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OT: Top HS player in Tennessee is a Trojan

  • I just love anything negative about UT--#1 player in Tennessee was choosing between USC and....wait for it....VANDERBILT! sinking

    http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/ncf/story/_/id/8171156/tennessee-cb-prospect-jalen-ramsey-commits-usc-trojans-lane-kiffin

    [quote] "UT coaches and fans shouldn't feel as if they lost Ramsey. They were barely in the running.

    "They were an in-state school," Ramsey said when asked about UT. "They're going to keep recruiting me. They told me they were going to keep recruiting me. I'm just comfortable with USC. Some of these other schools I like more than Tennessee right now. They were in the top seven on the list but they were sort of on the back burner." [quote]

    This post was edited by BigBlueNation 7 on 7/17/2012 at 1:03 PM

    BigBlueNation 7

  • I assume Tee was his recruiter because he recruited Ramsey for us, IIRC.

    PHCD

  • USC one of the few schools that can go into any part of the country and pluck a kid out of there.

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    Chris Fisher

  • To be fair, Tennessee has always put more emphasis on national recruiting than in-state recruiting. Not to say they didn't want this kid but its harder to recruit your own state when you don't put much emphasis on recruiting it and building relationships with the local coaches.

    BlueBloodBob

  • Are you saying you think USC puts a lot of effort into building relationships in TN, or are you saying it's easier for kids to become jaded towards instate schools b/c they are closer and hear all the news (good and esp bad) about the local school?

    UKSanders

  • My understanding of UT and the way it recruits Tennessee is that the Vols sacrifice building good relationships with in-state high schools by putting much more effort into national recruiting efforts. They think less of the local talent than is probably deserved (though Tennessee isn't exactly bursting at the seems with blue-chippers either).

    As a result, the name UT does not mean more to local talent than, say, Georgia or Florida.
    This is especially true in the talent rich Memphis area. Memphis is more a Ole Miss town than anything. While part of this has something to do with geography, it also has a lot to do with Tennessee prioritizing out of state talent over in-state talent.

    Randall Cobb is a perfect example of this. Kentucky came a calling for Cobb when they saw his immense talent. And though Cobb grew up a Vol fan and lived in the shadow of Neyland Stadium, UT couldn't be bothered to recruit him until it was way too late because Cobb was just some local kid.

    In the end, it might not have made a difference in whether Ramsay chose USC. He might have been more interested in academics than most recruits (hence his strong look to Vandy). But I will hazard to say the Vols would have been a lot better than top 7 if they actually spent the time developing relationships with local high schools.

    EDIT: I do have to mention the fact Derek Dooley may actually care more about local talent than his predecessors, I couldn't tell you. But his predecessors certainly didn't help his current cause.

    This post was edited by BlueBloodBob on 7/17/2012 at 8:10 PM

    BlueBloodBob

  • BlueBloodBob said...

    My understanding of UT and the way it recruits Tennessee is that the Vols sacrifice building good relationships with in-state high schools by putting much more effort into national recruiting efforts. They think less of the local talent than is probably deserved (though Tennessee isn't exactly bursting at the seems with blue-chippers either).

    As a result, the name UT does not mean more to local talent than, say, Georgia or Florida.
    This is especially true in the talent rich Memphis area. Memphis is more a Ole Miss town than anything. While part of this has something to do with geography, it also has a lot to do with Tennessee prioritizing out of state talent over in-state talent.

    Randall Cobb is a perfect example of this. Kentucky came a calling for Cobb when they saw his immense talent. And though Cobb grew up a Vol fan and lived in the shadow of Neyland Stadium, UT couldn't be bothered to recruit him until it was way too late because Cobb was just some local kid.

    In the end, it might not have made a difference in whether Ramsay chose USC. He might have been more interested in academics than most recruits (hence his strong look to Vandy). But I will hazard to say the Vols would have been a lot better than top 7 if they actually spent the time developing relationships with local high schools.

    EDIT: I do have to mention the fact Derek Dooley may actually care more about local talent than his predecessors, I couldn't tell you. But his predecessors certainly didn't help his current cause.

    Pretty spot on. I grew up in TN (Chattanooga) and it has always amazed me how they all but ignore their own state. As a result, very few of the kids in TN, at least not the athletes in the inner city systems, grow up dreaming of playing at UT. That was fine when they were getting top 10 classes and were an elite program, Dooley declared he was going to lock down the borders in recruiting when he was hired. Since he made that declaration, they have gotten even worse at in-state recruiting. I love it.

    mjdotson

  • THIS is why Lane Kiffen wanted Tee Martin as bad as he did. I guess we'll soon see if he truly isn't capable of coaching up WRs or if UK's WRs were simply that bad last year.

    MinterWonderlnd

  • Hopefully Washington will prove it was just Tee not coaching the WRs up.

    gobigblue812

  • gobigblue812 said...

    Hopefully Washington will prove it was just Tee not coaching the WRs up.

    Well, the WR corp of Cobb, Chris Matthews, and Larod King played AWEFULLY well in Tee's first year as WR coach. They ran sharp routes and caught the ball all season long. Not sure what Tee did different as a coach once those guys left?

    MinterWonderlnd

  • UT ignores the state of TN because it is alot like Ky...no talent and they should ignore the state kids. Outside of Memphis (who UT used to own)...Nashville for a big city just doesn't produce a ton, Chattanooga is pretty slow/bad and Knoxville, Jackson, etc..just doesn't pump out much.

    To this OP point...it is a huge deal for UT to whiff on #1 kid and truly a big timer given his measurables. And as a UK fan...I'm thrilled to see it. Just makes our games vs. UT that much more winnable down the road for UK and given we'll never play USC...let all the great players (Save kids that want to go to UK) go west coast.

    K__TIME

  • The reason the whole thing stings is because it was Kiffin. Sort of like their Pitino to us but more. Kiffin left their cupboard and egos bare and broken. Then, Kiffin comes into their backyard with one of their own -Tee Martin and takes one of their prize possessions without even a fight. This stings for them on so many levels.

    TheBluesBrother

  • TheBluesBrother said...

    The reason the whole thing stings is because it was Kiffin. Sort of like their Pitino to us but more. Kiffin left their cupboard and egos bare and broken. Then, Kiffin comes into their backyard with one of their own -Tee Martin and takes one of their prize possessions without even a fight. This stings for them on so many levels.

    My take exactly, BluesBrother. And I love every second of it!

    BigBlueNation 7

  • MinterWonderlnd said...

    THIS is why Lane Kiffen wanted Tee Martin as bad as he did. I guess we'll soon see if he truly isn't capable of coaching up WRs or if UK's WRs were simply that bad last year.

    In that article the kid said that Kiffen was the reason he was going there, T was the primary recruiter but why wouldn't he be, it was his old backyard for awhile but if there wasn't a Kiffen and it wasn't Southern Cal, this kid was going to Vandy. And remember T said he didn't know anything about coaching wide receivers.

    This post was edited by UKlaw82 on 7/18/2012 at 9:31 PM

    UKlaw82

  • To top it off, a 4* RB in TN was announcing between UT, Vandy and Auburn this week and he chose....Auburn.

    mjdotson

  • Not sure how to take this knowing:

    Hunter Biven-Notre Dame
    James Quick-not UK
    Lamar Dawson-USC
    Jordon Whitting-OSU
    Brandon Newman-Notre Dame
    Corey Zibrel-Michigan
    Jon Davis-Illinois

    Now: UK can add: Patrick Towles to the list of keeping kids home.

    bigbluemist

  • As much as i hate to say this, i feel Kiffin is going to be a force to be reckoned with in college football for a while. he is going to lead USC through probation without much drop off and when they come out the other side look the f out.

    He will be everywhere (TV and radio), and the media will be there to lap it up, count on it. I feel he will also change the way coaches coach in college football.

    Who cares if you can only sign like 18 or so kids through probabtion, quality over quantity in this case.

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    goldenbearcatz

  • goldenbearcatz said...

    As much as i hate to say this, i feel Kiffin is going to be a force to be reckoned with in college football for a while. he is going to lead USC through probation without much drop off and when they come out the other side look the f out.

    He will be everywhere (TV and radio), and the media will be there to lap it up, count on it. I feel he will also change the way coaches coach in college football.

    Who cares if you can only sign like 18 or so kids through probabtion, quality over quantity in this case.

    Just more of the same at USC. Right now they are one of only a few programs out of the SEC that can possibly really challenge teams like LSU and Bama in the years to come. Pete Carroll had the program rolling and it looks like Kiffen is picking up where he left off.

    tWhit

  • tWhit said...

    Just more of the same at USC. Right now they are one of only a few programs out of the SEC that can possibly really challenge teams like LSU and Bama in the years to come. Pete Carroll had the program rolling and it looks like Kiffen is picking up where he left off.

    And like i posted in another forum a minute ago, tWhit, their difficult scheduling (conference slate plus a Big 10 and ND game every year) won't hurt them one bit when they go before the playoff committee.

    BigBlueNation 7