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JDHLaw11 said...
If you had told me that our QB would complete 70% of his passes for 280 yards, 2 TDs and no interceptions and that our backs would consistently find running room, I would have bet a paycheck that we win the game.
If you had told me that TB would complete 90% of his passes to wide open receivers and that we would give up 200+ yards on the ground, I would have called you crazy. Mainly because there are three scheme-specific outcomes on defense. You can usually pick at least one of three on every single snap. You have QB pressure, coverage, or run defense according to scheme. We somehow managed to do none of those three things at any point during the game.
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ky123 said...
Yes, he completed 70 percent of his passes for 280 yards, but come on my grandma could have completed most of those passes. Screen left, screen right, screen in the middle, screen here, screen there, screen everywhere lol.
Yes the stats look good, but 280 yards on 50 passing attempts is ridiculous. If they continue to run these little bubble route screen passes all game, then unfortunately UK will get absolutely man-handled by a defense with speed. Yes, he will probably continue to complete 70 percent of his passes because they are mostly screen passes, but those passes will not work that effectively against an SEC defense. You MUST and I repeat MUST establish the run game to open up the passing game downfield and until UK does this they will not be successful.
Why come out of the gates throwing the ball so much. UK didn't attempt to establish the run one time that game.
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JDHLaw11 said...
I don't know what game you watched, but while there were a few screens and short passes on the perimeter, the bulk of Smith's yards came from respectable throws from proper reads. This includes one absolute strike to La'Rod King to convert 3rd and long that was perfectly on target if not a perfect spiral.
Those perimeter passes and bubble screens keep defenses honest. Perimeter passes force DBs to creep up and LBs to play horizontally. Screens force DL to check their pass rush to prevent over-pursuit and hold LBs nearer the line of scrimmage. Just because you don't understand the tactical decisions for playcalls doesn't mean that calls aren't tactically sound.
The thought that all 280 yards came on screens, bubble or otherwise, is insane, especially given that our screen game wasn't particularly effective. 70% completion ratio means that Smith made the proper reads in the offense and that, for the most part, WRs caught the ball.
I can't fathom those who had a problem with the passing game on Sunday. Smith was extremely efficient and poised, our OL did better than expected in controlling the pass rush, and our WRs caught the ball and got upfield.
As far as the run game not being established, both Williams and Sanders gashed UL numerous times. Unfortunately, fumbles kept us out of the endzone at least once. In an uptempo hurry-up offense, passing is the order of the day because you are constantly forcing the DL to reverse direction and pursue WRs or pass-catching backs from behind. Once they are winded, your backs can gather up rushing yards more effectively. In a perfect world, this opens play action pass and allows you to go upfield later in the game.
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ky123 said...
Yes, he completed 70 percent of his passes for 280 yards, but come on my grandma could have completed most of those passes. Screen left, screen right, screen in the middle, screen here, screen there, screen everywhere lol.
Yes the stats look good, but 280 yards on 50 passing attempts is ridiculous. If they continue to run these little bubble route screen passes all game, then unfortunately UK will get absolutely man-handled by a defense with speed. Yes, he will probably continue to complete 70 percent of his passes because they are mostly screen passes, but those passes will not work that effectively against an SEC defense. You MUST and I repeat MUST establish the run game to open up the passing game downfield and until UK does this they will not be successful.
Why come out of the gates throwing the ball so much. UK didn't attempt to establish the run one time that game.
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TheBluesBrother said...
Joker and Sanders were taking what UL was giving them. They were cheating up a lot to try and stop the running game. We were hitting the underneath, on the sides where it was open. Yes at some point WE WILL HAVE TO RUN but against UL what they were giving us we were taking. Mobley will get his chance and I think he will shine. However, he needs to be careful with his messages and opinions. I'm glad he is frustrated because that tells me he is a winner. Now he must harness that frustration and use it when given the chance!
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We have a communication problem. You believe every checkdown throw is a "screen" or "bubble route." I do not. Fundamental difference in nomenclature. There were bubble, tunnel, and RB screens called in this game. Other times, there were a number of routes run by various receivers and the throws were checked to TEs, RBs, and WRs running underneath two deep safeties. Not throwing the ball to a fly, post, or flag route does not mean the play call was a "screen" or "bubble route."
I thought the gameplan was pretty smart when we had unknown quantities at several OL positions, keeping Smith in the shotgun and giving him a check-down or safety valve on most plays to get the ball out. That, combined with the uptempo pace and no-huddle allowed us to move the football pretty efficiently. We were over 50% on third down, including converting at least 3 third-and-long situations. The pace obviously impacted UL's front, allowing us to rush efficiently, if sporadically. It also minimized the pressure on a young QB and relatively inexperienced OL.
We threw more than I would have liked, but I can understand why.
Would you have preferred more 7 step drops from under center with 4 fly routes called? How many more times would you have liked to see Max pressured into bad decisions with no safety valve, or for him to take more sacks? Line up the power running game with two backs with a history of injury problems or a true freshman in his first ever game behind an offensive line that had more question marks than known quantities?
I agree that, with the benefit of hindsight, our OL had success and we could have had more success with the run game. However, that is with the benefit of hindsight and something to consider going forward, not something that was obviously apparent to everyone before the game.
Lost in this conversation is the fact that our imbalanced offense had 10 drives on Sunday. Two of them ended in TDs. One in a missed FG (UL 24). Two on fumbles (UL 22, UL 2). And one on downs (UL 18). 6/10 drives got us in scoring position. Failure to capitalize on those opportunities is a valid complaint, but completely ignoring the fact that our offense was improved and (especially when contrasted with the defense) has several things to build on in coming weeks is just inane.
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ky123 said...
The first series alone they ran three screens in 8 plays. One of those screens went for a 12 yard gain, but nonetheless still a screen play.
Second series... pass completed to T. Robinson for 4 yards, pass completed to D. Robinson for 3 yards, pass complete to Co'Shik Williams for 13 yards, pass complete to R. Sanders for 4 yards. The first 4 plays of the second series were either screens or little bubble routes. Then after 2 plays later R. Sanders caught another screen pass for 13 yards.
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ky123 said...
Yes several of those routes were not considered designed screen plays, but I also don't believe many of them were his check down receivers either. Many times those little 1-3 yard routes would be his primary look. I know at least 11 of the 21 were designed screen plays, and that is without going back and looking at it in detail as I only took a little bit of time to look into this. I would not have preferred Smith to drop back and throw fly routes, but I would just have liked to seen more play action (by first establishing the run making the LB commit to the play action), out routes, 7-10 yard slants... basically tested them in the middle of the field because they looked soft in the middle of the field despite the hype that surrounded the core of the UL defense. When UK tried to attack the middle they were successful more than not.
Overall I like your post though. Good post.
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hoptownukfan said...
You are wrong. That's all I can say. You are wrong. By pre-snap reads (two safties deep) maxwell knew his deep routes wouldn't be open.
The fact that you bashing play calling on offense and don't understand what a screen pass is tells me one thing. USE THE IGNORE FEATURE. Which I'm doing right now. See ya...
This post was edited by ky123 on 9/5/2012 at 10:48 AM
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