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Phillips doesn't like idea of nine-game SEC schedule

  • Chiuk said...

    ^BBN: We could do that, but it'd involve dropping UL. We need at least 3 cake walks on our schedule, no matter how you slice it. Luckily, it was 4 cake walks when Kragethorpe donned the UL sidelines.....

    Oh absolutely. I'm in favor of that regardless. The UL game does NOTHING for us. Its not even a respected out of conference game (for good reason) when they're decent because they play in a high school football conference!!

    BigBlueNation 7

  • BlueGhost said...

    Well, we're not particularly very good, so probably. Yeah. Also, with the upcoming playoff system I think that the bowls are eventually going to be much less emphasized.

    Disagree 98% percent. The new format is really no different that when they created the 5th BCS bowl as the NC game. The bowls are too lucrative to ever downplay. While I concede that playoffs by their very nature expand (see NCAA Men's BB Tourney and I-AA playoff), neither of those had the existing bowl system juggernaut of I-A football.

    BigBlueNation 7

  • It's really all prediction at this point. We have no way of knowing how the populous of college football fans is going to react to the new playoffs. My personal belief is that in 10 years or so you're going to see about 25-50% less bowls as media interest (and therefore advertising money) dries up. And I also think you'll see an expansion of the playoff system to at least 8 teams by that point.

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  • BlueGhost said...

    I can certainly understand why Joker (or any SEC coach) feels that way. But I, as a fan, feel a bit cheated when we play WKU, Kent State and Samford as 3 of our 4 OOC games. I have no interest at all in watching us play Samford or any of these other schmoes. I would much rather see us pick up another SEC game against the west.

    I think BCS schools should have to schedule teams from other BCS conferences to make up their out of conference schedules. This improves the strength of schedule and makes for better games for the fans. I would rather play a Big East team like Cincinnati or Big 10 team like IU or Purdue or ACC team like Duke or Virginia over some of the patsies we see each year.

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  • FootballFan1st said...

    I think BCS schools should have to schedule teams from other BCS conferences to make up their out of conference schedules. This improves the strength of schedule and makes for better games for the fans. I would rather play a Big East team like Cincinnati or Big 10 team like IU or Purdue or ACC team like Duke or Virginia over some of the patsies we see each year.

    The downside to that is you will see an even greater concentration of football money to the top schools--that revenue sharing now occurs when you pay the cupcakes to come to your house and take their whipping. (i.e.- I-AA powerhouses like Appalachian State getting $950,000 to play in the Big House). Those games pay for the entire team's annual budget in a lot of cases!

    If you cut those games out all together, you will see a lot of smaller schools have to stop playing football in a relatively short time.

    BigBlueNation 7

  • BlueGhost said...

    It's really all prediction at this point. We have no way of knowing how the populous of college football fans is going to react to the new playoffs. My personal belief is that in 10 years or so you're going to see about 25-50% less bowls as media interest (and therefore advertising money) dries up. And I also think you'll see an expansion of the playoff system to at least 8 teams by that point.

    Agreed, hence the remaining 2%. I see the CHANCE for what you suggest, but just can't wrap my head around it. Its like the NBA, which obviously has at least 2 teams too many, but now that we have them, they aren't going away. Same for the bowls...we've got 'em, they're here to stay.

    BigBlueNation 7

  • BigBlueNation 7 said...

    I'd rather see us develop a rivalry with another conference, similar to the Big10/Pac-12 agreement now. I hate them, but the committee will look very favorable when Southern Cal plays 9 conference games, Notre Dame, AND a Big 10 opponent.

    I think either incorporating a lot of current rivalries and go to a SEC/ACC matchup for each team, OR tip the hat to the new kids and play a SEC/Big XII series. The numbers aren't as clean there though like with the now 14 team ACC.

    The Big10/Pac 12 agreement was scrapped last week do to scheduling difficulties. To many obstacles with all of their sports teams.

    FootballFan1st

  • BigBlueNation 7 said...

    Oh absolutely. I'm in favor of that regardless. The UL game does NOTHING for us. Its not even a respected out of conference game (for good reason) when they're decent because they play in a high school football conference!!

    and where does that put UK when UofL wins against UK?

    FootballFan1st

  • FootballFan1st said...

    The Big10/Pac 12 agreement was scrapped last week do to scheduling difficulties. To many obstacles with all of their sports teams.

    Good catch, I remember seeing that now. Still is the right idea. I think it was perhaps just too much of a hike for them travel-wise. They should have scheduled that with a closer conference.

    BigBlueNation 7

  • FootballFan1st said...

    and where does that put UK when UofL wins against UK?

    My point exactly. We have nothing to gain from beating a .500 team from a sh1t conference. The are and always will be little brother. We could beat them 4 years in a row, for instance, and then one loss and they are the greatest thing since sliced freaking bread.

    We are an SEC school--we are SUPPOSED to beat a Little East team, so when we don't we look infinitely worse. There is no point in a "rivalry" game where only one team looks good if they win. Michigan and Central Michigan isn't a rivalry, because Michigan is supposed to win every time (I admit thats a bit of a stretch, we aren't Michigan, but I want to make my point). As an SEC school, we gain nothing by playing Louisville.

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  • Drop UofL...

    It does NOTHING for UK. It was hoped that the series would help the prep instate talent. It hasn't.

    I think it should be 6-1-2 scenario... Where the bottom SEC team would play the bottom 2 SEC divisional finisher from the year prior, the middle SEC finisher would play the 2 middle divisional finisher and so on....

    Either we do the 9 with some sort of weighted back end or UK will be relegated to being the Homecoming doormat SEC game forever.

    This post was edited by Kooky Kats 247 on 7/19/2012 at 3:53 PM

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  • Kooky Kats 247 said...

    Drop UofL...

    It does NOTHING for UK. It was hoped that the series would help the prep instate talent. It hasn't.

    I think it should be 6-1-2 scenario... Where the bottom SEC team would play the bottom 2 SEC divisional finisher from the year prior, the middle SEC finisher would play the 2 middle divisional finisher and so on....

    Either we do the 9 with some sort of weighted back end or UK will be relegated to being the Homecoming doormat SEC game forever.

    I'm ticked I can't click up-vote more than once on this post, so I'll quote it instead.

    If weighted scheduling similar to what you describe is good enough for the NFL, why isn't it good enough for NFL Jr.???

    BigBlueNation 7

  • Chiuk said...

    I read it to mean, 1 more hard SEC battle/game to play and possibly lose.....and therefore lose your chance at playing for the NC.

    Yea, that really hurt AL last year losing at home to LSU, didn't it? I.e., how does losing to a tough team hurt you? Answer: It doesn't. Net, it's a false wringing of hands.

    This post was edited by vhcat1970 on 7/19/2012 at 4:38 PM

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  • FootballFan1st said...

    I think BCS schools should have to schedule teams from other BCS conferences to make up their out of conference schedules. This improves the strength of schedule and makes for better games for the fans. I would rather play a Big East team like Cincinnati or Big 10 team like IU or Purdue or ACC team like Duke or Virginia over some of the patsies we see each year.

    But again, are you cool with UK rarely winning 7-8 games in that scenario? Because that's the reality of what will happen most of the time. When you're a program like Kentucky you simply can't schedule that way, at least not if you have any realistic chance to have upward mobility.

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  • FootballFan1st said...

    I think BCS schools should have to schedule teams from other BCS conferences to make up their out of conference schedules. This improves the strength of schedule and makes for better games for the fans. I would rather play a Big East team like Cincinnati or Big 10 team like IU or Purdue or ACC team like Duke or Virginia over some of the patsies we see each year.

    Given that logic SEC teams should be some of the last schools that need to add tougher out of conference matchups, simply because of just how tough the in conference schedule is. There's a reason we play the patsies we do OOC.

    I agree with Joker if that it comes to a vote for 9 games, you have to protect your program and until we gain depth the physical health of our players. I also think that before we talk about adding anything to our OOC we need to work on winning in conference first. Just look at how many games we've dropped late in the season that we shouldn't have because of some very unfortunate injuries and guys who just can't carry that kind of load from season beginning to end. Start adding weight to the OOC and you'll be luck to make it through half of the SEC schedule with the lack of depth we routinely possess.

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  • vhcat1970 said...

    Yea, that really hurt AL last year losing at home to LSU, didn't it? I.e., how does losing to a tough team hurt you? Answer: It doesn't. Net, it's a false wringing of hands.

    The counterpoint to this is that if forced to drop an OoC gimmee and replace it with an additional SEC team then there is a real chance that the loss will come to an SEC team that isn't as good as LSU was last year. In a league (including the SEC), there are lots of times when a higher rated team is beaten by a lower rated team.

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  • I don't want any part of a 9 game SEC schedule but the weighted idea would be the way to go IF/WHEN it happens.

    I would have zero problem with dropping UL or putting them on a rotation where we play them every other year.

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