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Sanctions Will Make Penn State the "Vanderbilt" of the Big Ten

  • Per comment from Fox Sports" Jason Whitlock

    "The sanctions cripple Penn State football. The four-year bowl ban, four-year scholarship reductions and the freedom granted to current players to transfer immediately without penalty or simply decline to play while maintaining their scholarships will make Penn State the Vanderbilt of the Big Ten," Whitlock writes. (Vanderbilt is a longtime doormat in the powerhouse Southeastern Conference.)

    "The reduction to Vanderbilt’s level of competitiveness is likely permanent," says Whitlock. "It’s going to take two decades for Penn State football to recover."

    Knowbody

  • as long as IU is a member then Penn State still won't finish at the very bottom of the Big 10+2...even with them only fielding 65 scholarships

    JHB4UK

  • Vandy minus the top shelf education. My wife's a PSU grad and described it as party central. I'm just glad for once our name wasn't mentioned.

    bigcatinva

  • Northwestern already has that crown.

    Kooky Kats 247

  • Jason Witless is a fat pork chop racist. So they can recover in 2 decades? I'd say they'll be up and running in less than one decade. Anything less than the death penalty was too lenient in my humble opinion. When you consider the crimes committed this is a slap on the wrist.

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    CarlLexington

  • CarlLexington said...

    Jason Witless is a fat pork chop racist. So they can recover in 2 decades? I'd say they'll be up and running in less than one decade. Anything less than the death penalty was too lenient in my humble opinion. When you consider the crimes committed this is a slap on the wrist.

    You just proved you have no idea what your talking about....again.

    MossCat15

  • Kooky Kats 247 said...

    Northwestern already has that crown.

    Yep. . .

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    BG631

  • CarlLexington said...

    Jason Witless is a fat pork chop racist. So they can recover in 2 decades? I'd say they'll be up and running in less than one decade. Anything less than the death penalty was too lenient in my humble opinion. When you consider the crimes committed this is a slap on the wrist.

    This really is worse than the death penalty due to its severity and duration...5 years of suffering vs. 1?

    Secondly, the "death penalty" really doesn't do as much as people think--it only hurt SMU as badly as it did because the ONLY reason players went there was because of the benefits and money. Once that was gone, why play there? That wouldn't play out the same at PSU.

    This post was edited by BigBlueNation 7 on 7/23/2012 at 3:02 PM

    BigBlueNation 7

  • BigBlueNation 7 said...

    This really is worse than the death penalty due to its severity and duration...5 years of suffering vs. 1?

    Secondly, the "death penalty" really doesn't do as much as people think--it only hurt SMU as badly as it did because the ONLY reason players went there was because of the benefits and money. Once that was gone, why play there? That wouldn't play out the same at PSU.

    The Penn State death penalty ... had it been imposed instead ... was to be 4 years.

    WildcatKNH :: my NCAA Resource Center > www.knhayes.com/NCAA

    wildcatknh

  • BigBlueNation 7 said...

    This really is worse than the death penalty due to its severity and duration...5 years of suffering vs. 1?

    Secondly, the "death penalty" really doesn't do as much as people think--it only hurt SMU as badly as it did because the ONLY reason players went there was because of the benefits and money. Once that was gone, why play there? That wouldn't play out the same at PSU.

    It's a 4 year bowl ban isn't it? I like the fine. I like the vacated wins. They lose some scholarships. I was thinking Penn St football will be permanently banned from the NCAA in every way. No team. Period. So I wanted worse than the death penalty. I wanted a new real death penalty.

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  • IMO Penn St will be more like a low level Sun Belt team in a couple of years than like Vanderbilt.

    Cll80

  • BG631 said...

    Yep. . .

    But the BigTEN as a whole has a nice education record. The conference prides itself on really good academics. Purdue is one of the top notch engineering schools in the country. Northwestern is Northwestern. And you need a 27 or greater on the ACT to be even considered at Michigan.

    That being said, I can't wait for SEC football.

    BlueRaider22

  • BlueRaider22 said...

    But the BigTEN as a whole has a nice education record. The conference prides itself on really good academics. Purdue is one of the top notch engineering schools in the country. Northwestern is Northwestern. And you need a 27 or greater on the ACT to be even considered at Michigan.

    That being said, I can't wait for SEC football.

    Not exactly sure what you mean by the statement about 'even being considered' for Michigan with a 27 on the ACT ... but on average, a quarter of the incoming freshman at UofM score below 27 on the ACT.

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    wildcatknh

  • wildcatknh said...

    Not exactly sure what you mean by the statement about 'even being considered' for Michigan with a 27 on the ACT ... but on average, a quarter of the incoming freshman at UofM score below 27 on the ACT.

    The vast majority of incoming freshmen at UM have an ACT >27......which is very, very high. I think an average score on the ACT is 19-21.....I think? They have soooo many students apply for admission every yr that if you have an ACT score <27 you had better have extra points to bring it up......the admissions board lists things like going to "higher academically rigorous high schools", or doing forms of community service (not penal....no), or extreme references, etc. It's been described as being an "Ivy League School That Can Play Football.".....though who actually said this first, I have no idea?

    And I would dare say that even though a quarter of the freshmen have a score below 27, I doubt there are many around the 18-22 ranges......probably 24-26.

    BlueRaider22

  • MossCat15 said...

    You just proved you have no idea what your talking about....again.

    In what way? Link provided with point by point comparison that agrees with me

    “I don’t think Penn State will be affected in the same way,” Chad McEvoy, a professor of sports management at Syracuse University, told FOXSports.com. “SMU struggled for years. Given their football success, SMU could have been a strong BCS school today. I can’t see how Penn State would be left out of the club in that regard. The Big Ten has not shown any inclination that it wants to drop them. The penalties will surely hurt them on the field for a few years. Ten years from now, however, they will likely be a strong force in the Big Ten again.”

    Comparing Penn State penalties to SMU - College Football News | FOX Sports on MSN

    Comparing Penn State penalties to SMU Comparing Penn State penalties to SMU

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  • CarlLexington said...

    In what way? Link provided with point by point comparison that agrees with me

    “I don’t think Penn State will be affected in the same way,” Chad McEvoy, a professor of sports management at Syracuse University, told FOXSports.com. “SMU struggled for years. Given their football success, SMU could have been a strong BCS school today. I can’t see how Penn State would be left out of the club in that regard. The Big Ten has not shown any inclination that it wants to drop them. The penalties will surely hurt them on the field for a few years. Ten years from now, however, they will likely be a strong force in the Big Ten again.”

    I agree with this article bc of two things: Playing time and the pride of the community. In 5-10 years, this story will be in a book, not a front page story. PSU will have massive holes to fill and a lot of the loyal parents and children will come back with a passion. They will play harder. Bc of my outlook on life, mainly looking well into the future, i would be afraid to play them in 10 years, seriously.

    trueUKgamer

  • Just a question.

    Will PITT benifit from Penn. State problems or will the best D-1 players chose to go elsewhere? Might be a chance here for UK to help themselves to some pretty good football players who might consider a SEC school and the fact that UK is 4-5 hour drive away?

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    mrhotdice

  • bigcatinva said...

    Vandy minus the top shelf education. My wife's a PSU grad and described it as party central. I'm just glad for once our name wasn't mentioned.

    PSU is well-above an average SEC school academically.

    vhcat1970

  • BlueRaider22 said...

    The vast majority of incoming freshmen at UM have an ACT >27......which is very, very high. I think an average score on the ACT is 19-21.....I think? They have soooo many students apply for admission every yr that if you have an ACT score <27 you had better have extra points to bring it up......the admissions board lists things like going to "higher academically rigorous high schools", or doing forms of community service (not penal....no), or extreme references, etc. It's been described as being an "Ivy League School That Can Play Football.".....though who actually said this first, I have no idea?

    And I would dare say that even though a quarter of the freshmen have a score below 27, I doubt there are many around the 18-22 ranges......probably 24-26.

    My step-gdaughter had an ACT of 29 this year & got accepted at MI but no financial aid. She's going to UK with financial aid.

    vhcat1970

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