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  • Chiuk said...

    But you see, the issue with your factual scenario is that there is no allegations or pending lawsuit against BP that puts UK on "notice".

    I would imagine that if no lawsuit against BP is filed (what's Arky's statute of limitations for this?) than its really a non-issue.

    That said - you still didnt answer my question about having evidence that BP is known to engage in "sexual harassment" (legal definition of that) in the office place (outside of the issues with his mistress) - which you indiectly implied in your original response to me.

    Finally, do you think the guy will do it again? Or are you saying that anyone ever accused or is under suspicion of sexual harassment, that they will never find employment again?

    It does not require a lawsuit to put an employer on notice. The lawsuit (or lack of lawsuit) has no bearing on potential employers because it doesn't require a lawsuit to be on notice.

    What evidence are you talking about? Hiring his mistress? Is there some factual dispute as to whether or not that happened? Sexual harassment is not a simple proposition, as there are several things that can be made the basis of a sexual harassment claim. The fact that acts happened that can be (or could have been) the basis of a sexual harassment claim serves as notice.

    It doesn't matter if I think he'll do it again. It matters if the person doing the hiring thinks he will do it again, or if allegations that he did it again are worth the risk given his coaching ability. I've never said he was unhireable. I've said that administrators of institutions funded by tax dollars are going to be cautious about hiring him. It is not just trusting him not to do it again, it is the conscious decision to hire him despite his prior problems that can also be the basis of liability or the loss of an affirmative defense.

    Again: He isn't untouchable. But there are serious issues that may prevent his hiring anywhere.

    JDHLaw11

  • JDHLaw11 said...

    It does not require a lawsuit to put an employer on notice. The lawsuit (or lack of lawsuit) has no bearing on potential employers because it doesn't require a lawsuit to be on notice.

    What evidence are you talking about? Hiring his mistress? Is there some factual dispute as to whether or not that happened? Sexual harassment is not a simple proposition, as there are several things that can be made the basis of a sexual harassment claim. The fact that acts happened that can be (or could have been) the basis of a sexual harassment claim serves as notice.

    It doesn't matter if I think he'll do it again. It matters if the person doing the hiring thinks he will do it again, or if allegations that he did it again are worth the risk given his coaching ability. I've never said he was unhireable. I've said that administrators of institutions funded by tax dollars are going to be cautious about hiring him. It is not just trusting him not to do it again, it is the conscious decision to hire him despite his prior problems that can also be the basis of liability or the loss of an affirmative defense.

    Again: He isn't untouchable. But there are serious issues that may prevent his hiring anywhere.

    Well Matt May has put an end to this stuff about him being hired 2 weeks ago as I also have said and I trust Matt when it comes to "sources" as I trust mine that have also told me no deal has been or will be made with BP. So you naysayers go ahead and doubt me and my source all you want but are you willing to doubt Matts many sources who have said the same thing? GO CATS

    sleepydog

  • I only have one source, and I didn't believe this thread the last couple days, but my source (huuuuuge booster) just texted me that Bobby Petrino "is" the next head coach at uk, it's already done... The op is correct, Idk anything about two weeks, or whatever, but he's the guy. Official! Not sure when it will be announced....

    shepp2700

  • shepp2700 said...

    I only have one source, and I didn't believe this thread the last couple days, but my source (huuuuuge booster) just texted me that Bobby Petrino "is" the next head coach at uk, it's already done... The op is correct, Idk anything about two weeks, or whatever, but he's the guy. Official! Not sure when it will be announced....

    Shepp, I have no doubt you believe in your source and maybe what I have heard is wrong, but I truly believe my guys wouldnt tell me something that wasnt true. The only thing I know for sure this whole thing will be over pretty soon but again that comes from my guys so maybe they are wrong about that too. I will just wait and see and hope your source is wrong and I still believe Matt and Chris wouldnt say what they have just said unless they were confident in who they get their info from, just like Im trusting in my guys and what they have told me. If Im wrong I will have egg all over my face and will admit to being wrong but I sure hope Im not.

    sleepydog

  • shepp2700 said...

    I only have one source, and I didn't believe this thread the last couple days, but my source (huuuuuge booster) just texted me that Bobby Petrino "is" the next head coach at uk, it's already done... The op is correct, Idk anything about two weeks, or whatever, but he's the guy. Official! Not sure when it will be announced....

    Shepp. I think we are wasting our time. Some would argue with a wall and make up stuff to do so. I honestly can't believe people think that you just get a contract set in stone in a couple of days, especially a self pro-claimed lawyer.

    footballcat65

  • footballcat65 said...

    Shepp. I think we are wasting our time. Some would argue with a wall and make up stuff to do so. I honestly can't believe people think that you just get a contract set in stone in a couple of days, especially a self pro-claimed lawyer.

    It seems that not too long ago, someone over there couldn't get a contract worked out in over 2 years.

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  • No one said anything about a contract other that the fact that there is no contract or wording in a contract that would protect the university from potential legal liability should BP make yet another foolish decision...which is a fact.

    I do not for a second believe BP is going to coach UK, but I admit anything is possible. However, it is an absolute 100% fact that he was NOT hired 2 weeks ago. That did not happen...period.

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  • sleepydog said...

    Shepp, I have no doubt you believe in your source and maybe what I have heard is wrong, but I truly believe my guys wouldnt tell me something that wasnt true. The only thing I know for sure this whole thing will be over pretty soon but again that comes from my guys so maybe they are wrong about that too. I will just wait and see and hope your source is wrong and I still believe Matt and Chris wouldnt say what they have just said unless they were confident in who they get their info from, just like Im trusting in my guys and what they have told me. If Im wrong I will have egg all over my face and will admit to being wrong but I sure hope Im not.

    I haven't seen Matt or Chris say anything in weeks lol. So I don't even know what that part means honestly. Just passing the info along in a way that people can actually see it, doesn't make a difference to me if anyone believes me, or if the source turns out wrong, but this sounds like a pure lock, and I am just as shocked. .... Go cats

    shepp2700

  • I have to put this out there... I have two sources who says BP is a done deal and WILL BE our next HC.

    Hell, I will even go a step further and ANNOUNCE who my sources are (something others are NOT doing)...

    and my two sources are...

    footballcat65 and shepp2700

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  • JawJacker said...

    I have to put this out there... I have two sources who says BP is a done deal and WILL BE our next HC.

    Hell, I will even go a step further and ANNOUNCE who my sources are (something others are NOT doing)...

    and my two sources are...

    footballcat65 and shepp2700

    coffee

    Nice!

    shepp2700

  • JDHLaw11 said...

    It does not require a lawsuit to put an employer on notice. The lawsuit (or lack of lawsuit) has no bearing on potential employers because it doesn't require a lawsuit to be on notice.

    What evidence are you talking about? Hiring his mistress? Is there some factual dispute as to whether or not that happened? Sexual harassment is not a simple proposition, as there are several things that can be made the basis of a sexual harassment claim. The fact that acts happened that can be (or could have been) the basis of a sexual harassment claim serves as notice.

    It doesn't matter if I think he'll do it again. It matters if the person doing the hiring thinks he will do it again, or if allegations that he did it again are worth the risk given his coaching ability. I've never said he was unhireable. I've said that administrators of institutions funded by tax dollars are going to be cautious about hiring him. It is not just trusting him not to do it again, it is the conscious decision to hire him despite his prior problems that can also be the basis of liability or the loss of an affirmative defense.

    Again: He isn't untouchable. But there are serious issues that may prevent his hiring anywhere.

    Response to your First Paragraph: If it doesn't require a pending civil suit against BP for sexual harrassment (which obviously would put UK on "notice") but just merely bad behavior that smells like sexual harassment, then I don't know how UKs affirmative defense you speak of could ever be a defense.....Based on that, even if they hired a guy off the street who then proceeded to create a "hostile work environment", it appears their could be an argument that UK doesn't get to use that affirmative defense in this scenario either.

    My point: I would think there is a legal difference between a person who has been adjudicated (or at least been named as a Defendant in a suit) as creating a hostile work environment, than a person who engaged in behavior that could potentially lead to a lawsuit, but has never been sued or adjudicated as such. BP falls in the latter category.

    Second Paragraph: You previously stated - "Maybe if you pretend that sexual harassment claims can only come from hiring practices." You are indirectly saying here that BP also engaged in possible sexual harassment behavior, outside of his hiring practices. I'm actually asking YOU what evidence you have to support that type of speculation.

    Third Paragraph: Fair enough and I do agree with you that it only matters to the person making the hiring decisions....however, I'm certain he'll coach again b/c some institution will decide to give a guy who made some mistakes another chance. And wherever he goes (I would love him to be HC at UK, but I'm realistic as well), he'll win football games.....

    Chiuk

  • jasonukfan said...

    JDHLaw11 said ...... "I'm still not convinced any administrator would take the risks associated with a Petrino hire" .....

    And many other people have spoken about the risks involved with hiring Petrino too.

    What are these risks that come from hiring Petrino? That he might take us to a BCS bowl and then leave for a new job. Where the hell do we sign?

    I could care less about the motorcycle/girlfriend thing at Arkansas. They were fools to fire him for that. Look at the mess Rick Pitino had in his personal life, and Louisville stayed the course with him. The result is a #2 ranked team following another Final 4 season under him. Arkansas could have competed for a national championship this year if they kept Petrino. I say, "Their loss, hopefully our gain".

    I sure hope footballcat65 is right about his prediction. I'll believe it when I see it, though. Nothing against him, I've just seen so many internet predictions go down in flames that combined they could probably cook a 100,000 pound cow. I won't hold my breathe waiting, but if Petrino is announced as our coach I'll probably be able to be heard celebrating in all corners of Kentucky.

    You obviously don't understand the ramifications of what BP exposed, not just the University, but the entire state of Arkansas to. He open them up to a multimillion dollar lawsuit. They are lucky the young lady went away quietly.
    Not to mention what would have happened if one of the other potential candidates for her job had decided to go after the school for unlawful and descriminatory hiring practices.
    That's what is wrong with what he did.
    And that MAY only be Arkansas.

    UKinL_ville

  • JawJacker said...

    I have to put this out there... I have two sources who says BP is a done deal and WILL BE our next HC.

    Hell, I will even go a step further and ANNOUNCE who my sources are (something others are NOT doing)...

    and my two sources are...

    footballcat65 and shepp2700

    coffee

    I nominate this for post of the year. Thanks JJ.

    footballcat65

  • footballcat65 said...

    I nominate this for post of the year. Thanks JJ.

    Haha... thanks. Just my way of telling everyone to relax and stop getting all bent out of shape over what people are posting. Some have legitimate sources and some don't... some are on here just to bullshit and some aren't. Everyone has their opinions, but no one knows anyone well enough to make false accusations... or label someone a "liar". Let's all just hope for the best and be ready to support whoever it is we get as our next HC... be it Bobby Petrino, Butch Jones, Phil Fulmer or Burt Reynolds. (don't laugh... if he can win with a bunch of misfits in a prison yard, with Chris Rock as an assistant and Adam Sandler as QB... then, he can win at UK).

    I just want it to be over already... GO BIG BLUE! cheers

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by JawJacker on 11/23/2012 at 8:13 PM

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  • BwahahahahahahahahananNansnanahahahahahah.

    Lol at footballcat65

    hoptownukfan

  • The Greer Facebook post has thrown more gas on the Petrino fire.
    Son of highly respected booster says Petrino to UK - then "whoops no that was just a joke" A joke or a premature disclosure? who knows but the media has now wadded into the middle of it.

    High drama tonight.confused

    "Ignorance is constricted awareness" - Deepak Chopra

    Deeeefense

  • Or he made it all up to feel important hoping it would come through and then realized it had basically gone viral and pulled it down to save face...

    hoptownukfan

  • And I say again, people will gravitate toward the information they want to believe, not necessarily the information they believe to be true.

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  • shepp2700 said...

    I haven't seen Matt or Chris say anything in weeks lol. So I don't even know what that part means honestly. Just passing the info along in a way that people can actually see it, doesn't make a difference to me if anyone believes me, or if the source turns out wrong, but this sounds like a pure lock, and I am just as shocked. .... Go cats

    Shepp Chris and Matt both have put a thread up saying their sources say that BP hasnt been hired or ever considered for the UK job not counting the past several hours. They both have the sources way beyond what I have but yet their sources and mine are saying the same thing so thats what Im going on and if Im wrong then Im wrong.

    sleepydog

  • Chris Fisher said...

    And I say again, people will gravitate toward the information they want to believe, not necessarily the information they believe to be true.

    If you weren't trying to goat people into paying to read your opinion maybe that would hold water. Nothing against you personally. I understand you're trying to make money with this site. Just don't blame us for what we discuss when you won't provide anything else to the discussion.

    Stoops Troops reporting for duty .... Which way to the front lines?

    jasonukfan

  • jasonukfan said...

    If you weren't trying to goat people into paying to read your opinion maybe that would hold water. Nothing against you personally. I understand you're trying to make money with this site. Just don't blame us for what we discuss when you won't provide anything else to the discussion.

    Heck, just wait until they name the coach, THEN it will be easy to see who needs to eat crow, and be known as someone who doesn't know jack. That will be more fun then the hire, lol.

    UKlaw82

  • jasonukfan said...

    If you weren't trying to goat people into paying to read your opinion maybe that would hold water. Nothing against you personally. I understand you're trying to make money with this site. Just don't blame us for what we discuss when you won't provide anything else to the discussion.

    Man has that become true of late. It all started when Mr. Two First Names came around. Pretty sure he's the culprit. Chris used to not be that way. Its had a hand in hurting the site.

    tWhit

  • UKlaw82 said...

    Heck, just wait until they name the coach, THEN it will be easy to see who needs to eat crow, and be known as someone who doesn't know jack. That will be more fun then the hire, lol.

    It will be "I told you so" after "I told you so". Then Hop and FBC65 will get into an argument and have 30 post bantering back and forth about who's a joke and liar. Just kidding guys.

    UK141240

  • Lets keep this thread at the top of the board so we can learn some lessons from it. Pure comedy too. This is fun.

    hoptownukfan