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poliglotcat said...
A bit bad behavior by the coach. A bit overblown by the media. But let's not "reconstruct" facts. The shove came first, period. Woods was not provoked into shoving the kid. Woods wanted to beat UK seemingly at any cost (the number of fouls). Maybe next time, he will simply send the player to the bathroom for two hours ...
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tommy said...
Was Sean Woods a bit out of line? Yes. The guy is an intense and annimated coach. Im from the old school a bit. Playing on a state championship football team as well as in the state tourney in hoops ive been straight dressed down by coaches more than a few times. Ive been dragged across the sidelines by my face mask, snatched up by my basketball jersey, and I wont bother going into some things that have gone down in practices...but as a player its just part of being coached. Woods shouldnt have shoved him in the back, but we are not talking about Bob Knight caliber antics here.
Also, there are some things being left out of this incident...
1.) This kid has played for 4 schools in 4 years. He has a wrap sheet a mile long on and off the court. He has been a serious dumbass. Woods gave this kid his last shot to play college ball in his senior year and earn a degree. This kid needs some guidance and tough love. However, maybe he wont respond to that...maybe with his history he simply isnt going to respond to anything.
2.) I was told last night that after fouling out Woods was calling for the player to come huddle up with the team, yet he continued to mosey along at his own pace. That was the reason for the shove. As the kid was walking to the sideline he began jawing ay Woods which lead to the arguing. The player then basically said "F**k you" as well as something along the lines of handling this outside the lockeroom as well as "we can make this real" which obviously set Woods completely off.Now, I wasnt there, I didnt hear any of that. However, I trust the source of what I was told. You could definately see the kid swell up on woods as he started jawing as Woods walked away (before he went to sit down) and if you watch closely, an asst coach also reacted immediately to whatever he said as he jumped in, also began dressing down the player, and even restrained him by wrapping his arms around him. It was at that point Woods lost his shit so the player obviously said something crazy.
Im not condoning Woods shoving him in the back, however, the rest (getting in his face and going off) is common and a part of sports. Ive not heard a single player (current or former) say he should be disciplined over this. I guarentee you those making such a big deal out if this (media and mess board posters) never played real organized sports.
This is classic examples of media digging to make a story or making more of it than it should be, and over sensitive PC people commenting on a world they know very little about.
All that said, everyone has a right to their opinions whether I agree or not. Woods absolutely couldve handled the situation better, and I hope he learns from this. More importantly, I sincerely hope he is able to continue coaching at Morehead. He has that team playing very hard. And any who knows Woods knows he passionately cares about his kids.
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PatWren said...
Carl......I could be wrong about this. I was wrong once about 30 years ago...if I'm not mistaken. However, the kid was dropping "F Bombs" as he was leaving the court....before arriving at the bench.....a.k.a. The place where the "shove" occurred. So no.....I stand by my first observation. Take some testosterone, grow a pair, and man up.
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CarlLexington said...
Did anyone else think he was over the line when he shoved his player, basically hitting him in the back? Then he literally got into the kids face and screamed bloody murder for almost an entire timeout. Anyone know what the kid did? I think he fouled but I didn't see if he did anything to deserve that kind of outburst. I'm fine with yelling and getting in a kids face. I draw the line at getting physical with a kid. My opinion is that if a coach can't compose and control himself enough not to strike a kid he shouldn't be coaching.
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mtk4uk said...
I find this whole thing rather funny. You have everyone reaching conclusions as to why it happened and that the player was totally innocent in the whole mess. You also have everyone saying that Woods should not have yelled at the player. The shove may have been excessive but it was not as drastic as some are making it out to be. As for the yelling, are you kidding me? Coaches cant raise their voice now? Our society is becoming so weak and intolerable to any criticism or correction of any kind. People need to get a grip and stop with tI didnt reead that rying to turn everything into some sort of abuse. Perhaps if there was a little more discipline given to young people there wouldnt be so much disrespect and acting out on the part of kids.
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jasonukfan said...
Whatever you say man! He didn't do anything but push him toward the bench. These aren't grade school kids we're talking about, they are grown men. Woods didn't physically hurt the guy in any way whatsoever. By your comments I'd be surprised if you even saw the argument. It looks like you only read about it.
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jasonukfan said...
Whatever you say man! He didn't do anything but push him toward the bench. These aren't grade school kids we're talking about, they are grown men. Woods didn't physically hurt the guy in any way whatsoever. By your comments I'd be surprised if you even saw the argument. It looks like you only read about it.
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CarlLexington said...
I will concede one thing to the people that are fine with physical violence by coaches in college basketball. The coverage is getting to be too much now. I was fine with it for a couple days. It's an important and interesting debate so I get the coverage at first. But still talking about it at every break on ESPN is getting a bit much. The MSU administration is partly to blame because they are dragging their feet on punishment, if they even do punish him. The offense was very public so I think the reprimand should be public as well.
And just an afterthought for those that think physical violence makes real men. Cal has never laid a hand on a player. Are you saying Cal doesn't mold real men? And before you say, "yeah but Cal has never had a hard case like the kid Woods shoved", I say bullshit. Camby and Cousins come to mind. Another thought I forgot to mention that I even said at the time of the incident, "I wonder if he would have puched Cousins for the same thing. I'd like to see that". I'd like to see it because Cousins woulda knocked him flat on his ass, which is exactly what he deserved.
This post was edited by sleepydog on 11/23/2012 at 2:22 PM
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CarlLexington said...
haha BCG knew how to give em that old time religion. And yeah that's another thing I haven't mentioned that I'm not liking Woods about now. I like hard tough defense but the crap he was pulling was plain thuggery. It wasn't just the UK game either. Apparently hack a team is their strategy this year. Come on man. Play basketball. If you like cage fighting that much go coach some cage fighters.
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Nate87 said...
I'm pretty sure the NCAA has hand check rules, but the referees should be instructed to execute it like NBA refs. I absolutely hate watching that kind of game. Louisville and most BE teams play that way. Hand checks, bumping the ball handler, smacking slashers on the arms, etc. are all fouls. Watch the Big East and find me a team that doesn't do this constantly. Syracuse isn't as bad, but they play that little girl zone crap.
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sleepydog said...
Nate, speaking of handcheck rules and refs have you seen the piece on how D. Willis and the way other HS teams played him last year has brought a pretty big change in how the games are going to be called? They said that in Trinitys game against Willis and his team in the Sweet16 last year they mugged him all game long and Willis said after the game he was covered with new bruises and there were too many to count. Now I am not saying it should be called so close that it hinders the flow of the game but a consistent way of calling a game is very important.IMO
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