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On Second Thought II: Miss. State

  • http://kentucky.247sports.com/Article/3-topics-Towles-read-turnovers-by-D-Jokers-future-94468

    We revisit Kentucky's 27-14 loss to Mississippi State with a take on the offense, defense and coaching.

    Darrell Bird

  • The reason that we have so little talent and depth is a result of Joker Phillips' roster management. One of the main reasons we have so many injuries is due to playing kids who are not mature enough to play at this level. Name a part of the program that is improving. Recruiting? That is highly debatable. The guy makes questionable coaching decisions, is a bad manager, and is a very negative public relations figure. Has he had some bad luck? Absolutely, but luck is not why this program is failing. Outside of a complete resurrection over the next 3 games either you fire him or next year's attendance is going to look like a Texas high school program.

    zcats

  • The question for me is still the same; why are they forced to play so many younger guys? What happened to the senior and junior classes that they are so ineffective?

    KSt

  • Not sure but senior classes are small at a lot of schools, even good ones. Louisville has 9 seniors, Alabama 7 or 8.

    Darrell Bird

  • Darrell Bird said...

    Not sure but senior classes are small at a lot of schools, even good ones. Louisville has 9 seniors, Alabama 7 or 8.

    Alabama's juniors are mostly now playing on Sundays. That is the biggest difference in us and them.

    nawlinsbaby

  • The upperclassmen we do have are solid contributors: Williamson, Rumph, Cobble, Wyndam, Ukwu, Benton, Neloms and Rice on the defensive side of the ball and Warford, Smith, Mitchell, King, McCaskill, Fields, Robinson, Sanders and Boyd on the offensive side.. The problem is we don't have enough experience in positions that are neccessary to succeed in the SEC and that's at LB, QB, Secondary and in the OL.. Those are all positions that are very tough to play as a freshman or sophomore.

    bluecatntn

  • zcats said...

    The reason that we have so little talent and depth is a result of Joker Phillips' roster management. One of the main reasons we have so many injuries is due to playing kids who are not mature enough to play at this level. Name a part of the program that is improving. Recruiting? That is highly debatable. The guy makes questionable coaching decisions, is a bad manager, and is a very negative public relations figure. Has he had some bad luck? Absolutely, but luck is not why this program is failing. Outside of a complete resurrection over the next 3 games either you fire him or next year's attendance is going to look like a Texas high school program.

    Someday I might agree with your negativity but most of it never makes any sense or has any truth to it but please keep trying I am still listening.

    UKlaw82

  • Darrell, most of the time I agree with you, but your point on how can you fire Joker is really weak. Joker was out coached and out prepared by Strong in the UL game. He was again out coached by Taggart. That was before injuries began to take their toll. Jokers team never looked prepared and are always playing from behind. You also fail to remember that UK has not scored in the first quarter of a game in almost 2 years. He went out and hired Rick Minter who now makes Steve Brown's defenses look good. You also have to factor in that Joker has totally lost the fan base. To continue to ignore the proof on the field is just insane. I fully supported keeping Joker until this season has shown the same pattern as his first two. This ship is sinking and is in need of new leadership.

    mtk4uk

  • mtk4uk said...

    Darrell, most of the time I agree with you, but your point on how can you fire Joker is really weak. Joker was out coached and out prepared by Strong in the UL game. He was again out coached by Taggart. That was before injuries began to take their toll. Jokers team never looked prepared and are always playing from behind. You also fail to remember that UK has not scored in the first quarter of a game in almost 2 years. He went out and hired Rick Minter who now makes Steve Brown's defenses look good. You also have to factor in that Joker has totally lost the fan base. To continue to ignore the proof on the field is just insane. I fully supported keeping Joker until this season has shown the same pattern as his first two. This ship is sinking and is in need of new leadership.

    Amen. Couldn't have said it better.

    nawlinsbaby

  • bluecatntn said...

    The upperclassmen we do have are solid contributors: Williamson, Rumph, Cobble, Wyndam, Ukwu, Benton, Neloms and Rice on the defensive side of the ball and Warford, Smith, Mitchell, King, McCaskill, Fields, Robinson, Sanders and Boyd on the offensive side.. The problem is we don't have enough experience in positions that are neccessary to succeed in the SEC and that's at LB, QB, Secondary and in the OL.. Those are all positions that are very tough to play as a freshman or sophomore.

    Benton, Ukwu, wyndham are a huge reason why our defense is not good at all.

    Go back and watch the miss state game tape. They threw at benton all day long and abused the hell out of him.

    hoptownukfan

  • bluecatntn said...

    The upperclassmen we do have are solid contributors: Williamson, Rumph, Cobble, Wyndam, Ukwu, Benton, Neloms and Rice on the defensive side of the ball and Warford, Smith, Mitchell, King, McCaskill, Fields, Robinson, Sanders and Boyd on the offensive side.. The problem is we don't have enough experience in positions that are neccessary to succeed in the SEC and that's at LB, QB, Secondary and in the OL.. Those are all positions that are very tough to play as a freshman or sophomore.

    I see those names out there a lot, but I wouldn't call what all of them do "contributing." In fact, out of those names I see 2 guys with legit next-level potential (Matt Smith and Larry Warford). I probably answered my own question, The Cats upperclasses just don't have the same kind of talent as the teams on their schedule.

    KSt

  • mtk4uk said...

    Darrell, most of the time I agree with you, but your point on how can you fire Joker is really weak. Joker was out coached and out prepared by Strong in the UL game. He was again out coached by Taggart. That was before injuries began to take their toll. Jokers team never looked prepared and are always playing from behind. You also fail to remember that UK has not scored in the first quarter of a game in almost 2 years. He went out and hired Rick Minter who now makes Steve Brown's defenses look good. You also have to factor in that Joker has totally lost the fan base. To continue to ignore the proof on the field is just insane. I fully supported keeping Joker until this season has shown the same pattern as his first two. This ship is sinking and is in need of new leadership.

    I agree......partly. I do believe that we need to part ways with Joker. I don't believe that the UL game was due to "being out coached and outprepared." Were we? Yes, but it goes beyond that. We had guys, like Simpson, that were liabilities on the field.....but they were the best we had at their positions so we had to play them. McDuffen at WKU was another example. He made the wrong read on a goaline play, took Avery out of the play, and let the RB walk into the endzone. In that instance (and many others) it's not bad coaching, it's playing guys with little-to-no experience.

    Don't get me wrong though. There is still plenty of evidence of poor coaching.....enough to warrant dismissal? Yes. And you are right, there was plenty to see before the injuries starting to snowball. And there is a pattern that is seen over the last 2.5 yrs.

    I wouldn't be hard on Minter though. Last yr we had absolutely no offense, no special teams, a weak secondary, and a poor d-line. And given the fact that they were on the field way too much and had poor depth, they played fairly well. This yr he doesn't have the players to play. Saban would have a hard time fielding a good defense us. (I'm not saying that Minter is Saban) I don't feel that Minter is a great DC, but he's much better than Brown.

    After your Minter/Brown comment in your post, I totally agree with your last few sentences.

    BlueRaider22

  • KSt said...

    I see those names out there a lot, but I wouldn't call what all of them do "contributing." In fact, out of those names I see 2 guys with legit next-level potential (Matt Smith and Larry Warford). I probably answered my own question, The Cats upperclasses just don't have the same kind of talent as the teams on their schedule.

    Spot on. The upper two classes are awful.

    Mikie benton was ABUSED saturday by Bumpus. They ran choice routes with Bumpus ALLL DAYYY LONG.

    Ukwu and Wyndham get abused on a weekly basis. I watched Wyndham get plowed 10 yards down field on about 1/3 of miss. states running plays. Our d-tackles hold up well. But teams don't run up the middle on us. They run off tackle...

    hoptownukfan

  • How can we fire him???

    Kentucky has become the worst team in the BCS, by far. Our team plays uninspired, unprepared, and most players show no development. The stadium is half full (maybe), and analysts make fun of UK on a daily basis.

    That's not all because a couple QB's sprained an ankle.

    I'm still surprised he hasn't been fired yet. If any of us did our jobs as poorly as Joker has, we would be fired on the spot. He is a complete Joke, and the more he sticks around the more I dislike him. Just knowing what he has done to any progress our football team had finally built up.

    BigBlue1202964

  • zcats said...

    The reason that we have so little talent and depth is a result of Joker Phillips' roster management. One of the main reasons we have so many injuries is due to playing kids who are not mature enough to play at this level. Name a part of the program that is improving. Recruiting? That is highly debatable. The guy makes questionable coaching decisions, is a bad manager, and is a very negative public relations figure. Has he had some bad luck? Absolutely, but luck is not why this program is failing. Outside of a complete resurrection over the next 3 games either you fire him or next year's attendance is going to look like a Texas high school program.

    Actually it's because Brooks had a geriatric ward making up half of his staff who refused to recruit.

    Joker should be held accountable for multiple mis-steps in his first year when we should have won 8 or 9 regular seasons games.

    The issues this year revolve around this. IN reality we only have three productive seniors on our roster. Warford, Smith and King.

    Amongst our worste defenders are benton, Ukwu and wyndham. They are awful. They were abused Saturday.

    I've said all along. ONce we reach 8 losses that's the time for Barnhart to make the move.

    Before then he needs to be putting out feelers to see who he could get to replace joker.

    I'm convinced we are a very attractive job at this point. You've got very good freshmen and sophs on the roster. Good qb's...

    Bottom line? We must perform.

    hoptownukfan

  • Heard from a pretty good source that Fulmer would be interested in the head coaching job at UK. And he and Chavis are extremely tight, the DC currently at LSU. Not saying I hope Joker is gone or that he stays, just sayin...

    Cat DR

  • Cat DR said...

    Heard from a pretty good source that Fulmer would be interested in the head coaching job at UK. And he and Chavis are extremely tight, the DC currently at LSU. Not saying I hope Joker is gone or that he stays, just sayin...

    Fulmer has been trying like crazy to get back in coaching. And he is pretty good friends with Barnhart. I just don't know that is the right fit for the UK job. He couldn't do any further damage, but not sure he would be able to turn this place around. I could be wrong though. You never really know.

    nawlinsbaby

  • UKlaw82 said...

    Someday I might agree with your negativity but most of it never makes any sense or has any truth to it but please keep trying I am still listening.

    Thanks for you polite response. I wasn't writing for you but can you point out what you feel in this post is in error. I would appreciate your effort.

    zcats

  • I don't know about Fulmer. Does anyone understand what went down at UT which has tradition and facilities comparable to UK in basketball. If he failed there how would he do at UK?

    zcats