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Phil Steele projection

  • Did anyone see his projections for UK football? As well as he's respected it sucks to see that he said we would have the worst offense in the nation next year and he predicts us to be the 4th worst BCS team ahead of only Kansas, Temple, and Indiana. Also gives the 10th hardest schedule which could have a lot in the projection. But all this does is make me hope even more our team can prove more and more people wrong and show how much heart they have. Here's to hoping we can have a better season then everyone outside of the program believes we can have! GO CATS!!

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  • He obviously didn't see the Spring Game....much improved performance on offense over last season from what I hear.

    We'll be better at QB, WRs should be better, and the running game looks to be a strong point of our offense......how Steele can predict that we'll have that bad of an offense baffles me.

    Think about it - we'll be better than we were last year....and EVEN last year we weren't dead last in total offense in football.

    Chiuk

  • Phil Steele has been awful since the invention of the internet. he hasn't predicted more than 3-5 wins for us in the last 7. We have beaten his projectiong every year I think.

    hoptownukfan

  • We're improving in pretty much every aspect of our offense since last year outside of maybe the OL but we still returned good ones. How he thinks we'll be worse is beyond me but I have faith they'll show everyone come september

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  • I think people get too caught up in projections and predictions. Pretty sure not many people had Auburn doing what it did two years ago. Or Texas being very un-Texas like the past few years. No matter how much number crunching, analysis, projecting, whatever you do it doesn't make much difference on the field. I'm also not a big believer in using a previous year's stats to predict a future year's results.

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  • CampbellSoup07 said...

    Did anyone see his projections for UK football? As well as he's respected it sucks to see that he said we would have the worst offense in the nation next year and he predicts us to be the 4th worst BCS team ahead of only Kansas, Temple, and Indiana. Also gives the 10th hardest schedule which could have a lot in the projection. But all this does is make me hope even more our team can prove more and more people wrong and show how much heart they have. Here's to hoping we can have a better season then everyone outside of the program believes we can have! GO CATS!!

    It was posted in another thread.

    I forgot which one.

    Found it:

    http://kentucky.247sports.com/Board/296/My-2012-Football-Predictions-Breakdowns-of-OffDef-10305425/2

    This post was edited by 7lives on 6/26/2012 at 4:19 PM

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  • hoptownukfan said...

    Phil Steele has been awful since the invention of the internet. he hasn't predicted more than 3-5 wins for us in the last 7. We have beaten his projectiong every year I think.

    Actually, Phil is year in and year out the most accurate of the preseason magazines. I remember him predicting a bowl trip in 2006, when most people were ready to bury Rich Brooks. I've got the last couple of preseason yearbooks from him. I'll be glad to go back and see what he says about the last few teams-- and I bet he was pretty accurate.

    Gridiron_Joe

  • Gridiron_Joe said...

    Actually, Phil is year in and year out the most accurate of the preseason magazines. I remember him predicting a bowl trip in 2006, when most people were ready to bury Rich Brooks. I've got the last couple of preseason yearbooks from him. I'll be glad to go back and see what he says about the last few teams-- and I bet he was pretty accurate.

    Well, the past couple years may be accurate, but his 2012 projection is going to be WAY OFF. :)

    This post was edited by jamccain on 6/26/2012 at 5:03 PM

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  • Gridiron_Joe said...

    Actually, Phil is year in and year out the most accurate of the preseason magazines. I remember him predicting a bowl trip in 2006, when most people were ready to bury Rich Brooks. I've got the last couple of preseason yearbooks from him. I'll be glad to go back and see what he says about the last few teams-- and I bet he was pretty accurate.

    Please do, I look at his stuff and he is never accurate and I'm pretty sure he predicted 4 wins for us in 06.

    hoptownukfan

  • Gridiron_Joe said...

    Actually, Phil is year in and year out the most accurate of the preseason magazines. I remember him predicting a bowl trip in 2006, when most people were ready to bury Rich Brooks. I've got the last couple of preseason yearbooks from him. I'll be glad to go back and see what he says about the last few teams-- and I bet he was pretty accurate.

    Actually, while he may be telling the truth about his accuracy, it still wouldn't be saying much. I recently cleaned out my books going back about 5 years, but he's had as many wacky predicitions as he has been right. He really lets you know when he's right about something, and when he's wrong, he'll hand out several excuses as to why he missed it. I love his publication, but just for the amount of information it contains.

    JDHoss

  • hoptownukfan said...

    Please do, I look at his stuff and he is never accurate and I'm pretty sure he predicted 4 wins for us in 06.

    I know someone posted his predictions for the 07 team on another board...he picked us to miss a bowl game and win 4-5 games.

    WildcatGG24

  • P.Steele knows how to publish a rag. That's all. Based on what I saw this coaching staff do against UT last fall: slap the Vols around in CWS with a high school QB that displayed
    ALL-SEC courage, exemplifies what our opponents had better prepare for in 2012. Stats in a rag cannot quantify this, and P. Steele be damned. GBB

    This post was edited by dubcat on 6/26/2012 at 10:31 PM

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  • Gridiron_Joe said...

    Actually, Phil is year in and year out the most accurate of the preseason magazines. I remember him predicting a bowl trip in 2006, when most people were ready to bury Rich Brooks. I've got the last couple of preseason yearbooks from him. I'll be glad to go back and see what he says about the last few teams-- and I bet he was pretty accurate.

    you are so wrong. In 06 he said UK would win 5 games at most and Brooks would be going back to Oregon with his wife behind him. He also had Auburn winning 6 games when they won it all.

    dvillepro1

  • beating Louisville is what its all about.

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  • mrhotdice said...

    beating Louisville is what its all about.

    yep. if we win that game, and show some offensive potential it will go a long way to boosting the season and fanbase.

    nbtoppers2

  • Phil Steele is a freakin JOKE. Are you serious? Hes a hack that tries to take advantage of the large number of sports fans that like to gamble...let me know when you find ONE person he makes rich. other than himself. Anyone thinking we'll be that poor on offense this year absolutely knows nothing about football. WE stank last year. Heres why...Morgan Newton didnt pan out..leaving us without a SEC caliber QB untill Max Smith got some reps late. Oh, and we lost our two best rb's in Clemons and Ray Sanders...and our remington watchlist center was injured as was our starting left tackle out of the gate. No one could have predicted that....and no one could overcome that not named Alabama LSU, ect ect. A Kentucky cant.
    THis year..we have a SEC caliber QB working an entire year with the 1st team..and has stood in the fire at georgia lsu ect. Oh yeah..we have like 6 SEC caliber tailbacks..our recievers will be lots better..and Pat Washington will be a much better position coach than TEE. Ronnie Shields gives us a weapon at TE we've lacked post Tamme.
    Phil Steele can keep his predictions...we will be much better offensivley.

    BigBlueDawg12

  • Like things or not the onus(sp?) is on UK to come out and win games. We can argue Joker is/not good. We can argue Phil Steele is/not good on his predictions.

    The one thing that can not be debated at the end of the season is UK's W/L record.

    I get tired each season listening to how great things are in the off season and, "how this is going to be the year." For me, after 44 years there are no more pre season expectations or debate. Its pretty much, "show me the money" and we'll see where the chips are after the season.

    UK will be what their record says they are.

    bigbluemist

  • hoptownukfan said...

    Please do, I look at his stuff and he is never accurate and I'm pretty sure he predicted 4 wins for us in 06.

    I could only lay hands on the 2007-2010 magazines this morning. I remember him talking about UK having a great chance at a bowl game in 2006, but I can't find the 2006 magazine, so I guess our memories will just have to differ.

    In 2007, he thought UK wouldn't make a bowl. He based this off of UK going +15 in turnovers in 2006 and actually being outgained (awful defense). So he did whiff on that one.

    In 2008, he picked UK to the Papajohns.com bowl. We, of course, made the Liberty. Pretty similar.
    In 2009, he picked UK to the Music City Bowl. We made the Music City Bowl.
    In 2010, he picked UK to the Papajohns.com bowl. We made the Papajohns.com bowl.

    Sounds pretty close to me.

    Gridiron_Joe

  • I thought that Steele would hammer our outlook going into this season. from what I remember reading previous versions he puts a heavy emphasis on returning starters, particularly on the O line. And UK only returns 2, and replaces them with 3 guys who have I think a combined 3 or 4 career starts. Conversely I bet he is optimistic on the UT Viles, because they will play with a veteran O line with a huge number of career starts.

    we've got the position coach who can overcome these questions, of that I am comfident

    JHB4UK

  • Steele, as analysts go, is pretty highly regarded. There are a lot of valid reasons (read: data points) to make predictions like this.

    We play a schedule that he ranks as the 10th toughest in the nation, lost 5 starters off of an offense that was atrocious last season and will be relying on a SO QB, SO LT, rFR LG, rFR/SO slot/WR and (probably) a SO RB. Our most productive WR went ~40/600/7 last season. Our most productive back went 118/486/3. Our most productive QB went 54.9/819/4/4. We averaged about 260 yards of offense per game.

    I believe that Phil is a numbers/experience guy. The numbers weren't good last season and the experience isn't high this season. I don't think Phil, in analyzing 120 FBS and additional FCS teams each season has the wherewithal to look at more than just his data points. As UK fans, we can rationalize some of the poor statistics because we followed every injury and setback. Phil's just looking at the numbers.

    Not to say he's right, but I understand how he comes to his prediction. Personally, I believe this team will be pretty improved on the offensive side of the ball, so long as injuries don't cripple us and execution improves dramatically. To be fair, injuries to a few guys that we will rely heavily on and another season of poor execution coupled with the tough defensive schedule that we play could make Phil more right than wrong.

    This post was edited by JDHLaw11 on 6/27/2012 at 9:16 AM

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  • I predict Phil Steele's an idiot.

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  • mrhotdice said...

    beating Louisville is what its all about.

    If we beat da ville it could turn out to be a magical season. If not we could still fight hard and make a bowl. I realize if becomes super tough to make a bowl at that point but its still possible. We've got a young team. They should get better as the year goes along. Max Smith gives us a much better chance to win that game though than the guy that started for us a year ago.

    tWhit

  • JDHLaw11 said...

    Steele, as analysts go, is pretty highly regarded. There are a lot of valid reasons (read: data points) to make predictions like this.

    We play a schedule that he ranks as the 10th toughest in the nation, lost 5 starters off of an offense that was atrocious last season and will be relying on a SO QB, SO LT, rFR LG, rFR/SO slot/WR and (probably) a SO RB. Our most productive WR went ~40/600/7 last season. Our most productive back went 118/486/3. Our most productive QB went 54.9/819/4/4. We averaged about 260 yards of offense per game.

    I believe that Phil is a numbers/experience guy. The numbers weren't good last season and the experience isn't high this season. I don't think Phil, in analyzing 120 FBS and additional FCS teams each season has the wherewithal to look at more than just his data points. As UK fans, we can rationalize some of the poor statistics because we followed every injury and setback. Phil's just looking at the numbers.

    Not to say he's right, but I understand how he comes to his prediction. Personally, I believe this team will be pretty improved on the offensive side of the ball, so long as injuries don't cripple us and execution improves dramatically. To be fair, injuries to a few guys that we will rely heavily on and another season of poor execution coupled with the tough defensive schedule that we play could make Phil more right than wrong.

    This. In his industry, Steele is as good as it gets. He primarily uses objective data and SOME subjective info to form his predictions. He doesn't have the time to make a deep dive into the details of when each injury occurred for every team or how new/young players looked this Spring, but he is right more than he is wrong. To discredit his work or opinions based on a handful of incorrect predictions is just looking for something to bitch about because you don't like what he says about your team. No objective, non-UK fan in their right mind, who us looking at this team from a statistical basis without knowing things that only UK fans who follow the team like us would now, would even CONSIDER predicting 7 or 8 or more wins like some on here are doing.

    mjdotson

  • He normally picks us 5th or 6th in the SEC East. How is that wrong?

    Tskware

  • Tskware said...

    He normally picks us 5th or 6th in the SEC East. How is that wrong?

    I'm not saying he's wrong. Historically, you're going to pick UK or Vandy 5th or 6th, and that's not going out on a limb. My problem with Steele is that he's just a little too self congratulatory for my tastes on the things he does hit, and makes a myriad of excuses when he doesn't and will point out that others missed it as well. I love the publication for the information it contains (although I could do without going back several years on the player analysis on the team profile), but his accuracy, while it MIGHT be more accurate than the other publications, still doesn't exactly set the world on fire.

    JDHoss