28th to declare, correct? It's my understanding that all a player would have to do is not declare until sometime after the 10th, making the NCAA deadline irrelevant.
Let's pick up this discussion again on April 3rd.
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BigTyrone said...
The NCAA rule is a deadline to enter your name into the draft. It has changed and doesn't work like it used to. I'm linking an Andy Katz blog piece (from yesterday). There is no removing your name from the pool before April 29th as far as the NBA is concerned. If you decide on April 28th (after telling your school and the NCAA that you're coming back) that you want move on to the NBA, you just have to notify on that date. The April 10th deadline is a joke that any player can easily get around.
Here's an excerpt from Katz's blog post:
An underclassman can say on April 10 that he's returning to school, but he can still declare for the NBA draft by the league's April 29 deadline. The NBA doesn't acknowledge the April 10 date and will only put out an underclassmen list for prospective teams on May 2, after its own deadline and not the NCAA's.
That means someone like North Carolina's Harrison Barnes could tell coach Roy Williams that he's coming back to school, but then after potentially talking to agents for two weeks, he could declare for the draft without any problem.
"It's the dumbest thing ever," said Kentucky coach John Calipari. "It's stupid. If this is about the kids, then that's the last thing this is about."
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hoptownukfan said...
Huh? They would have an assistant working with him every day on his shot. The NBA makes it a job. Right now, he's only got 20 hours a week with the coaches. In the nba he'd have every minute they wanted. It's a financial decision. If he's outside the top five there is a compelling reason to come back. He can realistically be the top pick next year. If he is a top five pick there isn't any reason for him to come back. See Harrison Barnes and Sullinger as reasons why you don't come back if you are a top 5 pick. They will have cost themselves MILLIONS by not coming back.
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dvillepro1 said...
tWhit said...
Hoptown is probably right for about 90% of cases. But we may find out that MKG's situation is a little different.
No its not. You just don't find a jump shot. If he does not in say a yr or at most 2 he is gone. Sorry but the truth. Look people over the last 5 yrs. How many players have been drafted in the top 10 and you do not hear about them. MKG has nothing to loose by coming back. Nothing.
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hoptownukfan said...
Huh? They would have an assistant working with him every day on his shot. The NBA makes it a job. Right now, he's only got 20 hours a week with the coaches. In the nba he'd have every minute they wanted. It's a financial decision. If he's outside the top five there is a compelling reason to come back. He can realistically be the top pick next year. If he is a top five pick there isn't any reason for him to come back. See Harrison Barnes and Sullinger as reasons why you don't come back if you are a top 5 pick. They will have cost themselves MILLIONS by not coming back.
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dvillepro1 said...
tWhit said...
Hoptown is probably right for about 90% of cases. But we may find out that MKG's situation is a little different.
No its not. You just don't find a jump shot. If he does not in say a yr or at most 2 he is gone. Sorry but the truth. Look people over the last 5 yrs. How many players have been drafted in the top 10 and you do not hear about them. MKG has nothing to loose by coming back. Nothing.
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