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  • So nobody in the Louisville media talked about Hurtt.today. Now the CJ puts out an article saying if he gets the show cause he can stay in the coaching staff. I'm sure he can but they are just acting like it's no big deal.

    Unknown Titlke

    http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20130122/SPORTS02/301220066/1002/NCAA-show-cause-penalty-wouldn-t-preclude-Clint-Hurtt-from-staying-Louisville

    www.courier-journal.com

    bigbluerules ●

  • Well he can stay on the coaching staff, however his restrictions would probably be that he can't have any contact with recruits on/off campus, on the phone, or at all. He would become a de facto DL coach of which he isn't all that great at. His value is in his recruiting and if he can't do that for 3 or 4 years I don't see the point of keeping him on. That and by keeping him I would imagine that it will bring only more eyes to anything he does, but..... the NCAA doesn't have the volume of investigators to inspect every school and every case. In most circumstances the media or some other party has to do the leg work for the NCAA to get involved (Miami, UNC, Ohio St, USC, etc...). More and more local papers/media can't afford the cost of investigative work and would rather run topics/articles that more over just get people arguing with each other and talking.

    kyleb740

  • kyleb740 said...

    Well he can stay on the coaching staff, however his restrictions would probably be that he can't have any contact with recruits on/off campus, on the phone, or at all. He would become a de facto DL coach of which he isn't all that great at. His value is in his recruiting and if he can't do that for 3 or 4 years I don't see the point of keeping him on. That and by keeping him I would imagine that it will bring only more eyes to anything he does, but..... the NCAA doesn't have the volume of investigators to inspect every school and every case. In most circumstances the media or some other party has to do the leg work for the NCAA to get involved (Miami, UNC, Ohio St, USC, etc...). More and more local papers/media can't afford the cost of investigative work and would rather run topics/articles that more over just get people arguing with each other and talking.

    My conspiracy is he knows where the skeletons are buried re: Bridgewater and they're stuck with him.

    TacosMcGee

  • Just curious when the "move along, nothing to see here" is going to end. UL's LEAD recruiter is about to get B slapped by the NCAA for MAJOR violations along w/being associated w/a CONVICTED felon. Is this REALLY what you want other recruiters competing against you to have as ammo in the living room's of kids and their parents??? I get the whole loyalty, everyone is innoncent until proven guilty etc. but this is one of those deals that is extremely hard to just sweep under the rug.

    ukaveman

  • His ability is as a recruter. There are plenty of good coaches out there. We now know why he has that "recruiting" ability. It is crazy that someone does not investigate UL. Strong had to know what was going on at Miami, he was DC at Florida at the time. He still hired Hurtt. Bridgewater had no ties to UL until Hurtt was hired. He then flipped.

    Seriously. We need a good investigative journalist. Obviously the CJ is not going to do it.

    Rumor is that Strong was going to TN but he had to have Hurtt. TN said no way, that was why he turned it down. Is there any truth to this?

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by WLGenerals54048 on 1/22/2013 at 10:38 PM

    WLGenerals54048

  • WLGenerals54048 said...

    Seriously. We need a good investigative journalist. Obviously the CJ is not going to do it.

    It's not as easy as it seems to be. The local sports papers have gone away from impartial reporting to supporting the schools without regard. Why? Cause the script has flipped. Schools used to have to give support to papers and media credentials no matter what if they were to get exposure. Now you have the internet. Schools can bunker themselves by giving news to only those who support their cause because unless you have a large power bearing down on you (NY Times, Yahoo, etc) you can just push them out. Jurich has been a pro at this (I am not saying that he is hiding anything at all); he knows he can control the local sports media because they have no power. If they say anything against him he can blacklist them. He has done this numerous times. And when you have the old guard of the sports industry moving into other media (Bozich to WKRD, Forde to ESPN, and the like) you have these kids who are going to protect their career rather than rock the boat. Even though everyone here hates Tipton that is why I respect him to some regard even though he has a bias in the opposite direction; at least he doesn't give into people attempting to try to sway his coverage (even if I don't agree with it). And also credit UK/Barnhart/etc for not attempting to just throw him by the wayside even though they could probably get away with it considering the slow death of the newspaper.

    kyleb740

  • If he is named AND his response is "shame on me", "I didn't know", or "sorry I won't do it again", he will be terminated or at least SHOULD be. Any coach that brings trouble from a past school should be under a "show-cause". I am sure all will agree to that.

    It really depends on the response he gives. At this point, it is a one way conversation with the NCAA bringing the first bit of information.

    None-the-less, if he is dirty, send him packing.

    Borrow money from a pessimist -- they don't expect it back.

    BIRDSEAT

  • WLGenerals54048 said...

    Rumor is that Strong was going to TN but he had to have Hurtt. TN said no way, that was why he turned it down. Is there any truth to this?

    Wait, the SEC turned down a coach because of his possibly shady past? That is no where near the company line. Even you have to say "Naw, I know better" on that one.

    Borrow money from a pessimist -- they don't expect it back.

    BIRDSEAT

  • WLGenerals54048 said...

    Rumor is that Strong was going to TN but he had to have Hurtt. TN said no way, that was why he turned it down. Is there any truth to this?

    I have heard that from several different sources. The hypocracy of Yule of Elers is a joke. The reaction to this and the fact that Petrino is a piece of crap for having a girlfriend, but condoning Little Richard is a joke. Heard where Strong's contract details are out now. I find it funny that the great extorionist(Jurich) got extorted.peace

    stonewall011

  • WL i too have heard that from more than one person,and they are in a position to know..Hell, Strong is probably dirty too..

    wildcatdon

  • BIRDSEAT said...

    Wait, the SEC turned down a coach because of his possibly shady past? That is no where near the company line. Even you have to say "Naw, I know better" on that one.

    It is not that UT turned down a coach with a shady past but one they did some research on and knew the NCAA would come calling. No program wants any added interest from NCAA investigators.

    koaltil123

  • Somebody should email Pete Thamel. I know the guy is an ass but put him on someone else for a change. Email and show him how Louisville benefitted and became Sugar Bowl Champs due in part to Miami kids who came directly with Hurtt from his days w/Shapiro at Miami. Its so clear what happened.

    tWhit

  • Just trying to get caught up.... Someone explain to me again why anyone on a UK message board gives .02 cents of an ioda why or what is going on with Hurtt?

    If I recall, 3 different SEC schools have offered Hurtt a job since he's been at UofL and he has turned them all down. So, apparently, these SEC schools aren't too concerned about the "skeletons". Also, hasn't the NCAA already looked into Bridgewater and Eli Rogers and cleared them? Hasn't the NCAA already said that Bridgewater's eligibility at UofL is not in question and in no way is UofL any part of any investigation?

    I guess I just don't understand why on "Catspause" people are worried about what a UofL assistant coach did or didn't do 5 years ago at Miami?

    buddhaj1

  • buddhaj1 said...

    Just trying to get caught up.... Someone explain to me again why anyone on a UK message board gives .02 cents of an ioda why or what is going on with Hurtt?

    If I recall, 3 different SEC schools have offered Hurtt a job since he's been at UofL and he has turned them all down. So, apparently, these SEC schools aren't too concerned about the "skeletons". Also, hasn't the NCAA already looked into Bridgewater and Eli Rogers and cleared them? Hasn't the NCAA already said that Bridgewater's eligibility at UofL is not in question and in no way is UofL any part of any investigation?

    I guess I just don't understand why on "Catspause" people are worried about what a UofL assistant coach did or didn't do 5 years ago at Miami?

    You don't think the relationship with Hurtt and Bridgewater is a little suspect? Everybody knows Hurtt was dirty at Miami. He was recruiting TB at Miami. I guess TB was the only player that Hurtt didn't cheat with.

    bigbluerules ●

  • kyleb740 said...

    Well he can stay on the coaching staff, however his restrictions would probably be that he can't have any contact with recruits on/off campus, on the phone, or at all. He would become a de facto DL coach of which he isn't all that great at. His value is in his recruiting and if he can't do that for 3 or 4 years I don't see the point of keeping him on. That and by keeping him I would imagine that it will bring only more eyes to anything he does, but..... the NCAA doesn't have the volume of investigators to inspect every school and every case. In most circumstances the media or some other party has to do the leg work for the NCAA to get involved (Miami, UNC, Ohio St, USC, etc...). More and more local papers/media can't afford the cost of investigative work and would rather run topics/articles that more over just get people arguing with each other and talking.

    You're exactly right. He won't get out of this unscathed.

    ukblueforever ●

  • buddhaj1 said...

    Just trying to get caught up.... Someone explain to me again why anyone on a UK message board gives .02 cents of an ioda why or what is going on with Hurtt?

    If I recall, 3 different SEC schools have offered Hurtt a job since he's been at UofL and he has turned them all down. So, apparently, these SEC schools aren't too concerned about the "skeletons". Also, hasn't the NCAA already looked into Bridgewater and Eli Rogers and cleared them? Hasn't the NCAA already said that Bridgewater's eligibility at UofL is not in question and in no way is UofL any part of any investigation?

    I guess I just don't understand why on "Catspause" people are worried about what a UofL assistant coach did or didn't do 5 years ago at Miami?

    Because we are competing with them for recruits and they are on our schedule. I'd say its pretty important what happens to their recruiting coordinator and potentially some of their absolute best players who came to UofL from Miami with said recruiting coordinator. Not sure what to tell ya if you don't see the relevance. Maybe you need to read more and post less if you cant put 2 and 2 together.

    tWhit

  • kyleb740 said...

    It's not as easy as it seems to be. The local sports papers have gone away from impartial reporting to supporting the schools without regard. Why? Cause the script has flipped. Schools used to have to give support to papers and media credentials no matter what if they were to get exposure. Now you have the internet. Schools can bunker themselves by giving news to only those who support their cause because unless you have a large power bearing down on you (NY Times, Yahoo, etc) you can just push them out. Jurich has been a pro at this (I am not saying that he is hiding anything at all); he knows he can control the local sports media because they have no power. If they say anything against him he can blacklist them. He has done this numerous times. And when you have the old guard of the sports industry moving into other media (Bozich to WKRD, Forde to ESPN, and the like) you have these kids who are going to protect their career rather than rock the boat. Even though everyone here hates Tipton that is why I respect him to some regard even though he has a bias in the opposite direction; at least he doesn't give into people attempting to try to sway his coverage (even if I don't agree with it). And also credit UK/Barnhart/etc for not attempting to just throw him by the wayside even though they could probably get away with it considering the slow death of the newspaper.

    Well if you expect the "other" media in Louisville (suppose you're referring to Mssrs. Bozich & Crawford), to out or diss UL in any way whatsoever, I can get you a double-date w/Manti-Bozich is an IU grad and former beat writer-as Crawford was UL's beat guy before becoming a so-called columnist-both are UL house shills and always ready to jump on UK w/both red feet...

    NACat5463578

  • The ncaa can do whatever they want. They cleared Derek rose to play then later said he was ineligible. They make the rules up as they go.

    cbaker6075 ●

  • NACat5463578 said...

    Well if you expect the "other" media in Louisville (suppose you're referring to Mssrs. Bozich & Crawford), to out or diss UL in any way whatsoever, I can get you a double-date w/Manti-Bozich is an IU grad and former beat writer-as Crawford was UL's beat guy before becoming a so-called columnist-both are UL house shills and always ready to jump on UK w/both red feet...

    The point was that no one is going to look into UL (again not saying there is anything to look into) either because they don't have the funds or aren't willing to risk being blacklisted by one of the local sports teams as it would effectively end their career if they find nothing. This is more an insight into the media as a whole and not just this situation.

    It doesn't really matter; the NCAA messed up the investigation and nothing will come out it seems for even longer. I also don't know why people are trying to throw these kids under the bus. They are kids leave them be and let them be kids, play sports, and go to school. The coaches are the ones who know the rules and in Hurtt's case choose to break them. If UL wants to hold on him it is their prerogative, but they open themselves up to ridicule and questioning knowing his history.

    kyleb740

  • kyleb740 said...

    The point was that no one is going to look into UL (again not saying there is anything to look into) either because they don't have the funds or aren't willing to risk being blacklisted by one of the local sports teams as it would effectively end their career if they find nothing. This is more an insight into the media as a whole and not just this situation.

    It doesn't really matter; the NCAA messed up the investigation and nothing will come out it seems for even longer. I also don't know why people are trying to throw these kids under the bus. They are kids leave them be and let them be kids, play sports, and go to school. The coaches are the ones who know the rules and in Hurtt's case choose to break them. If UL wants to hold on him it is their prerogative, but they open themselves up to ridicule and questioning knowing his history.

    Your point RE a messed up investigation is well-taken-according to a local report this eve the NCAA is "investigating its investigation"-something @ some info being illegally obtained (or some such muck)-it'll be another several months before a bill of particulars is presented-if ever-Jurich still in full stonewall mode-

    NACat5463578

  • tWhit said...

    Because we are competing with them for recruits and they are on our schedule. I'd say its pretty important what happens to their recruiting coordinator and potentially some of their absolute best players who came to UofL from Miami with said recruiting coordinator. Not sure what to tell ya if you don't see the relevance. Maybe you need to read more and post less if you cant put 2 and 2 together.

    tWhit, the NCAA has already interviewed Bridgewater, Rogers and the other Miami kids in question and they were all cleared. This has nothing to do with UofL and everything to do with events that took place at Miami. UofL is not going to do anything to Hurtt until the NCAA findings are released. By the way, Hurtt might be the recruiting coordinator but if you look at their staff, the majority of their coaches have strong connections to the state of Florida. UofL will continue to recruit Florida strong either with or without Hurtt on staff.

    FootballFan1st

  • I read somewhere that the UL kids that followed Hurtt were offered immunity. Rather messed up if they took money from a coach and followed that coach to UL and still get immunity. SMDH! SO, unless they discover that they lied to the NCAA they are most likely safe unfortunately.

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    cobbycobb ●

  • FootballFan1st said...

    tWhit, the NCAA has already interviewed Bridgewater, Rogers and the other Miami kids in question and they were all cleared. This has nothing to do with UofL and everything to do with events that took place at Miami. UofL is not going to do anything to Hurtt until the NCAA findings are released. By the way, Hurtt might be the recruiting coordinator but if you look at their staff, the majority of their coaches have strong connections to the state of Florida. UofL will continue to recruit Florida strong either with or without Hurtt on staff.

    I just find it interesting that they got 7 kids out of Miami that first year 5 of them pretty highly rated, only 2 last year and only have 1 committed this year. Something doesn't add up to me with that. It could be found that Bridgewater and others weren't 100% truthful for all I know. What happens to the recruiting coordinator and the story in general is still news on this board which is the point I was making. Do you disagree?

    tWhit

  • tWhit said...

    I just find it interesting that they got 7 kids out of Miami that first year 5 of them pretty highly rated, only 2 last year and only have 1 committed this year. Something doesn't add up to me with that. It could be found that Bridgewater and others weren't 100% truthful for all I know. What happens to the recruiting coordinator and the story in general is still news on this board which is the point I was making. Do you disagree?

    We can only bring in 15 this year.

    Johndromo1

  • So, just so I'm understanding, it is relevant to Kentucky fans because of the hope that maybe this will somehow effect UofL in a negative way? Sorry to disappoint, this has nothing to do with UofL and how any of their players ended up in Louisville. It has everything to do with Miami and the rogue culture they created around THEIR athletic programs.

    UofL isn't even allowed to speak with Clint Hurtt about it until the investigation is concluded, per instructions of the NCAA. The NCAA notified UofL 2 years ago they are not under any scrutiny, nor are any of their players.

    So, the only thing that could possibly come out of it is Hurtt has some type of penalty against HIM, not UofL. If that penalty is severe to the point that it will effect his ability to do his job in Louisville, then I'm sure he will be shown the door. If it's a soft enough penalty, then UofL will keep him. I still don't understand why people are grasping at straws regarding Bridgewater. He seems like a good kid, and great QB. If Miami tried to illegally recruit him and he didn't go to Miami, then he's in no trouble.

    Let's say, for a moment, that Bridgewater is found out to be "dirty"...accepted money from an agent, runner, whatever...Let's also pretend the NCAA would make UofL retroactively vacate wins due to Bridgewater being ineligible. Does that mean UofL should get rid of the entire coaching staff? After all, if someone has to vacate wins, even if they are "not directly implicated or named" in the wrong doings...that/those coaches shouldn't be allowed to coach somewhere else, right? Anyone think that's a bit hypocritical? or is it just me?

    buddhaj1

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