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TCP Football Yearbook Q&A: Joker explains 'what gives me hope'

  • http://kentucky.247sports.com/Article/QA-Kentucky-coach-Joker-Phillips-previews-2012-season-79547

    Kentucky coach Joker Phillips talks about the 2012 season in an extensive Q&A with The Cats' Pause.

    This post was edited by Matt May on 7/3/2012 at 9:18 AM

    Darrell Bird

  • Thanks, Darrell, for posting that Q&A. Lots of good tidbits in there.

    Joker is as candid as any coach out there regarding recruiting "misses". Every school has them, although UK probably has as many as any other SEC school given how it is in the position of having to "project" out-of-state under the radar types. Obviously, they need to continue to reduce the number of "misses" so the two-deep has more talented 3, 4, and 5 year players.

    Enjoyed Joker talking about the importance of having quality TE's to help protect the edge. In the SEC, you're facing physical freaks at DE each week, and asking OT's to keep those guys off of the quarterback is a tough task even for the highly touted OT's. UK hasn't been landing too many highly touted OT's, so UK especially needs an effective blocker at TE to help out.

    Jeremy Grey

  • Great article. Thanks. The below quote was very telling.

    "When we took over, there were a lot of guys that we felt we made mistakes on. Now, the number of mistakes is way down. The junior and senior classes are small for a reason. They’re small because a lot of guys didn’t think they could play here, a lot of guys we didn’t think could play here. The young classes are bigger because we feel like there have been less mistakes made."

    MinterWonderlnd

  • It's good to hear Dy'Shawn has the speed to be a kick return guy... I would have never thought Joker would call Robinson out by saying "if he does get ran over he will get ran over slowly"... I always thought Robinson was a pretty good blocker, this must be alittle something to motivate him, atleast I hope so... I just hope we can land a true ILB in this class. I also hope Caffey is Lindley @ 200#, I also agree Rice is a good Corner, I often wondered why he wasn't the starter last year...

    So many question marks on this team I really hope we are a tough out every week, I also hope all our 12 commits have made it. I think we are going to need atleast 10 of em...

    From the way it's sounding Larry must be playing LG this year or Miller has moved from LT to RT because Joker said Miller has Larry next to him... Maybe he got confused or maybe i'm confused... IDK, GO CATS!!!

    todd

  • MinterWonderlnd said...

    Great article. Thanks. The below quote was very telling.

    "When we took over, there were a lot of guys that we felt we made mistakes on. Now, the number of mistakes is way down. The junior and senior classes are small for a reason. They’re small because a lot of guys didn’t think they could play here, a lot of guys we didn’t think could play here. The young classes are bigger because we feel like there have been less mistakes made."

    This^^^^

    I agree totally with that statement, too. The Cats will not be pushovers this season and stand primed and ready to pull a major upset or two. Who knows, though. I can't wait for the opening kickoff against the Cards!!!explode

    focust1

  • At the end of the day- Joker Phillips, Randy Sanders, and Chuck Smith have a significant potion of responsibility for many of those "misses". I think this is one of the biggest reasons the fan base is still skeptical about the staff. To say Joker and others shouldn't be partially responsible for those misses is foolish.

    MinterWonderlnd

  • MinterWonderlnd said...

    At the end of the day- Joker Phillips, Randy Sanders, and Chuck Smith have a significant potion of responsibility for many of those "misses". I think this is one of the biggest reasons the fan base is still skeptical about the staff. To say Joker and others shouldn't be partially responsible for those misses is foolish.

    They may be responsible for some of those misses, but probably not the majority. Turn the clock back and look to see who most of the productive kids mentioned as their lead recruiter 4-5 years ago. My guess is Joker. He couldn't recruit 25 kids per year. Who is our hottest recruiter now? Probably Cassity. He wasn't on staff. Summers is having some success also.

    usa1000

  • MinterWonderlnd said...

    At the end of the day- Joker Phillips, Randy Sanders, and Chuck Smith have a significant potion of responsibility for many of those "misses". I think this is one of the biggest reasons the fan base is still skeptical about the staff. To say Joker and others shouldn't be partially responsible for those misses is foolish.

    Significant responsibility? That's pretty unfair. Rich Brooks was responsible for that staff, and ultimately, the things that happened on his watch. He opted to stick with four or five coaches who were awful on the recruiting trail, if they even chose to deal much with it to begin with. You can't have two or three guys handling your entire recruiting.

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  • usa1000 said...

    They may be responsible for some of those misses, but probably not the majority. Turn the clock back and look to see who most of the productive kids mentioned as their lead recruiter 4-5 years ago. My guess is Joker. He couldn't recruit 25 kids per year. Who is our hottest recruiter now? Probably Cassity. He wasn't on staff. Summers is having some success also.

    Turner has added the two highest ranking players. Bell and Hyde are great prospects, could play for anyone. If he adds Drennon it won't even be close. I'm glad he is stepping his game up. I just don't see how anyone can say Cassidy is YET. We need someone who can recruit WR's and LB's. Alot of "experts" say landing good LB's has everything in the world to do with what type of personality their position coach has. I really wish Smith could land a few big name players, it would make his job so much easier.

    todd

  • Matt May said...

    Significant responsibility? That's pretty unfair. Rich Brooks was responsible for that staff, and ultimately, the things that happened on his watch. He opted to stick with four or five coaches who were awful on the recruiting trail, if they even chose to deal much with it to begin with. You can't have two or three guys handling your entire recruiting.

    Unless you are at Bama or LSU, but I agree at KY you need a entire staff that can recruit. As bad as I hate to say it I think there are one or two on the staff right now that can't recruit.

    todd

  • MinterWonderlnd said...

    At the end of the day- Joker Phillips, Randy Sanders, and Chuck Smith have a significant potion of responsibility for many of those "misses". I think this is one of the biggest reasons the fan base is still skeptical about the staff. To say Joker and others shouldn't be partially responsible for those misses is foolish.

    Hey dude - you can't see the forest for the trees.

    If you can agree that we have less misses now and more misses then, then logic would seem to say that those that are gone would likely be the cause of such misses. If it were due to Phillips, Sanders and Smith then the percentage of misses would tend to remain the same.

    Of course logic doesn't mix well with agendas.

    IamRV

  • So, all of the productive players are the kids that joker, sanders, and chuck smith brought in and the "mistakes" and "misses" were on the other assistants that got fired?

    MinterWonderlnd

  • MinterWonderlnd said...

    At the end of the day- Joker Phillips, Randy Sanders, and Chuck Smith have a significant potion of responsibility for many of those "misses". I think this is one of the biggest reasons the fan base is still skeptical about the staff. To say Joker and others shouldn't be partially responsible for those misses is foolish.

    I agree that Joker, Sanders, & Smith have a significant portion of the responsibility and Joker is owning up to that, hence the "we made mistakes". Not sure what else you want him to say as his statement is accurate and refreshing to hear from a HC.

    They have addressed the issues w/coaches who didn't/couldn't recruit and replaced them. There is alot of young talent on the team and the staff is going to have to them coach them up quickly. Hopefully we can show enough improvement for Joker to keep his job as I think we are on the right track with these last few classes...and if Joker doesn't get it done than the next staff will have a nice talent base to start with.

    jacksoncat

  • MinterWonderlnd said...

    So, all of the productive players are the kids that joker, sanders, and chuck smith brought in and the "mistakes" and "misses" were on the other assistants that got fired?

    No, but also, not all of the mistakes were joker, sanders, or chuck smiths. You make it seem like you think it was ALL their fault.

    trueUKgamer

  • MinterWonderlnd said...

    So, all of the productive players are the kids that joker, sanders, and chuck smith brought in and the "mistakes" and "misses" were on the other assistants that got fired?

    Seems like percentage wise, they'd be around 33.3% of the blame. Considering I remember a few stretches made by past coaches, that numbers drops even lower.

    Also, Joker kind of explains how they had a few coaches do the work of 9 coaches...

    Yes, those 3 coaches (Joker, Sanders, Smith) hold some responsibility...but to me it seems like Sanders and Smith would have been fired if they were sub par recruiters.

    WildcatGG24

  • Great article. Joker has made some mistakes the first two years but has hopefully learned from them. There is no questioning his love for UK and this program. I think the sophmore and incomng freshmen class are improvements in talent. Hopefully, he can win enough games this year and give the AD justification to bring him back and fans a reason to jump back on the bandwagon. The UL game is huge, win that one and alot will be forgiven.

    PAXCAT

  • jacksoncat said...

    I agree that Joker, Sanders, & Smith have a significant portion of the responsibility and Joker is owning up to that, hence the "we made mistakes". Not sure what else you want him to say as his statement is accurate and refreshing to hear from a HC.

    They have addressed the issues w/coaches who didn't/couldn't recruit and replaced them. There is alot of young talent on the team and the staff is going to have to them coach them up quickly. Hopefully we can show enough improvement for Joker to keep his job as I think we are on the right track with these last few classes...and if Joker doesn't get it done than the next staff will have a nice talent base to start with.

    I'm down with this line of thinking. No, joker, sanders, and chuck smith aren't responsible for all the misses, but those 3's fingerprints are all over this roster. Can't deny it. Glad Joker is owning up to it and I hope he can turn it around.

    MinterWonderlnd

  • WildcatGG24 said...

    Seems like percentage wise, they'd be around 33.3% of the blame. Considering I remember a few stretches made by past coaches, that numbers drops even lower.

    Also, Joker kind of explains how they had a few coaches do the work of 9 coaches...

    Yes, those 3 coaches (Joker, Sanders, Smith) hold some responsibility...but to me it seems like Sanders and Smith would have been fired if they were sub par recruiters.

    When joker was an assistant and HCIW, he alone was responsible for the recruitment of probably 25% or more of each class. Chuck Smith played a huge role as well.

    MinterWonderlnd

  • We've all talked about this many times almost everyone has admitted Joker, Smith and Sanders done the majority of the recruiting. Since Joker, Smith and Sanders get the majority of the blame they should also get the majority of the "pats on the back" for the good ones... I just hope we don't suffer the same problems 3 or 4 years from now because of the same thing...

    The sec doesn't have weak links anymore, back 5 years ago there were a couple SEC teams we could beat now everyone has passed us by on the trail... I know a team can not rely on recruiting alone but it sure makes it easier... One can only hope our classes are way under-rated because we were last in 12 and will probably be last again in 13 with Joker's job on the line... It also sucks for us that Mizz and Vandy have been on a role... It's funny how Franklin's first class wasn't all that great and as soon as they showed signs during last season things started to take off. I really hope this can happen for Joker, if we can play better than most think it should help on the trail. Joker's job is in his own hands... He can't ask for any more.

    todd

  • MinterWonderlnd said...

    When joker was an assistant and HCIW, he alone was responsible for the recruitment of probably 25% or more of each class. Chuck Smith played a huge role as well.

    Then maybe Brooks should have had more recruiters on staff.

    1/9 of the coaching staff being responsible for 1/4 of the class? Sounds like a bad equation.

    Joker addressed this with his staff...wants 2-4 players per coach.

    WildcatGG24

  • One thing that really "gives me hope" is that (last yr) with no offensive line, WR's that catch 50% of the time, QB's that can deliver a catchable ball 50% of the time, no special teams return game, a below average defensive line, and a poor secondary....we can almost go .500 in the top conference in the nation during it's hay-day.

    It was not so long ago that going 2-10 or 3-9 was the norm.....and 4-8 was the peak. It's a blessing that so many are on boards like these talking about how 6-7 or 5-7 records are beneath us now.

    BlueRaider22

  • IMO if the coaching staff can just survive this year the better talent that they have been recruiting will have some seasoning and should be ready to have a good year in 2013.

    C1180

  • IMO if the coaching staff can just survive this year the better talent that they have been recruiting will have some seasoning and should be ready to have a good year in 2013.

    C1180

  • todd said...

    Turner has added the two highest ranking players. Bell and Hyde are great prospects, could play for anyone. If he adds Drennon it won't even be close. I'm glad he is stepping his game up. I just don't see how anyone can say Cassidy is YET. We need someone who can recruit WR's and LB's. Alot of "experts" say landing good LB's has everything in the world to do with what type of personality their position coach has. I really wish Smith could land a few big name players, it would make his job so much easier.

    Add Nord to the coaches getting mentioned quite frequently. Hyde I think was a Nord/Turner combo. Summers has landed a couple. However, Cassity is mentioned by a lot of the very high level guys that we are in on and haven't locked down yet. That is b/c he covers South Florida and Southern Ohio. So, we have just mentioned four assistants that are getting it done. Add Joker to that mix and you have 5 really good recruiters. Washington may or may not pan out as a recruiter, but by all reports is a good coach. I don't hear much from Sanders and Minter on the recruiting trail, but they may be b/c they are coordinators. Point being, recruiting is now a team effort, not just one or two guys.

    usa1000

  • Thanks for the article, Darrell.

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