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  • mjdotson said...

    I don't want a gimmick offense, but I do want something that doesn't require elite players or 4th/5th yr players to execute it at a high level. Our offense was fantastic in 2007 and 2010. That's it, and its not a coincidence that both years had senior QB's and s lot of uppetclassmen at skill positions.

    This is just factually incorrect. The offense has been productive when we have had decent talent. Consider last year's offense. Only one player from it made a nfl roster. We don't need elite talent nor do we need veterans. We need a decent qb which we have in smith and good, not great receivers.

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  • hoptownukfan said...

    You have said some funny things on here. This beats them all. Just because a team is in the shotgun doesn't mean it's mumme's system. Sigh...

    it's funny because you don't understand what your watching , Belichick and Leach have been friends for years, the true spread principles that Pats use are very similar to what Leach/ Mumme used ,which
    came from Levell Edwards at BYU , that was one the main reason Belichick went after Wes Welker when he was cut, regardless if you like the offense or not it's not gimmick, the drag route that wes Welker uses for alot of his catches is the exact route that Couch and Yeast did alot. I actually had this converstion with Tim how similar the Passing scheme is, blocking scheme is different for college

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  • mjdotson said...

    Agreed. I don't think Randy is a bad OC. I just don't think his and Joker's system is that great for UK where it takes MOST of the players we recruit until their 4th or 5th year before they can execute it at a high level.

    I just don't buy that, MJ. I think it's more a matter of what players he has. You can document throughout his time at UK getting it done with good skilled players, regardless of age. It's about recruiting, not scheme.

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  • hoptownukfan said...

    I really like the joker/sanders system. I don't like Randy's play calling.

    I agree with this completely.

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  • I think it's funny that people are getting their panties in a wad over something that probably has no legs.

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  • Jeff Drummond said...

    I just don't buy that, MJ. I think it's more a matter of what players he has. You can document throughout his time at UK getting it done with good skilled players, regardless of age. It's about recruiting, not scheme.

    He's only had playcalling duties for 2 years, one year we had a very good offense and one year we had a very bad offense. I think pretty much every fan had a problem with several calls that Sanders has made in those 2 years.

    BigTyrone

  • Optimus-Blue said...

    it's funny because you don't understand what your watching , Belichick and Leach have been friends for years, the true spread principles that Pats use are very similar to what Leach/ Mumme used ,which
    came from Levell Edwards at BYU , that was one the main reason Belichick went after Wes Welker when he was cut, regardless if you like the offense or not it's not gimmick, the drag route that wes Welker uses for alot of his catches is the exact route that Couch and Yeast did alot. I actually had this converstion with Tim how similar the Passing scheme is, blocking scheme is different for college

    So mumme Amd leach invented the drag route?

    And ps:.... The patriots traded for Welker from the dolphins. Welker was very good for the dolphins too.

    Please stop. You are makin ish up now. I can deal with your nonsense but spewing nonsense is annoying. Especially when it is as far fetched as what you are saying In this threaD.

    Here you go... Welker was NOT released by the dolphins.
    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2788847

    This post was edited by hoptownukfan on 12/24/2011 at 10:34 PM

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  • Absolutely nobody from Bamaonline has heard anything like this. One guy said it started from a UT board which would explain SOOOOOO much. This is nothing more than a silly rumor and is squashed.

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  • Started here.

    Randy Sanders to Bama as OC...? @ TigerDroppings.com

    This rumor is picking up momentum. I sure hope not.

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  • hoptownukfan said...

    So mumme Amd leach invented the drag route?

    And ps:.... The patriots traded for Welker from the dolphins. Welker was very good for the dolphins too.

    Please stop. You are makin ish up now. I can deal with your nonsense but spewing nonsense is annoying. Especially when it is as far fetched as what you are saying In this threaD.

    Here you go... Welker was NOT released by the dolphins. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2788847

    It was trade, whatever I was thinking of Woodhead (from Jets) but back to my original point The Pats wanted Welker for the reason I stated above I didnt say that Mumme invented the drag route , just that the offensive passing scheme is very similar with the routes and reads but once again I dont think you understand the short passing game and it principles, but you want to talk scheme, pro and cons of Spread thats fine, but to say it gimmick is just flat out wrong and totally misguided. Dont take my word for it watch the games for yourself.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by OptimusBlue5716 on 12/25/2011 at 12:39 AM

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  • The spread O is anything BUT a gimmick. Some variations of it may be gimmicky, but to say the spread is a gimmick is a misinformed, uneducated or 20-yr out of date comment. It is a very popular and common scheme in today's world of football.

    mjdotson

  • zcats said...

    I think if Sanders is looking around it may be because of some discord between the coaches on offense.

    Two good posts, zcats.

    We have no idea if this rumor has any factual basis, but if it's true Randy Sanders would be a fool not to run as fast as he can for the Alabama state line. Tee passed on Bama last year. Sanders won't make that mistake this year.

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  • BigTyrone said...

    He's only had playcalling duties for 2 years, one year we had a very good offense and one year we had a very bad offense. I think pretty much every fan had a problem with several calls that Sanders has made in those 2 years.

    I wasn't referring to play-calling, only the notion that the scheme requires years of player development before they catch on. The scheme is fine. And all schemes require players.

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  • Nothing like a debate involving Hal Mumme on Christmas Day 2011. lol/sigh

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  • Jeff Drummond said...

    I wasn't referring to play-calling, only the notion that the scheme requires years of player development before they catch on. The scheme is fine. And all schemes require players.

    Again, you guys don't understand the term "spread.".
    There are MaNY forms of the "spread".
    You have the urban Meyer "spread". You have the "run and shoot" spread, you have mumme's system which is actually less of a spread than what you guys are describing.

    Some of you think that just because a qb is in the shotgun it = spread.

    The Meyer form of the spread is not a gimmick. It is balanced and has sound schemes. The mumme offense is a gimmick. There is a reason there are no major d-1 programs using it besides wsu.

    To say that urban Meyer and mumme's system are the same because some bs analysist calls it the spread is laughable.

    I want an offense that is balanced. I don't want some silly gimmick like the mumme system. And no, the patriots don't run mimme's system. You might be confusing urban Meyer with Leach.

    Meyer and bill b. are very close friends. I can find no mention that bill b and leach are friends.

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  • the Leach spread comes from Levell Edwards spread from BYU , where there is no " pistol " back like with urban myer and they does not include the the read option play, they also have a different read progression depending on the coverage harldy ever in Meyers system do they get 3 or 4 progression but the biggest difference is the blocking schemes on O- line, nothing gimmick about it, it modern football, as for Leach knowing Belchick he talks about relationship with him regularly on his radio show and how he picked his brain about defense and offense , but with multiple colleges , high school is running this system, it's here to stay, let's see what Texas AM does if it's a Gimmick like you say we should have no problem stopping it when we play

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  • Optimus-Blue said...

    the Leach spread comes from Levell Edwards spread from BYU , where there is no " pistol " back like with urban myer and they does not include the the read option play, they also have a different read progression depending on the coverage harldy ever in Meyers system do they get 3 or 4 progression but the biggest difference is the blocking schemes on O- line, nothing gimmick about it, it modern football, as for Leach knowing Belchick he talks about relationship with him regularly on his radio show and how he picked his brain about defense and offense , but with multiple colleges , high school is running this system, it's here to stay, let's see what Texas AM does if it's a Gimmick like you say we should have no problem stopping it when we play

    Hmmmm, all I got out of that is that you listen to Mike friggin Leach's radio show.....wow lol.

    This post was edited by MossCat15 on 12/25/2011 at 3:59 PM

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  • It sounds like some people have a problem with gimmicks or UNDERSTANDING what a gimmick is. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if I'm not mistaken... we beat UT and ended a 26 year streak by using a "gimmick". If by using a WR at QB (unexpected and for the 1st time) in the Wildcat formation for the ENTIRE game, is not a gimmick, then I don't know what is. Referring to something like the "Spread O" as a gimmick, just don't make sense to me. That's the way I see it, but maybe I'm missing something here.

    All I know, is that a "gimmick" beat the Vols!!! biggrin

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  • Sanders is a good OC and his system works very well with the right personnel. At 'Bama he'd have the talent to produce on a consistent basis.

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  • JawJacker said...

    It sounds like some people have a problem with gimmicks or UNDERSTANDING what a gimmick is. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if I'm not mistaken... we beat UT and ended a 26 year streak by using a "gimmick". If by using a WR at QB (unexpected and for the 1st time) in the Wildcat formation for the ENTIRE game, is not a gimmick, then I don't know what is. Referring to something like the "Spread O" as a gimmick, just don't make sense to me. That's the way I see it, but maybe I'm missing something here.

    All I know, is that a "gimmick" beat the Vols!!! biggrin

    This. Absolutely correct it was a total gimmick. Gimmicks are great if not used consistently. How many games would we win next year running that same offense? Would we even beat UT again? I don't think so. A flea flicker is a gimmick play, as is a reverse. These things all work because they catch teams that aren't prepared for them off guard.

    Balance is what wins consistently because it constantly keeps teams off guard, even prepared teams (as long as execution is there). The real question in this situation is if said offense is a gimmick or not. It definitely does not show balance, which is not a good thing when you are going to face teams who are more talented than yours, but IMO that doesn't necessarily condemn it to being coined a "gimmick" offense.

    The SEC has some of the best coordinates on both sides of the ball in all of college football, that much is fact. No one runs that system. No team in the NFL runs solely that system either. There is a reason for that, and that much cannot be argued.

    MossCat15

  • I don't care what you run it doesn't work without talent and it doesn't work without execution. It's SEC level defenses folks the simpler your offense the easier it is to defend. There is no offense that works in the SEC that requires no talent or any time to learn. It's silly to argue that there is.

    bigcat65

  • hoptownukfan said...

    Again, you guys don't understand the term "spread.". There are MaNY forms of the "spread". You have the urban Meyer "spread". You have the "run and shoot" spread, you have mumme's system which is actually less of a spread than what you guys are describing.

    Some of you think that just because a qb is in the shotgun it = spread.

    The Meyer form of the spread is not a gimmick. It is balanced and has sound schemes. The mumme offense is a gimmick. There is a reason there are no major d-1 programs using it besides wsu.

    To say that urban Meyer and mumme's system are the same because some bs analysist calls it the spread is laughable.

    I want an offense that is balanced. I don't want some silly gimmick like the mumme system. And no, the patriots don't run mimme's system. You might be confusing urban Meyer with Leach.

    Meyer and bill b. are very close friends. I can find no mention that bill b and leach are friends.

    I don't know why you addressed that to me. Far as I can tell, I haven't said anything about that point, and I don't disagree with you. lol

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  • Bigcat this is as true a statement that has been made.

    This post was edited by Warmother51 on 12/26/2011 at 12:30 AM

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  • bigcat65 said...

    I don't care what you run it doesn't work without talent and it doesn't work without execution. It's SEC level defenses folks the simpler your offense the easier it is to defend. There is no offense that works in the SEC that requires no talent or any time to learn. It's silly to argue that there is.

    100% correct. There is no one who could bring some type of magical offense to UK that will be successful without talent. My previous post was merely pointing out that if it were the most effective offense, it would be getting used in the best conference in football. Talent, execution, and I would add balance as the things that will make any offense (or D) successful. +1

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