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Newton: 'I need to be a passer'

  • http://kentucky.247sports.com/Article/UK-quarterback-wants-to-improve-short-game-39309

    Morgan Newton can throw a football 30 miles. Now, Kentucky just needs to get the quarterback accurate from 30 feet.

    Darrell Bird

  • This is the problem. He is not a passer. No matter how much as he and Joker Phillips may want it this is not a good offense for him. He is talented but his talents don't match how we played offense for the past 6 years and the coaches are to blame for not seeing this and adjusting. To make him successful we need to scrap the offense and switch to a power running game with some play action passing like we did in the second half. The problem of course is that the rest of the team was built for the pro set offense. This is a coaching mess and it was obvious to many observers when he got to play as a freshman. Now you have a kid who is under tremendous pressure to do what is obviously very difficult for him and a program with no real options. A poster on Larry Vaught's page said it the other day. Mistakes like this happen when you forget that "the world is not what you want it to be or what it should be. It is what it is."

    zcats

  • zcats said...

    This is the problem. He is not a passer. No matter how much as he and Joker Phillips may want it this is not a good offense for him. He is talented but his talents don't match how we played offense for the past 6 years and the coaches are to blame for not seeing this and adjusting. To make him successful we need to scrap the offense and switch to a power running game with some play action passing like we did in the second half. The problem of course is that the rest of the team was built for the pro set offense. This is a coaching mess and it was obvious to many observers when he got to play as a freshman. Now you have a kid who is under tremendous pressure to do what is obviously very difficult for him and a program with no real options. A poster on Larry Vaught's page said it the other day. Mistakes like this happen when you forget that "the world is not what you want it to be or what it should be. It is what it is."

    Well said. My dad and I just had this discussion. He is not a pocket passer. Need to utilize him in rollouts and use him the way Auburn used Cam Newton last year. While Morgan does not have blazing speed, he is athletic enough to make defenses be aware of him as a running threat. I never thought Cam was that fast, but he was big and could take off at any time. Morgan is very similar and should be used as such for this offense to be successful. It will also help a banged up offensive line that is struggling right now to get much of a push.

    mtk4uk

  • zcats said...

    This is the problem. He is not a passer. No matter how much as he and Joker Phillips may want it this is not a good offense for him. He is talented but his talents don't match how we played offense for the past 6 years and the coaches are to blame for not seeing this and adjusting. To make him successful we need to scrap the offense and switch to a power running game with some play action passing like we did in the second half. The problem of course is that the rest of the team was built for the pro set offense. This is a coaching mess and it was obvious to many observers when he got to play as a freshman. Now you have a kid who is under tremendous pressure to do what is obviously very difficult for him and a program with no real options. A poster on Larry Vaught's page said it the other day. Mistakes like this happen when you forget that "the world is not what you want it to be or what it should be. It is what it is."

    How is play action passing not apart of pro set offense? Am I missing something, but isn't play action a crucial part of any pro set? We don't run a spread.

    I think the reason it might have been working in the second half is because we were actually having success running the ball.

    This post was edited by princeuk21 on 9/10/2011 at 10:54 PM

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  • The playbook and offense is fine. Sure, there can be some tweeks to the playcalling to better utilize the skillset of the players but the offense is fine. Remember under Woodson we went spread a lot.

    Perhaps newton would be better in a power spread attack like Florida ran under Myer or like what Petrino ran at UL but that isn't happening.

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    cobbycobb

  • We adjusted in the 2nd half, so why is it that far of a stretch to believe we will adjust from here on out???

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    BG631

  • We stopped throwing the ball the second half and relied on the running game. Play action is part of a pro set but we have not used it all that much.

    zcats

  • ^ but play action really only works when you are running the ball effectively, which is the key to UK's offense. It seemed like in the first half, there was a missed block on every running play. However, in the last 1.5 quarters, UK started using more 2 TE sets and getting defenders accounted for, then able to get more positive yard gains. It seems obvious that the 3 & 4-receiver sets need a lot of work before they can be used on a more consistent basis.

    dustarm20

  • I've been screaming about the power running game since before the season. Morgan can be a good qb if Randy continues down this path. Drops have killed Morgan, if Roark would have caught that easy pass it would have been another TD and a big chunk of yardage.

    I'm going to make a bold statement right now after watching Miller. If Murphy isn't back within 2 or 3 weeks he will never get his position back. D. Miller will do fine, the more he plays the better he gets. By the end of the 3rd quarter he was playing fine. Some positives are D. Miller didn't get Power-bombed by any 230lb De's like in the WKU game at that position. He laid the trap block that sprung Clemons for 87. He is by far the most athletic Lineman on the field. Some people are harping about he should redshirt, that's retarded. I just hope our coach's keep calling plays that match Morgan's strengths. Play action off of the Power running game leads to big chunks of yardage and is a High TD percentage OFF as long as we can keep WR on the field that can catch. A lot of people were screaming about wanting a vertical passing game back a few weeks ago well now we will if Randy and Joker doen't decide to go right back to about what got us beat the last few weeks. One more big difference was adding Tyler Robinson. Great blocker. The power running game will only make the screen game better as well. This OFF will only get better. I've never been a big fan of the dink and dunk off anyway. The Power running game is the number 1 ingrediant in the "PRO STYLE" off. I couldn't be more excited for this to happen, if it does... GO CATS...

    todd

  • I think drops have certainly hurt, but I am not sure that they are the root of all evils here.

    One thing is for certain though, Roark on his own has really hurt M. Newton's stat line.

    offline

  • Once the OL is healthy, and the run game starts clicking, Morgan and the passing game will come around. His problem on short and underneath routes is his wanting to throw the ball with great velocity. He needs to develop touch on those passes. And, he needs to settle in and trust those around him. I think that comes when the OL is back to 100%.

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    alphacat93

  • alphacat93 said...

    Once the OL is healthy, and the run game starts clicking, Morgan and the passing game will come around. His problem on short and underneath routes is his wanting to throw the ball with great velocity. He needs to develop touch on those passes. And, he needs to settle in and trust those around him. I think that comes when the OL is back to 100%.

    I think you have some good points. These first two games are learning experiences for everyone. While Newton certainly needs to improve the coaching staff needs to adjust its play calling to their talent (this means QB, RB's, and WR's). That's just part of college coaching because of the rotation of players every few years.

    I see some strong points that can definately be developed over the season and with a Defense playing this well we can become a much better team. This could be a positive point, rarely does UK start out slow and get substantially better as the year goes on. I am hopeful.

    flknopp

  • I agree with a lot of what is being said and see signs that this offense can be effective. We are working in young players. Miller at OL looks good. Clemons at RB is going to be a stud. Robinson should get a couple of receptions a game. Also, let's not forget that Newton is beginning to find himself as a runner and vertical passing threat. Sometimes addition by attrition is a great thing. I think the coaching staff has decided that Roark should not be in the WR rotation any longer. I don't recall seeing him in at WR after the drop. He is fine special teams player, but not a WR. This will benefit the rest of the offense. And how about 16 point in 2 games. That is strong regardless of the competition. Go Cats!!!

    usa1000

  • Three things:

    1. Matt Roark needs to give up playing WR. He does a great job on special teams. However, if he drops another TD pass I think there will be a riot. There are plenty of other WRs on this team that want to play and can catch.

    2. Josh Clemons is going to be the best RB we have had since Moe Williams. If UK can be in the hunt for the SEC title in 2013-2014, he will be a front runner for the Heisman; if not sooner. UK needs to run a Power I offense with him and Newton running the football. Throw in some deep play action and you have an offense that can put 14-28 points on the board (note that I made the claim many weeks ago that 14-28 points is going to be enough to beat most teams this year with our D).

    3. Defense. If our defense continues to get as good as they believe and most of us believe they can be, than we are going to be just fine. There is no doubt they can hold almost everyone on our schedule to 14 points or less.

    UK is in good shape. Fans just need to be patient and quit booing this offense while it's trying to feel things out. UK WILL BEAT UL! The Cats will be 3-0 going into their "murderer's row" portion of their schedule. Confidence will be key. Be patient and support our guys and we will have a very special season! GO BIG BLUE!!!

    focust1

  • zcats said...

    We stopped throwing the ball the second half and relied on the running game. Play action is part of a pro set but we have not used it all that much.

    When did we stop throwing the ball in the second half? I remember a beautiful toss n catch in the second half. One could argue the running game opened up due to Morgan making throws (and more importantly catches made)

    How the hell are people STILL bitching and complaining? Morgans stat line in the first half wasn't all that bad! With the exception of missing King in the endzone Morgan played ok. Roark holds onto that ball and Morgan was something like 9-18 104 yards and a TD. We looked good in the second half, and again had it not been for some misques in the first half and the F getting completley caught of guard we go into halftime up 23-13 or 23-7 if Guy wraps up one tackle.

    Woodson IS going to help Morgan learn to better check progressions. Morgan will improve on his field vision, and to find the open man. You could tell that the game had slowed down for him in the second half and IMO will continue to do so. I want to be clear, I am not really high on Newton. I haven't been since his FR year, but he is capable of doing what is needed to win anywhere from 7-9 games IMO.

    There are alot of things that need improving to get there and it's not all on #12. The playcalling (more screens, less reverses, quick slants and hitting RBs in the flats handout of the backfield) is a huge area of opportunity. (not Newtons fault) the WRs must improve on improve running running, and for the love of GOD catching the ball (not Newtons fault) the O line mist get healthy and keep improving continuity (not Newtons fault) The TEs must be involved in the passing game (not newtons fault) and maybe the Wild(insert last name if whomever runs it) into the offense to take some pressure of Newton (again, not Newtons fault)

    I wanna be clear, I am not a big fan of Morgan Newton. I haven't since his FR year, bit he has enough areas of improvement as it stands to continue to pile on things that are not his fault.

    Here's a crazy idea or thought...how about trying to support the football team rather year it down every week? Is it too much to ask to be positive about the things Morgan DID DO yesterday instead of the constant barrage of things he didn't and the massize list of things he's taking the heat for that are clearly not his fault?

    Here's am even crazier idea...How about being happy and excited about the fact that we are 2-0 despite some struggles, that we are heading into a game with Loserville that we should without question win, and that we will more than likely be 3-0 and halfway to 6 wins and a 6th straight bowl game.

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    tommy

  • Again, it wasn't that long ago that UK would have lost a game like this. Secondly, I saw SIGNIFICANT improvement over the WKU game. Even in the 1st half, there were flashes and glimpses of potential for the offense. For me, the most important aspect of yesterday was the OL bounced back a bit to have a much better performance. They got COMPLETELY manhandled by WKU, yesterday they won the battle of the trenches.

    Defensively, I still like what I see. Minter has infused a more aggressive attitude and his attacking scheme is high risk, but I'm having a hard time remembering the last time I saw guys flying around the field like I've seen over the last two games not to mention 6 int's in two games!! Next week is crucial. Win and then it's on to the rough portion of the schedule 3-0 with some confidence. Lose and I don't see how this team breaks even this year.

    The one trend that has to change, and it's a bad carryover from last year, is coming out flat in the first qtr. That will get you beat more often than not, particularly w/this team which has little margin for error.

    ukaveman

  • focust1 said...

    Three things:

    1. Matt Roark needs to give up playing WR. He does a great job on special teams. However, if he drops another TD pass I think there will be a riot. There are plenty of other WRs on this team that want to play and can catch.

    2. Josh Clemons is going to be the best RB we have had since Moe Williams. If UK can be in the hunt for the SEC title in 2013-2014, he will be a front runner for the Heisman; if not sooner. UK needs to run a Power I offense with him and Newton running the football. Throw in some deep play action and you have an offense that can put 14-28 points on the board (note that I made the claim many weeks ago that 14-28 points is going to be enough to beat most teams this year with our D).

    3. Defense. If our defense continues to get as good as they believe and most of us believe they can be, than we are going to be just fine. There is no doubt they can hold almost everyone on our schedule to 14 points or less.

    UK is in good shape. Fans just need to be patient and quit booing this offense while it's trying to feel things out. UK WILL BEAT UL! The Cats will be 3-0 going into their "murderer's row" portion of their schedule. Confidence will be key. Be patient and support our guys and we will have a very special season! GO BIG BLUE!!!

    1. Agreed. I don't know how they can continue to give him meaningful snaps.

    2. He's going to be great, no doubt. We've had some pretty good backs around here lately. If he could be 90% of the player Rafael Little was, I'll take it.

    3. Our D is solid already. The line, which was my biggest concern, looks decent. The D will have to carry the team this season, at least for a while.

    BigTyrone

  • It is clear that Woodson's off-season work with Newton on the deep ball has paid off. Now, let's hope he is spending every waking moment possible with him on how to look for the easier short/intermediate passes as it has become abundantly clear that he is looking for the homerun most every play. If he can begin to spot the open receivers out of the flats or on crossing routes instead of relying solely on the out routes to the sideline and the deep "go" routes, he could become much more dangerous for opposing teams who are trying to prepare. As it stands right now, their focus will no doubt be on dropping 2 safeties deep and focusing on the run game with the front 7. If I'm an opposing DC, based solely on our throws through 2 games, I see no reason to drop any of my LB's back in zone coverage for throws over the middle. HOPEFULLY this has all been by design and we start seeing more plays over the middle and along the intermediate routes when DC's are least expecting it.

    mjdotson

  • How can Newton be a junior in college and have 10 starts under his belt and not know how to throw a ball 5-10 yards? The kid either knows how to do this or is very unlikely to learn by now.

    zcats

  • He is not very good about getting his feet set. The pass to King in the endzone when he nearly hit the cross bar was due to his feet. I watched it several times on DVR. He starts out by looking to the left, then at the last second he sees King come open, his body turned (his feet did not). His arm threw it King's general direction but his body/feet were still aimed to the left pylon. He needed to adjust and make the throw or lob the ball and let King go get it wherever it ends up.

    Also if the WR's didn't drop passes that hit them easily in the hands, Newton goes for at least 14-18 and another TD. The majority of his passes were decent......not great, but able to be caught.

    He's got the ability, the system is fine, he needs help from the o-line, RB's, and for heaven sakes the WR's.

    I never saw potential in Hartline, but I was proven wrong during his Sr year. I did see good potential in Newton his freshman yr. He'll be ok.

    Ironic isn't it. We've spent the last 3-4 yrs with a QB that many swore couldn't throw the ball longer than 10 yds. Now we have one that can throw it into a bucket at a country mile, but can't make the 10 yd throw.

    BlueRaider22

  • I agree about his feet. His foot work is really bad. It is not a coincidence that the two best throws I have seen all year are when he has a called play and just drops back and sets and throws with authority (one to King and one to McCaskill). His issue is all mental. He just doesn't see the field or make good decisions with the ball. I think his touch issues are due to him not really seeing what is going on. He is never really in control when he is asked to make reads. He doesn't have that skill set. Just change the offense and call every play for him with a reliance on the running game and a few deep throws but try and use more than one receiver and don't play Roark at WR any more. Joker needs to get to a winning season any way possible.

    zcats

  • zcats said...

    I agree about his feet. His foot work is really bad. It is not a coincidence that the two best throws I have seen all year are when he has a called play and just drops back and sets and throws with authority (one to King and one to McCaskill). His issue is all mental. He just doesn't see the field or make good decisions with the ball. I think his touch issues are due to him not really seeing what is going on. He is never really in control when he is asked to make reads. He doesn't have that skill set. Just change the offense and call every play for him with a reliance on the running game and a few deep throws but try and use more than one receiver and don't play Roark at WR any more. Joker needs to get to a winning season any way possible.

    Agreed, Zcats. Joker needs to play to Newton's and the team's strengths and Maybe give up on trying to make Newton into something he isn't. Newton is a very large and talented athlete. He is a winner. Just look at his HS championships. For a 240 lber he can really run once he gets momentum and he is difficult to bring down. His arm strength is off the charts. The kid can hurl it 80 yards if he needs to. Joker needs to figure out how to best use these talents with a good OL and an average Bunch of Wide receivers.

    To make a golf analogy, trying to Make Newton into a Woodson/Couch type of QB is going to be as easy as getting Bubba and Daly to cut their swings off at 3 quarters and rely on their mid iron game.

    coach gazzaroli

  • Two things:

    1. He is nervous - I think that's why he forgets his form, moves his feet, etc. I think that if you look at Newton when he's throwing routes in practice he looks good but when the pads start poping his form breaks down. I do not think he is scared necessarily... maybe anxious is a better word. He does not mind the contact at all but I think he may worry about making mistakes which creates anxiety, thus his form breaks down.

    2. Throw more short outs - They did that a few times and it seemed to work well. It does not take touch, he can unload the arm and not have to worry about touch. This may also set up some "double-move" routes allowing the receivers to go long which is what Morgan likes. This ability to go deep also keeps the saftey's back not allowiong them to help on the running game.

    flknopp

  • zcats said...

    I agree about his feet. His foot work is really bad. It is not a coincidence that the two best throws I have seen all year are when he has a called play and just drops back and sets and throws with authority (one to King and one to McCaskill). His issue is all mental. He just doesn't see the field or make good decisions with the ball. I think his touch issues are due to him not really seeing what is going on. He is never really in control when he is asked to make reads. He doesn't have that skill set. Just change the offense and call every play for him with a reliance on the running game and a few deep throws but try and use more than one receiver and don't play Roark at WR any more. Joker needs to get to a winning season any way possible.

    This. Happy Feet seems to get flustered a bit too quickly in the pocket, but when he is in rhythm and takes the time to set his feet and let 'er rip, he is money. They need to tailor the offense around that and stop trying to force it down his throat, just hoping that by this time next year he will be as productive as Woodson and Hartline were.

    mjdotson

  • He is not that kind of QB. He is more like a classic Big 10 QB who will throw a hand full of passes, hand off, and run the ball. He is not going to be a big time passer and we need to adjust.

    zcats