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  • Still blows my mind that any AD at UK would keep his job after hiring BCG. It's beyond ridiculous now.

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    Nate87

  • hoptownukfan said...

    Absolutely. That means we win 3 in the sec. It will take a huge turnaround between now and then but if we get 5 wins that means joker rallied the troops and turned things around this year.

    We can't ignore the youth in the program. Consider who made the biggest plays down the stretch against wku. As of today I predict joker will lose his job. I can't see 5 wins if We continue to turn the ball over.

    The fan in me wants to think thats possible so the rest of the season will still be interesting but its hard to see it happening. Anything is possible but we need impressive wins and I don't see them happening.

    tWhit

  • Matt May said...

    No matter what Barnhart says right now he's going to get criticized. If he shows moderate support, he'll get blasted. If he rips the situation, he'll get blasted. He needs to worry about how he moves forward, not satisfying people who want blood. Nothing he says right now means much of anything in terms of where they go next. He needs to worry about what the end game is, not what people want to hear on Sept. 16.

    Mitch just needs to be honest, both public and private. By him saying that having a non-competitive football team is unacceptable is fine. He can also say that the team came screaming back off the canvas to tie the desperate situation at end of game and was fighting, competitively.

    The real situation for Mitch will be keeping a tight lip after the inevitable ass-kickings we are about to take from not only the leagues' elite but the middling programs.

    I predict Mitch will lower the curtain on the Joker era after MSU hangs 50 on us.

    Kooky Kats 247

  • For all the good, if not great things Mitch has done for UKs athletic department - it seems that he has not grown into the role as a full-blown, big time AD. His administrative skills and managment are impeccable. The hires of coaches for the non-revenue sports have been nothing short of excellent.... Budgets are kept in the black... ALL of theses skills he honed as an Asst AD at Tennessee.

    The skillset clubs he is admittedly missing in the golfbag are fundraising/relationship building and being a shmoozy appeasing personality to the big time sports' diva coaches. It seems that Mitch doesn't have a front-of-house personality or he just prefers to stay in his comfort zone : back of house operations.

    Right now, he should be assembling an interview conga-line of football coaching candidates from the list of behind the scenes buddies. That list should have been drafted 1 1/2 years ago. However, this is NOT a reality. There is no plan. There is no direction other than faith in the course taken 3 years ago.

    So, no major facility upgrade plans, 60% stadium capacity during great weather games you're supposed to win, a coach who can't tell you why there are craters deep of worthless talent in the upperclass / inexperience on the roster... Total institutional failure.

    I pray Mitch realizes his outward deficiencies and assembles a competent committee to assist him to not only prepare a comprehensive list of coaching candidates, but a honeypot plan to reel in the great white whale this program so desperately needs and DESERVES.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Kooky Kats 247 on 9/18/2012 at 6:31 AM

    Kooky Kats 247

  • Nate87 said...

    Still blows my mind that any AD at UK would keep his job after hiring BCG. It's beyond ridiculous now.

    Yup. Got a contract extension afterwards instead.

    JHB4UK

  • JHB4UK said...

    Yup. Got a contract extension afterwards instead.

    That's just stupid and you guys know it. Ever AD makes mistakes. Makes bad hires. It's how he HANDLES THOSE MISTAKES that gleens light on how effective they are. How did he handle it? He bit the bullet, admited the mistake and fired his ass. Then he turned around and hit a homerun.

    And for those who think we should have hired Cal two years before... Turns out it was a great decision to not hire him. Why? Because teh Derek rose situation would have followed him to UK.

    hoptownukfan

  • Kooky Kats 247 said...

    For all the good, if not great things Mitch has done for UKs athletic department - it seems that he has not grown into the role as a full-blown, big time AD. His administrative skills and managment are impeccable. The hires of coaches for the non-revenue sports have been nothing short of excellent.... Budgets are kept in the black... ALL of theses skills he honed as an Asst AD at Tennessee.

    The skillset clubs he is admittedly missing in the golfbag are fundraising/relationship building and being a shmoozy appeasing personality to the big time sports' diva coaches. It seems that Mitch doesn't have a front-of-house personality or he just prefers to stay in his comfort zone : back of house operations.

    Right now, he should be assembling an interview conga-line of football coaching candidates from the list of behind the scenes buddies. That list should have been drafted 1 1/2 years ago. However, this is NOT a reality. There is no plan. There is no direction other than faith in the course taken 3 years ago.

    So, no major facility upgrade plans, 60% stadium capacity during great weather games you're supposed to win, a coach who can't tell you why there are craters deep of worthless talent in the upperclass / inexperience on the roster... Total institutional failure.

    I pray Mitch realizes his outward deficiencies and assembles a competent committee to assist him to not only prepare a comprehensive list of coaching candidates, but a honeypot plan to reel in the great white whale this program so desperately needs and DESERVES.

    Fair assesment in the first half, you left out major facts that have to be included when discussing fundraising and budget constraints in the second half.

    Every program you compare mitch too, including louisville are able to bond projects themselves. Louisville has not spent the money on actual academic and medical facilities that UK has. They have used their bonding capacity for athletics. UofL also takes a big chunk of money from their students to fund their athletic department.

    It's much easier to "match the state's money" with private donations or pledges for seat licenses then it is to raise straight cash to pay for huge projects. That's what bama has done along with tennessee and other programs. They get the state to put up a big chunk of the money, sometimes all of it, then the schools get pledges, not checks in hand, for over the next 15 years to pay the money back. In tennessee's case, I know exactly how they financed the suites. They went to the state and got the money. Then they went to donors and asked them to sign 15 year contracts for suites and tickets. That paid for the project. Barnhart doesn't have that luxury.

    hoptownukfan

  • I disagree. Of the two major sports he's made four hires. One he had to have a team led by Mike Pratt basically make the hire for him. BCG was a disaster and the coach in waiting has been a disaster so far. So he's one good hire vs. two bad.

    I guess we can just agree to disagree Hop.

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    Nate87

  • hoptownukfan said...

    That's just stupid and you guys know it. Ever AD makes mistakes. Makes bad hires. It's how he HANDLES THOSE MISTAKES that gleens light on how effective they are. How did he handle it? He bit the bullet, admited the mistake and fired his ass. Then he turned around and hit a homerun.

    A lot of UK fans think he didnt swing the stick 3 years ago. He sat in the dugout and watched adults hit the dinger instead.

    Do you think the hiring of Joker Phillips can be classified as a mistake? A bad hire? If not now, if we reach 7 losses this season? And if so, is having 2 big mistakes, 2 bad hires in the 2 major sports pretty lousey for an AD to have on his resume?

    JHB4UK

  • JHB4UK said...

    A lot of UK fans think he didnt swing the stick 3 years ago. He sat in the dugout and watched adults hit the dinger instead.

    Do you think the hiring of Joker Phillips can be classified as a mistake? A bad hire? If not now, if we reach 7 losses this season? And if so, is having 2 big mistakes, 2 bad hires in the 2 major sports pretty lousey for an AD to have on his resume?

    You have the luxury of hindsight. Every major AD has made mistakes. At the time the BCG hiring was very popular. If we had hired Cal at the time and the rose situation had followed him we would have been in AWFUL shape.

    At the time, the joker move was very popular. The book on Joker is not finished. We'll know within 4 weeks. If it doesn't work out then it doesn't work out. IT doesn't mean a "mistake" was made. Barnhart oversaw the most success in football in the last 50 years. If you're going to hold him accountable for one coach you have to give him credit for the other.

    hoptownukfan

  • Nate87 said...

    I disagree. Of the two major sports he's made four hires. One he had to have a team led by Mike Pratt basically make the hire for him. BCG was a disaster and the coach in waiting has been a disaster so far. So he's one good hire vs. two bad.

    I guess we can just agree to disagree Hop.

    The Mike Pratt issue is blown WAY out of proportion. Barnhart deserves credit for allowing PRatt to be involved in the process not criticism. In terms of your assertion that he "had a team lead by mike pratt basically make the hire for him" is false. Not true. Lee Todd and Mitch Barnhart made the decision.

    hoptownukfan

  • hoptownukfan said...

    The Mike Pratt issue is blown WAY out of proportion. Barnhart deserves credit for allowing PRatt to be involved in the process not criticism. In terms of your assertion that he "had a team lead by mike pratt basically make the hire for him" is false. Not true. Lee Todd and Mitch Barnhart made the decision.

    All of those points are mute at this point. The agenda item at hand is hiring the brightest football mind possible that can bring back some excitement to the Cats football season. UK needs about $100 million in improvments to get to the middle of the pack in the SEC as far as facilities and that is agenda item 1A. The past is the past.

    We have Cal in basketball. Let's find his match for football.

    usa1000

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    Chris Fisher

  • usa1000 said...

    All of those points are mute at this point. The agenda item at hand is hiring the brightest football mind possible that can bring back some excitement to the Cats football season. UK needs about $100 million in improvments to get to the middle of the pack in the SEC as far as facilities and that is agenda item 1A. The past is the past.

    We have Cal in basketball. Let's find his match for football.

    Actualy, Mitch told myself and a few others that he needs 200-250 million just to get CWS up to where it needs to be.

    MinterWonderlnd

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    bigbluerules

  • Nate87 said...

    I disagree. Of the two major sports he's made four hires. One he had to have a team led by Mike Pratt basically make the hire for him. BCG was a disaster and the coach in waiting has been a disaster so far. So he's one good hire vs. two bad.

    I guess we can just agree to disagree Hop.

    And he really doesn't deserve full credit for Brooks! He got lucky with Brooks, because his efforts failed and Brooks came in to save him. I often wonder what might have happened if Brooks hadn't offered to take over? Where would Mitch have gone? He obviously had found himself stuck in a bad place with knowhere to go. Anyone who tries to argue that Mitch has done a compitent job of making big hires is just not looking at the facts!

    And no HOP, the CIW thing was not very popular. The fanbase was actually quite divided on it, and I'd say more were against it. Any given Sat at Commonwealth, you could hear a large portion of the fanbase cursing at Joker for his play calling as a coordinator throughout the game. Many felt he was in over his head as a coordinator, and thought it would get even worse when he became a HC. If Brooks had not "recomended" him, I don't think hardly anyone would have gone for it.

    This post was edited by Catmando on 9/18/2012 at 1:05 PM

    Catmando

  • If they get smashed the next 4-5 games in embarrassing fashion, they may make a change.. Otherwise, all of you guys just need to wait for the mediocre replacement to come in after seasons end and start over the process of getting uk back to the promise land of 3, possibly 4 SEC wins... I mean, wake up fellas, Tennessee!!!!! They could only get Derek Dooley... But yeah, Kentucky will get a big name, lol. I just hope they finish the season strong, still lots of football left, and I already got my season tix:)

    shepp2700

  • Chris Fisher said...

    Think there are a lot more factors that go into it than just black and white wins/losses.

    I think the ONLY thing that matters is empty seats. If we only have one win at midseason, I don't see how MB cannot pull the trigger, and I think he will, maybe sooner if he gets heat from the right boosters.

    This post was edited by ukblueforever on 9/18/2012 at 1:25 PM

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  • Catmando said...

    And he really doesn't deserve full credit for Brooks! He got lucky with Brooks, because his efforts failed and Brooks came in to save him. I often wonder what might have happened if Brooks hadn't offered to take over? Where would Mitch have gone? He obviously had found himself stuck in a bad place with knowhere to go. Anyone who tries to argue that Mitch has done a compitent job of making big hires is just not looking at the facts!

    And no HOP, the CIW thing was not very popular. The fanbase was actually quite divided on it, and I'd say more were against it. Any given Sat at Commonwealth, you could hear a large portion of the fanbase cursing at Joker for his play calling as a coordinator throughout the game. Many felt he was in over his head as a coordinator, and thought it would get even worse when he became a HC. If Brooks had not "recomended" him, I don't think hardly anyone would have gone for it.

    Thanks for making my point. You hold him accountable for mistakes but don't give credit for succes.

    In terms of people being mad at Joker. I heard somebody complaining during the kent state game about play calling. You can't please everybody.
    Again. Hindsight. It's a luxury.

    Read Chris's post.

    hoptownukfan

  • The team plays hard for joker thats not an issue for me. The problem is we have zero talent on defense. And that comes down to recruiting which is a major part of being a head coach. You cannot win in this league with 2 and 3 star talent you just cant. Its naive to think are coaches can take inferior talent and coach them up to be better than players at schools who have some of the highest paid and top offensive and defensive coaches around.

    quagmire

  • this team will be lucky to win 3.

    quagmire

  • quagmire said...

    The team plays hard for joker thats not an issue for me. The problem is we have zero talent on defense. And that comes down to recruiting which is a major part of being a head coach. You cannot win in this league with 2 and 3 star talent you just cant. Its naive to think are coaches can take inferior talent and coach them up to be better than players at schools who have some of the highest paid and top offensive and defensive coaches around.

    So you honestly think this team comes out of the gate playing hard?

    rob65

  • hoptownukfan said...

    Thanks for making my point. You hold him accountable for mistakes but don't give credit for succes.

    In terms of people being mad at Joker. I heard somebody complaining during the kent state game about play calling. You can't please everybody. Again. Hindsight. It's a luxury.

    Read Chris's post.

    I didn't really make your point at all. Mitch never approached Brooks to ask if he was interested. Brooks inquired, and because Mitch had nobody else, he went with him. That is not success. That is luck.

    Catmando

  • rob65 said...

    So you honestly think this team comes out of the gate playing hard?

    No touchdowns since UT in Nov 2010. 16 straight games. 2 against WKU, 2 against UL, Cent Mich, Jac State,Kent St among the 16. Kind of amazing how in a game of emotion and adrenaline UK starts the game just lifeless and listless.

    JHB4UK