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My letter to the NCAA RE: vacated wins

  • For those of you that are interested:

    June 17, 2011

    Mr. Dennis E. Thomas
    Commissioner, Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference
    Chair, NCAA Division I Committee on Infractions
    NCAA
    700 W. Washington Street
    P.O. Box 6222
    Indianapolis, IN 46206-6222

    Dear Mr. Thomas,

    I was interested to read in the NCAA's June 3, 2011 letter to President Lee Todd of the University of Kentucky, "The committee's staff does not have the manpower or the time to retroactively review all instances of vacation made during the 60-year history of the NCAA enforcement program." As a former NCAA athlete, these statements by your organization are concerning. I have rarely heard those in rules enforcement state that while vigorously prosecuting one individual for a minor infraction, that they do not have time to prosecute all individuals who are openly committing the same infractions without apology or explanation.

    I trust that the COI has internet capabilities on at least some of their office computers. If not, perhaps a member can receive reimbursement for using the internet on a home computer. Nevertheless, I would direct the member in charge of conducting this simple research to the website www.google.com. It will be a trusted resource in this process.

    By using the internet and the magic powers of www.google.com, I discovered the following similar fact patterns in recent cases:

    - Conference USA does not mention any vacated wins by John Calipari in their conference records. (http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/c-usa/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/history-records.pdf) According to your ruling in the University of Kentucky case, this is a clear NCAA violation by a member conference.

    - San Diego State University celebrated Steve Fisher's 400th win on January 13, 2011. (http://goaztecs.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/011311aaa.html) However, the NCAA states that Coach Fisher currently only has 341 career coaching wins due to vacated wins while coaching at Michigan. According to your ruling in the University of Kentucky case, this is a clear NCAA violation by a member school.

    - Michael Wilbon, an employee of ESPN which is a corporate partner of the NCAA, inaccurately stated Steve Fisher's win total in a March 18, 2011 column by failing to account for vacated wins at Michigan.
    (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/tournament/2011/columns/story?id=6232643) This is concerning that the NCAA is failing to hold its corporate partner accountable for accurate reporting.

    - The University of Alabama lists Nick Saban has having 139 career wins (http://www.rolltide.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/saban_nick00.html) However, due to vacated wins in the Alabama text book scandal, the NCAA only credits him with 129. According to your ruling in the University of Kentucky case, this is a clear NCAA violation by a member school.

    These examples took me approximately 7 minutes to find, including the time it took me to cut and paste the internet addresses into this letter. These are not hidden sources or low profile coaches. I trust that your crack team of investigators will uncover a treasure trove of other NCAA violations should they be properly motivated.

    The letter to Dr. Todd goes on to further state "if the office of the COI receives any information that an institution is not complying with a penalty, such as the instant case involving Kentucky, it will take action." I trust that this letter qualifies as such information.

    I look forward to your public responses to my in-depth research.

    Sincerely yours,

    Lee C. Weatherly

    cc: Jerry Tipton, Lexington Herald Leader

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    • LeeW said...

      For those of you that are interested:

      June 17, 2011

      Mr. Dennis E. Thomas Commissioner, Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference Chair, NCAA Division I Committee on Infractions NCAA 700 W. Washington Street P.O. Box 6222 Indianapolis, IN 46206-6222

      Dear Mr. Thomas,

      I was interested to read in the NCAA's June 3, 2011 letter to President Lee Todd of the University of Kentucky, "The committee's staff does not have the manpower or the time to retroactively review all instances of vacation made during the 60-year history of the NCAA enforcement program." As a former NCAA athlete, these statements by your organization are concerning. I have rarely heard those in rules enforcement state that while vigorously prosecuting one individual for a minor infraction, that they do not have time to prosecute all individuals who are openly committing the same infractions without apology or explanation.

      I trust that the COI has internet capabilities on at least some of their office computers. If not, perhaps a member can receive reimbursement for using the internet on a home computer. Nevertheless, I would direct the member in charge of conducting this simple research to the website www.google.com. It will be a trusted resource in this process.

      By using the internet and the magic powers of www.google.com, I discovered the following similar fact patterns in recent cases:

      - Conference USA does not mention any vacated wins by John Calipari in their conference records. (http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/c-usa/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/history-records.pdf) According to your ruling in the University of Kentucky case, this is a clear NCAA violation by a member conference.

      - San Diego State University celebrated Steve Fisher's 400th win on January 13, 2011. (http://goaztecs.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/011311aaa.html) However, the NCAA states that Coach Fisher currently only has 341 career coaching wins due to vacated wins while coaching at Michigan. According to your ruling in the University of Kentucky case, this is a clear NCAA violation by a member school.

      - Michael Wilbon, an employee of ESPN which is a corporate partner of the NCAA, inaccurately stated Steve Fisher's win total in a March 18, 2011 column by failing to account for vacated wins at Michigan. (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/tournament/2011/columns/story?id=6232643) This is concerning that the NCAA is failing to hold its corporate partner accountable for accurate reporting.

      - The University of Alabama lists Nick Saban has having 139 career wins (http://www.rolltide.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/saban_nick00.html) However, due to vacated wins in the Alabama text book scandal, the NCAA only credits him with 129. According to your ruling in the University of Kentucky case, this is a clear NCAA violation by a member school.

      These examples took me approximately 7 minutes to find, including the time it took me to cut and paste the internet addresses into this letter. These are not hidden sources or low profile coaches. I trust that your crack team of investigators will uncover a treasure trove of other NCAA violations should they be properly motivated.

      The letter to Dr. Todd goes on to further state "if the office of the COI receives any information that an institution is not complying with a penalty, such as the instant case involving Kentucky, it will take action." I trust that this letter qualifies as such information.

      I look forward to your public responses to my in-depth research.

      Sincerely yours,

      Lee C. Weatherly

      cc: Jerry Tipton, Lexington Herald Leader

      AWESOME! Totally awesome! Well done sir and please update us with any response you may get. bow

        UK FOOTBALL...ON THE RISE

        rgunslinger

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      • Well done, sir. I hope you truly are sending the letter to them.

          mjdotson

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        • Just dropped it in my office out box as I head out for the weekend. Hard copy via snail mail. On its way.

          This post was edited by LeeW on 6/17/2011 at 12:00 PM

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          • Cheers, Lee! That made my afternoon.

              thecheeseuk

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            • Well ... I understand the NCAA's dilemma here ... not many people have heard of this 'Google' thing ...

              whistling

                "They had it before you, they had it during you, they'll have it when you're gone." ... Al McGuire on UK Basketball

                wildcatknh

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              • LeeW said...

                For those of you that are interested:

                June 17, 2011

                Mr. Dennis E. Thomas Commissioner, Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference Chair, NCAA Division I Committee on Infractions NCAA 700 W. Washington Street P.O. Box 6222 Indianapolis, IN 46206-6222

                Dear Mr. Thomas,

                I was interested to read in the NCAA's June 3, 2011 letter to President Lee Todd of the University of Kentucky, "The committee's staff does not have the manpower or the time to retroactively review all instances of vacation made during the 60-year history of the NCAA enforcement program." As a former NCAA athlete, these statements by your organization are concerning. I have rarely heard those in rules enforcement state that while vigorously prosecuting one individual for a minor infraction, that they do not have time to prosecute all individuals who are openly committing the same infractions without apology or explanation.

                I trust that the COI has internet capabilities on at least some of their office computers. If not, perhaps a member can receive reimbursement for using the internet on a home computer. Nevertheless, I would direct the member in charge of conducting this simple research to the website www.google.com. It will be a trusted resource in this process.

                By using the internet and the magic powers of www.google.com, I discovered the following similar fact patterns in recent cases:

                - Conference USA does not mention any vacated wins by John Calipari in their conference records. (http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/c-usa/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/history-records.pdf) According to your ruling in the University of Kentucky case, this is a clear NCAA violation by a member conference.

                - San Diego State University celebrated Steve Fisher's 400th win on January 13, 2011. (http://goaztecs.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/011311aaa.html) However, the NCAA states that Coach Fisher currently only has 341 career coaching wins due to vacated wins while coaching at Michigan. According to your ruling in the University of Kentucky case, this is a clear NCAA violation by a member school.

                - Michael Wilbon, an employee of ESPN which is a corporate partner of the NCAA, inaccurately stated Steve Fisher's win total in a March 18, 2011 column by failing to account for vacated wins at Michigan. (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/tournament/2011/columns/story?id=6232643) This is concerning that the NCAA is failing to hold its corporate partner accountable for accurate reporting.

                - The University of Alabama lists Nick Saban has having 139 career wins (http://www.rolltide.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/saban_nick00.html) However, due to vacated wins in the Alabama text book scandal, the NCAA only credits him with 129. According to your ruling in the University of Kentucky case, this is a clear NCAA violation by a member school.

                These examples took me approximately 7 minutes to find, including the time it took me to cut and paste the internet addresses into this letter. These are not hidden sources or low profile coaches. I trust that your crack team of investigators will uncover a treasure trove of other NCAA violations should they be properly motivated.

                The letter to Dr. Todd goes on to further state "if the office of the COI receives any information that an institution is not complying with a penalty, such as the instant case involving Kentucky, it will take action." I trust that this letter qualifies as such information.

                I look forward to your public responses to my in-depth research.

                Sincerely yours,

                Lee C. Weatherly

                cc: Jerry Tipton, Lexington Herald Leader

                Awesome letter, Lee!

                  _Mike_

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                • thecheeseuk said...

                  Cheers, Lee! That made my afternoon.

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                    Whitaker568

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                  • Thanks, Lee, for writing and sending that letter, and for posting it on here. The favoritism and inconsistency by the NCAA is rediculous and has to be stopped. I would love for the conferences to be able to break away and self-govern. While it wouldn't be perfect, it would have to be better than how the NCAA currently operates.

                      UKcats60

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                    • Outstanding. This 'google' thing may have a future. I would love to hear of any response that you may receive.

                        jmullins00

                      • Great letter, please keep us posted on any responsed even if from Tipton.

                          blueboy

                        • Sa-weet!!!!

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                            alphacat93

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                          • Excellent letter. My only suggestion for improvement would be to seal the envelope with butt crack sweat

                              dj-ky-cat

                            • jmullins00 said...

                              Outstanding. This 'google' thing may have a future. I would love to hear of any response that you may receive.

                              How much does it cost?
                              Can I get a free "trial" to see if I need it?
                              I'm just wondering because my home needs are not that great and I don't want to overpay for some monstrosity with more uses than I will ever take advantage of.

                                rompcat

                              • That is awesome! Well done sir!

                                  catsfan19

                                • attach thi link while you are at it.

                                  UMASS AND CAMBY:

                                  University of Massachusetts Official Athletic Site

                                  The UMass Official Athletic Site, partner of CBS College Sports Networks, Inc. The most comprehensive coverage of UMass Athletics on the web.

                                  www.umassathletics.com

                                  University of Massachusetts Official Athletic Site

                                  The UMass Official Athletic Site, partner of CBS College Sports Networks, Inc. The most comprehensive coverage of UMass Athletics on the web.

                                  www.umassathletics.com

                                    Kataclysm

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                                  • Very nice!

                                      Katonic

                                    • Props to you Mr. Weatherly. Well done.

                                        BELIEVEinBLUE

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                                      • Well done!

                                          UK basketball, we had it before you, during you, and we will have it long after you're gone! Football! Kentucky 10 UT 7! Go Cats!

                                          cobbycobb

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                                        • Great! Your letter is spot on and made my week.

                                            eagle_man

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                                          • Excellent letter, Lee. Now, when will UK do the right thing and put Jerry Tipton on probation until he can cease going to absurd lengths to smear them?

                                            This post was edited by willgabriel on 6/18/2011 at 11:04 PM

                                            • What's the prorated pay they owe ya for those 7 minutes of clerk work? biggrin

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                                              • dj-ky-cat said...

                                                Excellent letter. My only suggestion for improvement would be to seal the envelope with butt crack sweat

                                                I second that...I had plenty extra at Dollywood the other day!

                                                Great letter by the way!

                                                • Lee that was very well done. I hope it was sent registered, receipt required mail. Give him a week and follow up.

                                                  • Since that old venerable bulldog Jerry Tipton received a copy, I am sure that he will aggressively pursue the ncaa to make sure they treat everyone as poorly as they have treated the University of Kentucky and John Calipari.

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                                                      TheProfessor

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