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Morgan Newton

  • CampbellSoup07 said...

    Idk either I just thought I'd ask...whether he plays or not I have respect for the kid and he has a great attitude IMO.

    I'm not sure I'd agree with you on the attitude thing, but I don't wanna get into all that because this thread will most def turn into a clusterf___.

    The fanbase was so split over Newton that any time his name comes up people are going to get worked up. I never bought in on Morgan. I'm not sayin he doesn't have the talent or wasn't (or still isn't) capable...I just don't think he will ever have enough support on or off the field to ever be the starter again.

    The good news however is that unlike in the past, we have some options at the position now and some serious potential.

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  • tommy said...

    I'm not sure I'd agree with you on the attitude thing, but I don't wanna get into all that because this thread will most def turn into a clusterf___.

    The fanbase was so split over Newton that any time his name comes up people are going to get worked up. I never bought in on Morgan. I'm not sayin he doesn't have the talent or wasn't (or still isn't) capable...I just don't think he will ever have enough support on or off the field to ever be the starter again.

    The good news however is that unlike in the past, we have some options at the position now and some serious potential.

    Haha it's fine the only reason I said his attitude was because the few times I've talked to Morgan on campus he's just a nice guy to be around. Probably should've clarified that lol. But I do think I have to give him credit for wanting to stay after last year to battle for a spot whether it be at QB or something. He may end up being a role player in a way he never dreamed of

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  • Newton has what I call no football speed. Just has terrible quickness. Once he gets a full head of steam he's fast but thats about it and it doesn't translate to the field very well.

    He also has no touch on the football. Max Smith is better already. Thats not really saying much but he is.

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  • CampbellSoup07 said...

    Haha it's fine the only reason I said his attitude was because the few times I've talked to Morgan on campus he's just a nice guy to be around. Probably should've clarified that lol. But I do think I have to give him credit for wanting to stay after last year to battle for a spot whether it be at QB or something. He may end up being a role player in a way he never dreamed of

    Very true.

    I had heard that his HS coach has actually talked about him having great potential at either TE or DE during his recruitment his senior year. Not sure how true that is but one things for sure...he's athletic.
    if he's truly committed to contributing to this team and winning then a possible position change could do just that, if so, his story could still have a happy ending.

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  • tommy said...

    Very true.

    I had heard that his HS coach has actually talked about him having great potential at either TE or DE during his recruitment his senior year. Not sure how true that is but one things for sure...he's athletic.
    if he's truly committed to contributing to this team and winning then a possible position change could do just that, if so, his story could still have a happy ending.

    I don't know if I can see him on defense...but TE is a possibility. Pretty solidly built kid so I can see him maybe having success there. Is there anyway we could have a play where he lines up in the slot and he throws it downfield?

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  • CampbellSoup07 said...

    I don't know if I can see him on defense...but TE is a possibility. Pretty solidly built kid so I can see him maybe having success there. Is there anyway we could have a play where he lines up in the slot and he throws it downfield?

    Oh its definitely too late into his career for a move to D line IMO, I was just saying that I had heard his HS coach thought he'd be a good fit then. I really think he has a TE body and is athletic enought as well but his hands and blocking ability would be pretty big question marks.

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  • mrhotdice said...

    D. Ramsey was a football player with quick feet and quicker instincts. Newton has none of these abilities.

    I have to agree. It is not about straight ahead speed. Quickness and ability to make quick decisions made Ramsey outstanding. He was devastating in Curci's option offense. I think Newton is too far along to change positions. I think he either goes through his senior year as a back up or transfers to a school where he can get on the field as a guaranteed starter.

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  • tommy said...

    Oh its definitely too late into his career for a move to D line IMO, I was just saying that I had heard his HS coach thought he'd be a good fit then. I really think he has a TE body and is athletic enought as well but his hands and blocking ability would be pretty big question marks.

    Maybe he could be used for special plays as either a distraction to think he may throw. Or actually throw to catch teams off guard. Love the fact that we have so much potential at the QB position to where we can even have the possibility of our starter at the beginning of last year to be used somewhere else

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  • KyMoverCat said...

    That may be true, Jeff. I just know we need to find a spot for him other than qb. Moving him to the opposite side of the ball is probably too far fetched. However, te makes some since.

    Morgan was by far their best QB in spring and fall camp last year. A lot of what happened with the offense early in 2011 had to do with having an O-Line that was beat to death, WRs that couldn't catch and no running game. Then he goes and plays Florida, LSU and South Carolina and has his confidence completely crushed. He never recovered, mentally or physically.

    He deserves at the very least an opportunity to compete, if he's healthy. And if Maxwell is the best guy, he'll be the one on the field against Louisville. Staff will do the right thing.

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  • The good thing is I actually half way like Newton as our backup QB. I just don't like him as the starter. I haven't completely written him off. Its possible that if a guy goes down he could redeem himself and get us a couple of victories in the process.

    tWhit

  • Jeff Drummond said...

    Morgan was by far their best QB in spring and fall camp last year. A lot of what happened with the offense early in 2011 had to do with having an O-Line that was beat to death, WRs that couldn't catch and no running game. Then he goes and plays Florida, LSU and South Carolina and has his confidence completely crushed. He never recovered, mentally or physically.

    He deserves at the very least an opportunity to compete, if he's healthy. And if Maxwell is the best guy, he'll be the one on the field against Louisville. Staff will do the right thing.

    To me the key part is "was by far their best QB in spring and fall camp last year". To me, Newton appeared to be one of those guys that looks great in a controlled environment like practice, but when it came to live action, he was lost. I also thought at times his body language was terrible on the field. Even in the early part of the season, when things did not go well he hung his head and did not look confident or like a leader. I wish him the best and if he can get healthy and turn it around, great. I just think that there are better options.

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  • Jeff Drummond said...

    Morgan was by far their best QB in spring and fall camp last year. A lot of what happened with the offense early in 2011 had to do with having an O-Line that was beat to death, WRs that couldn't catch and no running game. Then he goes and plays Florida, LSU and South Carolina and has his confidence completely crushed. He never recovered, mentally or physically.

    He deserves at the very least an opportunity to compete, if he's healthy. And if Maxwell is the best guy, he'll be the one on the field against Louisville. Staff will do the right thing.

    Agreed. While Morgan was not the best he could be, the supporting cast on offense was as bad as it could possibly be. The OL being hurt throughout camp sealed the offense's death certificate, IMO. They were never able to gel and get a rhythm as a unit. Nothing else worked as a result, at least early on.

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  • tWhit said...

    Newton has what I call no football speed. Just has terrible quickness. Once he gets a full head of steam he's fast but thats about it and it doesn't translate to the field very well.

    He also has no touch on the football. Max Smith is better already. Thats not really saying much but he is.

    This is true. Once he gets a head of steam (see WKU run), his top end speed is scootin. But if he has to go east-west or change direction at all, he looks like an 18-wheeler.

    That said, he'll have to play from behind with no spring ball but I think he's the type of kid that by the time fall rolls around, will fight for his position.

    If he's the back-up, I can see some snaps in the Wildcat. How many I'm not sure.

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  • Matt May said...

    But yeah, I was hoping to avoid having the Morgan Newton/Maxwell Smith/Ryan Mossakowski/Mike Hartline message board divisive battle royales at least until spring ball, and hopefully, not for a long, long time.

    Don't think you will have a problem Matt. The number of UK fans who will be advocating Morgan Newton as the starting quarterback in 2012 is pretty small. The debate among fans will be Maxwell Smith or Patrick Towles.

    If Morgan turns it around and wins the job come August I just hope this time Joker keeps his hyperbole to a minimum. Actually he shouldnt say one word beyond the standard coachspeak about any of the quarterbacks this year..."they are out there working hard, showing progress, any of them give us a chance to win, etc"

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  • Great post Jeff,

    And I agree with everything you said. There have been flashes of decent play out of Newton, unfortunately he has not had a good supporting cast around him whether it's from injuries, poor play, or lack of talent. It seems during the Brooks/Phillips era our QB's take a tremendous leap in play in their Jr and Sr yrs. We have no idea how good Newton could've been during this past yr due to the horrid play of the o-line and WR's. Granted he didn't play well, but then again who on offense did....aside from a couple RB's.

    Now he has had surgery which means that he is missing some valuable reps between now and the fall. Smith looked ok at times this past yr. Couple the surgery and decent play out of Smith and it spells potential problems for Newton. He still has the ability to be a back up next yr, take a RS, or potentially compete for the starting role.

    I would not be in favor of switching him to a different position. He only has a yr to learn wherever position he would be assigned to. TE seems to be the only one that he is built for and we already have a huge crop of guys there who know the position way more than he does. Why move him to a position knowing the entire time that he would be buried on the depth chart for his Sr yr? Doesn't make sense. Instead coming off surgery he makes a very capable back-up QB and enables the ability to RS other QB prospects. Now that makes sense.

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  • Jeff Drummond said...

    Morgan isn't as fast as Ramsey was. But who knows...

    He also isn't as fast as our tight ends.

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  • CampbellSoup07 said...

    but should we rule out Newt?

    Yes

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  • How can anyone here doubt Newton could run the "spread" we used at UT with Roark. He can run better than Matt and he can actually throw the ball (although NOT on short routes). Put him in for 10-15% of the plays we run (with an assortment of small/quick RB's and WR's) for a change of pace as we did with Cobb in the "Wildcat". Have him run or hand off most of the time, but throw some long balls as well once D's get stacked in the box. Might lead to some quick scores and use more of the "backups" in a significant way.

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  • Chris Fisher said...

    If he's the back-up, I can see some snaps in the Wildcat. .

    God, I hope not. He needs to redshirt and use the year to figure out and work on another position. Would give him a chance to play an extra year with his brother. If he has a mean streak, might make a good D-end. TE is full.....

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  • I think he is a fine young man who happens to be the worst QB I have seen play at UK in 40 years. He may be able to help out elsewhere, and I hope he can, but I have not thought since the first time I saw him play at this level that he could be successful.

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  • allgeir said...

    I think he is a fine young man who happens to be the worst QB I have seen play at UK in 40 years. He may be able to help out elsewhere, and I hope he can, but I have not thought since the first time I saw him play at this level that he could be successful.

    Worst in 40 years? Kinda harsh don't you think?

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  • jimlowe7 said...

    How can anyone here doubt Newton could run the "spread" we used at UT with Roark. He can run better than Matt and he can actually throw the ball (although NOT on short routes). Put him in for 10-15% of the plays we run (with an assortment of small/quick RB's and WR's) for a change of pace as we did with Cobb in the "Wildcat". Have him run or hand off most of the time, but throw some long balls as well once D's get stacked in the box. Might lead to some quick scores and use more of the "backups" in a significant way.

    His decision making is his downfall. He is entirely to slow in making a decision with the ball. He always seemed one step behind the action not because of foot speed but because he was late in recognizing open receivers or holes to run through.

    mtk4uk

  • I'll take the optimistic view:

    At worst: maybe he is a Chris Relph type QB that we can run the spread and have a limited passing game with. He can be used to change-up the pace or give Smith a blow for a drive or two.

    At Best: through his rehab he learns to actually put a little touch on the ball, refines his technique and becomes a more natural thrower as opposed to guy out throwing BB's at guys 5 yds away.

    I'm not done with the young man and think he can be effective in small doses this year to help us move the ball or change field position by picking up a couple of first downs. Regardless, he seems to be a decent kid, hard worker, good athlete, just hasn't panned out to be the savior at QB for Kentucky.

    I do like Smith's potential as a thrower and love that we signed Towles, this kid looks for real.

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  • Jeff Drummond said...

    Morgan was by far their best QB in spring and fall camp last year. A lot of what happened with the offense early in 2011 had to do with having an O-Line that was beat to death, WRs that couldn't catch and no running game. Then he goes and plays Florida, LSU and South Carolina and has his confidence completely crushed. He never recovered, mentally or physically.

    He deserves at the very least an opportunity to compete, if he's healthy. And if Maxwell is the best guy, he'll be the one on the field against Louisville. Staff will do the right thing.

    I'm certain that the staff will give him every opportunity available to him. I'd love to think I'm wrong, and he ends up as a servicable QB. However, given the track record, I think it's unlikely that he beats Max or even Patrick. My point was only that I think he's likely one of the better athletes on the offensive side of the ball and we certainly need all the help we can get. If he fails to win the QB job, it may be in his and our best interest to try the TE position. Just a thought....

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  • allgeir said...

    I think he is a fine young man who happens to be the worst QB I have seen play at UK in 40 years. He may be able to help out elsewhere, and I hope he can, but I have not thought since the first time I saw him play at this level that he could be successful.

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