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  • Chiuk said...

    Again....playing Towles yesterday, so he can sit the bench the rest of the season after Smith comes back next week? You, as a head coach, would have burned Towles' RS against the Gators yesterday? Is that what you're telling me/us?

    I'm not trying to be jerk here at all either....just to be clear about my tone here (which can get lost in translation). I just think if Towles can see the bigger picture here, he'd understand that not playing yesterday was in his best interest.

    Completely agree. Go back and read my post. Just saying that some of this stuff from the Towles camp and other players on twitter is coming out because the team is playing so poorly and these kids think they can play better than some of the guys in front of them.

    tWhit

  • Chiuk said...

    The fact that Max Smith wasn't highly recruited has zero to do with his current ability as a starting QB for UK.

    As for his stats....of course it wasn't against SEC competition. (and the fact that you pointed this out is a very predictable - be damned if you do, be damned if you don't, type of response). The very clear point I'm making, is that Towles would not have been able to put those numbers up against those same 3 teams as a True Freshman this fall.

    Sorry, but there should be zero QB controversey here. We, as a fanbase, need to understand that there doesn't always have to be a perpetual QB controversey. If we don't get greedy, we could have Smith, Smith, Smith, Towles, Towles for the next 5 seasons. Let that one sink in.

    Smith is one helluva QB.....your refusal to acknowledge that is b/c of your blind allegiance to a highly recruited KY kid. Towles will be good when it's his turn....but I guarantee you he's not as good as Smith is right now.

    Smith is a good QB who the players like but your assessment that he is one hell of a QB is way over the top. He has to win games to be "one hell of a QB". And beating the likes of Kent State matters "0". Putting up numbers against weak teams means nothing and don't forget, his stats came down to earth against Western. Smith has to win games. Period. That is the only measuring stick when you call someone "one hell of a QB".

    Now Towles may be pissed and that's fine but anyone who has faith in Joker to deal with this or any other QB situation is foolish. I want the player that gives UK the best chance to win to play. I don't think very many people thought that Newton was the man against Florida. And the team just folded.

    Now this week USCjr. comes to town and we can have this debate again after that game. I assume a healthy Smith will be playing.

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    mrhotdice

  • mrhotdice said...

    Smith is a good QB who the players like but your assessment that he is one hell of a QB is way over the top. He has to win games to be "one hell of a QB". And beating the likes of Kent State matters "0". Putting up numbers against weak teams means nothing and don't forget, his stats came down to earth against Western. Smith has to win games. Period. That is the only measuring stick when you call someone "one hell of a QB".

    Now Towles may be pissed and that's fine but anyone who has faith in Joker to deal with this or any other QB situation is foolish. I want the player that gives UK the best chance to win to play. I don't think very many people thought that Newton was the man against Florida. And the team just folded.

    Now this week USCjr. comes to town and we can have this debate again after that game. I assume a healthy Smith will be playing.

    He's a helluva QB. He's got guts. He stands in the pocket. This is not over the top. He's only been on campus 21 months (Jan 2011)....and he's going to get better over the next 2.5 years.

    Remember ... Woodson took until his RS Junior year before things clicked.

    Give Smith some credit......

    Chiuk

  • jeffries123 said...

    Smith looked like a helluva quarterback throwing 4 picks against mighty western. I think Smith is a serviceable qb right now with some potential. I think we will be able to tell more about him in the coming weeks against stiffer competition. He's along way from being woodson or couch right now.

    Lol. Look at Woodson's stats his RS soph year. Smith already has more TD passes in three games than Woddson did his entire RS Soph year (6). Smith also already has more than half of Woodson's passing yards that year (like 1600 or so, i believe). Again, in only 3 games......

    Go ahead and keep on convincing yourselves that Smith isnt a "gamechanger" and isnt a good QB all in the hopes that somehow Towles gets to play.....that seems to be the vibe Im getting from those around here who are somehow not happy with Smith at Qb. Its laughable actually.

    Again, this all boils down to one kid being from KY (Towles) and the other not being from KY.

    This post was edited by Chiuk on 9/24/2012 at 9:42 AM

    Chiuk

  • How in the HELL did a question to Matt about which player(s), if any, are rumored to be looking at transferring turn into a Smith vs. Towles debate? My Lord, people. Please maintain some sense of focus on the question posted instead of turning every thread into a 2-3 page argument about whether Towles, our FOURTH STRING QB, should have had his redshirt burned at The Swamp the other day.

    mjdotson

  • mjdotson said...

    How in the HELL did a question to Matt about which player(s), if any, are rumored to be looking at transferring turn into a Smith vs. Towles debate? My Lord, people. Please maintain some sense of focus on the question posted instead of turning every thread into a 2-3 page argument about whether Towles, our FOURTH STRING QB, should have had his redshirt burned at The Swamp the other day.

    Amen! No one outside of coaching staff has seen Towles in action, yet people "know what should have been done". Geeeeeze!!

    This post was edited by 1003blue on 9/24/2012 at 10:31 AM

    1003blue

  • mjdotson said...

    How in the HELL did a question to Matt about which player(s), if any, are rumored to be looking at transferring turn into a Smith vs. Towles debate? My Lord, people. Please maintain some sense of focus on the question posted instead of turning every thread into a 2-3 page argument about whether Towles, our FOURTH STRING QB, should have had his redshirt burned at The Swamp the other day.

    lol

    The other day I was in a thread and some were concerned about people transferring if Joker got the boot. It's starting to look like perhaps we should be concerned about transfers if he doesn't get the boot. Of course this transfer story is just a rumor until proof is shown. Who knows what the hell is really going on behind the scenes.

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  • mrhotdice said...

    Before handing the team to a QB who was never recruited, lets see how he does when he actually plays against SEC school. Who cares what he does against the Kent States of the world and the other 2 games he lost.

    He is injury prone to say the least and if you think about it for just a minute, UK biggest win last year was against Tennessee and who played QB in that game?

    That's rediculous, I dare to say that if Smith had been healthy and in the game he would have hit an open Collins or an open King for possible TDs. AND, as far as being recruited, I believe Morgan Newton was HEAVILY recruited and where did that get us Saturday...I still wonder what would have happened if Smith was healthy, I mean UF's secondary had been getting scorched this year

    stonewall011

  • mjdotson said...

    How in the HELL did a question to Matt about which player(s), if any, are rumored to be looking at transferring turn into a Smith vs. Towles debate? My Lord, people. Please maintain some sense of focus on the question posted instead of turning every thread into a 2-3 page argument about whether Towles, our FOURTH STRING QB, should have had his redshirt burned at The Swamp the other day.

    Yes!

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  • Chiuk said...

    Max Smith doesnt have "prototype size"? (He does). He actually also has the tools, and the leadership/moxie you want in a QB as well. But if you cant see that Smith, only a true soph, is a good QB who is going to get even better then there's not much I can do to change your mind. We're obviously on two different zones here....

    It seems obvious however, that what this is about is one kid is from KY, and the other kid (who has almost 1000 passing yards in 3 games, 8 TDs, and is 3rd in the nation in completion rate at 73%) is not. Thats all i can think of ...

    .Hell Max Smith is among the nation's leading passers so far this year (#1 in SEC passing yards, TDs and again, completion rate) and yet some of you refuse to open your eyes to his ability. I dont give a crap if those passes are bubble screens (very difficult play to hit ur receiver so quickly and accurately btw) or not...Towles would be running the same offense. And he wouldnt be putting up thise numbers. And remember, Tim Couch every UK fan's golden boy, threw these same bubble screens, etc. So dont try and downplay Smith's success in this offense.

    So yes, Smith's a "helluva" QB....it's a shame you and other folks cant or refuse to acknowledge that.

    Damn. Didn't realize you gave birth to Max. Didn't say he didn't have perfect size, didn't say anything negative against him. Just said it was too soon to be calling him a "Great QB." I wanna see him stretch the field more and hit the deep pass against SEC comp. As for being in Towles' "camp?" I'm not in anybody's "camp." I'm for letting things unfold and see how it shakes out. Maybe Smith is great, maybe Towles is better, maybe Whitlow is the best of the lot. Its too early though to say that Smith is in an unassailable position and no one can challenge him the next three years. You however are clearly in the "camp" of 'Tetchy Lil Buggers who need to take a pill, have a nice lie down and chill tF out'.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by bluedynasty on 9/24/2012 at 12:15 PM

    bluedynasty

  • mjdotson said...

    How in the HELL did a question to Matt about which player(s), if any, are rumored to be looking at transferring turn into a Smith vs. Towles debate? My Lord, people. Please maintain some sense of focus on the question posted instead of turning every thread into a 2-3 page argument about whether Towles, our FOURTH STRING QB, should have had his redshirt burned at The Swamp the other day.

    Sorry - didn't realize there were rules about what can be discussed.....

    But I'll tell you how it spiraled into the Towles v Smith debate. It started about a potential/possible transfer of a freshman, who may or may not be Towles. Which then led to a debate of why he needs to RS, and needs to accept that......part of that debate of why he needs to accept his status as a RS is understanding (as well as Towles' dad) that Smith is a good QB.

    But I gotta admit - as hard as this thread was for you to read (evidently it was), I have an even harder time trying to figure out the people who think Towles should have played Saturday. The bottom line though: if he's unhappy about his current place on the UK roster, there are a couple of ways to handle it. If he chooses the easy way and transfers out, that's his perogative....but you know people are going to lay false blame on the staff (who have many reasons to be blamed, but this particular issue isn't one of them) if Towles decided to transfer.

    So, ultimately, all of this is relevant to the OP in my opinion.

    Chiuk

  • Chiuck I don't give a damn if towles plays or not. Personally I think Smith is the best qb on the roster. But to act like he great is crazy. He's average at best right now. Woodson was average his sophomore year but he got a lot better.

    jeffries123

  • jeffries123 said...

    Chiuck I don't give a damn if towles plays or not. Personally I think Smith is the best qb on the roster. But to act like he great is crazy. He's average at best right now. Woodson was average his sophomore year but he got a lot better.

    See my above post about Smith v Woodson and stats their soph years (True Soph v. RS Soph). Also, like Woodson, Smith will get better too.

    Chiuk

  • bluedynasty said...

    Damn. Didn't realize you gave birth to Max. Didn't say he didn't have perfect size, didn't say anything negative against him. Just said it was too soon to be calling him a "Great QB." I wanna see him stretch the field more and hit the deep pass against SEC comp. As for being in Towles' "camp?" I'm not in anybody's "camp." I'm for letting things unfold and see how it shakes out. Maybe Smith is great, maybe Towles is better, maybe Whitlow is the best of the lot. Its too early though to say that Smith is in an unassailable position and no one can challenge him the next three years. You however are clearly in the "camp" of 'Tetchy Lil Buggers who need to take a pill, have a nice lie down and chill tF out'.

    No, I'm just sick of UK football fans always clamoring for the guy on the bench, when the starter is clearly doing a more than capable job. Haven't you noticed that there has been a perpetual QB controversey around here for the last 5-6 years? It's maddening.....

    Chiuk

  • jeffries123 said...

    Smith looked like a helluva quarterback throwing 4 picks against mighty western. I think Smith is a serviceable qb right now with some potential. I think we will be able to tell more about him in the coming weeks against stiffer competition. He's along way from being woodson or couch right now.

    A wise bit of caution.

    poliglotcat

  • poliglotcat said...

    A wise bit of caution.

    We'll see I guess. But yes, I do agree that the competition is much harder in the coming weeks.

    Chiuk

  • That's why in my original post I said he had potential. Clearly he's the best qb on the roster I never said otherwise. Just saying I think UK fans are making him out to be better than he is right now.

    jeffries123

  • Max Smith is pretty good and in fact about as good as any young QB in the SEC. I don't know how he could have done more. When he was healthy they called a pass on 80% of the plays and he had no running game to balance his passing. It was inevitable that he was going to get knocked out. We are like a kid with a sucker in one hand and ice cream in the other. We taste the sucker, find out it is sweet and never try the ice cream. Back to the subject, if you don't see a remarkable talent in Smith I think you are really trying not to see it. SEC wins is not a reasonable judge of a QB's ability. That is NFL talk where talent is pretty equal and you can go pick up guys over the weekend. This is UK where the talent and coaching are on a little different level.

    zcats

  • His lone win this year is Kent St. He also threw 4 picks against western. Any way you look at it that's bad. He's not very mobile either which isn't a requirements but it helps. Just think he's overrated at the moment.

    jeffries123

  • I can see both sides here. But I will say when Woodson himself said Smith was further along at this same stage of their careers , that was a pretty big endorsement in my mind.

    footballcat65

  • jeffries123 said...

    His lone win this year is Kent St. He also threw 4 picks against western. Any way you look at it that's bad. He's not very mobile either which isn't a requirements but it helps. Just think he's overrated at the moment.

    I am in Smith's corner and I am pretty much in the corner of any player on the field. With that said, I pose this question...what would you all be saying if it was Newton that was 1 - 2, had lost to UofL, 4 picks against a mediocare Mac team Kent State, and loss to WKU? I know the answer to my own question. My point being we beat up one guy and praise another when the stats really show Smith has yet to prove himself against SEC competition. Now I hope Smith does prove himself and I beleive Max has a lot of potential to be really good, but let's not get the cart before the horse here.

    1003blue

  • mrhotdice said...

    Before handing the team to a QB who was never recruited, lets see how he does when he actually plays against SEC school. Who cares what he does against the Kent States of the world and the other 2 games he lost.

    He is injury prone to say the least and if you think about it for just a minute, UK biggest win last year was against Tennessee and who played QB in that game?

    That's so true. Why does no one ever comment on Smith's tendency to get injured?
    Towles shoud red shirt this year and be ready to play a lot when Smith gets injured.
    I dudn't see anything redeemable in our number two on Saturday and if you say it is because he didn't know the offense, that worries me even more. It's almost October for crying out loud.

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