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New baseball stadium in works?

  • I remember the artists rendering for a downtown Lexington baseball field back in the mid 90's, it would have looked fantastic and the siteview inside the stadium were gorgeous

    JHB4UK

  • MoC said...

    Financing a 100+ million dollar project on a state owned structure is a lot more complicated as you know. They don't have the cash on hand to undertake that without significant bonding capacity. The financing structure for smaller projects is different. As an example: TCU raised from 95 donors a 143 MILLION dollars for its stadium project in 2010.

    So let's say Matt's source and your estimate is correct: A donors who want to give to a potential new baseball stadium in the range of 4-5 million. That's 15-16 million left to finance on a brand new construction, on land already owned by the University. That amount, while bigger, can be had much easier outside of bonding capacity especially if you have another 5-6 million on hand to start the project.

    Football, in a perfect world, would be paid like these basketball projects are: by donations. The renovations of the Rupp lockeroom/player area is being funded between private donors and the city. Coal Lodge? Private donations.

    Well the full project for UK Football would have been a 100 million dollar project but it wasn't like they were building a whole new stadium so they could have done the thing in stages. If they have 30 million dollars then do stage 1 of the project, raise some more money then do stage 2 of the project, raise some more money then do stage 3 of the project.... That's just my thinking though and I don't know how feesible that would be to do...

    UKani

  • UKani said...

    Well the full project for UK Football would have been a 100 million dollar project but it wasn't like they were building a whole new stadium so they could have done the thing in stages. If they have 30 million dollars then do stage 1 of the project, raise some more money then do stage 2 of the project, raise some more money then do stage 3 of the project.... That's just my thinking though and I don't know how feesible that would be to do...

    Again, this just isn't true.

    A major part of the project is converting the existing press box (it's awful) into club seating. If you do that (could be done on it's own) you have to build the new sky box that will include the pressbox and new suites. That part of the project is a MASSIVE expense. You can't do one without the other. So no, you can't do it in phases.

    hoptownukfan

  • Last night, WKYT posted a full length video interview with Barnhart re a number of topics. At the very end of the interview, they follow-up with Barnhart re his mention of their plans re baseball facilities (whether that be renovating CHS or building a new stadium on Alumni Drive). Barnhart mentions the variation in total expense for recently built SEC baseball stadiums - believe he said they've gone as high $41 million (LSU?). Then went on to say that if UK were to build a new stadium, he would anticipate UK's stadium to be on the low end of that (approximately $25-30 million). That would build a really nice ballpark on Alumni Drive.

    Jeremy Grey

  • I believe in that same interview (or maybe it was the extended version on WKYT's website) Mitch seemed to express great confidence that the major football facility upgrade funding will happen soon, or that he was assured by others that it would (UK's president? Frankfort?).

    JHB4UK

  • JHB4UK said...

    I believe in that same interview (or maybe it was the extended version on WKYT's website) Mitch seemed to express great confidence that the major football facility upgrade funding will happen soon, or that he was assured by others that it would (UK's president? Frankfort?).

    Early in the interview on the website (less than 10 minutes in because that's all I listened to), I'm pretty sure he said he was confident the project would begin in the next year or so. I think he said they were exploring financing options and it didn't necessarily have to be done through bonding.

    Beavis13

  • JHB4UK said...

    I believe in that same interview (or maybe it was the extended version on WKYT's website) Mitch seemed to express great confidence that the major football facility upgrade funding will happen soon, or that he was assured by others that it would (UK's president? Frankfort?).

    Yep, don't want to put words into Mitch's mouth or mischaracterize his comments, but he seemed a little more confident than he has in past interviews that the financing will come through for CWS improvements. Mentioned that he had received "assurances" that the financing would be approved, though he was a little coy as to who those assurances are coming from.

    Jeremy Grey

  • Well he must feel somewhat secure in those assurances to state this in a media interview. Definitely gives me hope.

    JHB4UK

  • Finally going public with the bonding issues has generated a lot of behind the scenes support and awareness, which has led to pressure to address the issues and get them changed. UK got tired of playing nice and trying to play the politicians' game behind closed doors. Barnhart going public with the issues was the first step in having real, meaningful progress toward getting the CWS project off the ground.

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  • JHB4UK said...

    Well he must feel somewhat secure in those assurances to state this in a media interview. Definitely gives me hope.

    That would be a good timing for it considering if Joker doesn't work out we'll be looking to hire a new coach.

    tWhit

  • Matt May said...

    Finally going public with the bonding issues has generated a lot of behind the scenes support and awareness, which has led to pressure to address the issues and get them changed. UK got tired of playing nice and trying to play the politicians' game behind closed doors. Barnhart going public with the issues was the first step in having real, meaningful progress toward getting the CWS project off the ground.

    I think the reason Barnhart went public was simple, "Pass the buck" and put the blame on someone else, especially the politicians who are to blame in the first place. He, Barnhart, was gettin abused by the "microwve fans", but for whatever the reason, it was and is a good thing. I wish he had done it a lot sooner but I am glad he did. If its not his fault then spill the beans.clap

    This post was edited by mrhotdice on 7/7/2012 at 12:56 AM

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  • mrhotdice said...

    I think the reason Barnhart went public was simple, "Pass the buck" and put the blame on someone else, especially the politicians. He, Barnhart, was gettin abused by the "microwve fans", but for whatever the reason, it was and is a good thing.

    The man's raised money everywhere he's been. He radically changed the face of UK Athletics and made it a modern organization amid a culture of cronyism and snooty, old money "Well Grandfather donated a 100k in 1975. I don't see why we should have to pay anything NOW" incestuous backroom dealing. He assembled a team that now includes how many BCS Conference AD's around the country?

    Have I agreed with every decision he's made? No. WKYT and that whole group should have been cut out and new, modern media relationships built. He should have called Lexington's bluff on Rupp and he should have powered through the IMG Deal. I think he's had to learn a hard lesson in Lexington: You try to be nice and understanding nothing will get done and you'll probably get your throat slit.

    MoC

  • MoC said...

    The man's raised money everywhere he's been. He radically changed the face of UK Athletics and made it a modern organization amid a culture of cronyism and snooty, old money "Well Grandfather donated a 100k in 1975. I don't see why we should have to pay anything NOW" incestuous backroom dealing. He assembled a team that now includes how many BCS Conference AD's around the country?

    Have I agreed with every decision he's made? No. WKYT and that whole group should have been cut out and new, modern media relationships built. He should have called Lexington's bluff on Rupp and he should have powered through the IMG Deal. I think he's had to learn a hard lesson in Lexington: You try to be nice and understanding nothing will get done and you'll probably get your throat slit.

    I truly think the good old boy crap stoped when he was hired. He was an outsider for the first time and he does know what it takes to make UK one of the best sports dept in the NCAA. He is tired of reading crap about him not careing when he does. His hands are tied. UK this yr had its best yr ever by its athletic programs. Its just over the past 4 yrs the economy has been a bust and for him to bring up money has been hard. We need a new baseball field. $100 mil put into the football program ( it brings in the most money so spend it on football)

    dvillepro1

  • I have no problem whatsoever with building a new baseball stadium. I fully support and encourage the effort.

    As to football, I too want to see improvements made there. To that end we need changes in the way bonding is authorized at the state level. It is the primarly obstacle to moving forward on that effort.

    As to the perception that building a project for one sport reflects negatively on the support of another support is the nature of thinking that has held back UK and this state for decades.

    Old fashioned parochialism, or the thought that one area cannot be improved until all areas are improved is the primary reason that UK and the Commonwealth have not progressed at the pace that we would all prefer.

    Call is jealously, short-sighted, etc ... whatever term you choose to use, the notion that one or one area cannot progress or benefit until all others can do so has crippled the Commonwealth for as long as I can recall. To be sure, there are exceptions to this ... thankfully.

    And, rather than being viewed as a negative as some will no doubt view it, those investments may actually generate both the momentum and revenue to make improvements in other areas as well.

    So, yes, I say by all means please proceed with the improvement of facilities for the UK baseball program. This improves UK overall and as far as I am concerned that is a good thing.

    rbs

  • dvillepro1 said...

    I truly think the good old boy crap stoped when he was hired. He was an outsider for the first time and he does know what it takes to make UK one of the best sports dept in the NCAA. He is tired of reading crap about him not careing when he does. His hands are tied. UK this yr had its best yr ever by its athletic programs. Its just over the past 4 yrs the economy has been a bust and for him to bring up money has been hard. We need a new baseball field. $100 mil put into the football program ( it brings in the most money so spend it on football)

    Just a few months ago Dave Baker posted on a popular UK Sports website admonishing UK Athletics for trying to "squeeze" more money out of people who had donated years ago in the past.

    The "old boy network" is very much alive and well but manifests itself in different ways.

    MoC

  • UKani said...

    Well the full project for UK Football would have been a 100 million dollar project but it wasn't like they were building a whole new stadium so they could have done the thing in stages. If they have 30 million dollars then do stage 1 of the project, raise some more money then do stage 2 of the project, raise some more money then do stage 3 of the project.... That's just my thinking though and I don't know how feesible that would be to do...

    You started this matter of factly and ended by stating your opinion. lol

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  • MoC said...

    Just a few months ago Dave Baker posted on a popular UK Sports website admonishing UK Athletics for trying to "squeeze" more money out of people who had donated years ago in the past.

    The "old boy network" is very much alive and well but manifests itself in different ways.

    Would you mind linking this. Should be an interesting read. I don't recall seeing it.

    hoptownukfan

  • I'm one of those people who if UK is in a Chess match I want UK to win, and I Loved watching the baseball team, I have never been to the. Cliff so I don't know if is run down or not, but i want us to have top of the line facilities in everything.
    That being said it would not cost that much to at a minimum add some COLOR and a Wall of Fame to Commonwealth Stadium football is what makes the world (MONEY) go round in the SEC.
    I love the new jumbotrons and ribbon board. Love the way Nutter looks and that we have redone the locker rooms in CWS.
    We just redone the stuff for Track and a new softball stadium now baseball so there is money somewhere.

    This post was edited by catfaninMs on 7/9/2012 at 8:10 PM

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