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Top Coaches... We Should Seriously Consider

  • Joker fan or not... we have to assume the worst. Lets say we finish this season with 3 or 4 wins... and fail to make a bowl. I will also, assume that Joker gets another year to turn it around. In the meantime, we should prepare for the worst case scenario... Joker fails to do enough to maintain his job. Now, we must find a worthy replacement... one who will ignite excitement in the fan base and create a buzz in our football program that will ring in ears all over the country. Who could we possibly look to in 2013 who is capable of doing exactly that? I have a short list of Coaches who I would be excited about... for various, but different reasons.

    1st - Pete Carroll
    He should be about done in Seattle about that same time... and anxious to return to College Football. It's what he loves the most. Prior to his final season with USC, we can't ignore what he accomplished as Head Coach of the Trojans. Not to mention, his ties to the NFL... that's a great selling point to potential recruits.

    2nd - Urban Meyer
    He should be anxious to return to Coaching by then as well. Two or three years is the normal time it takes before a great Coach gets the itch to coach again... especially, when they know they left the game too early. I think he prefers the challenge of building a program verses taking over one that's already of the elite status... like LSU for example. This way, he puts "HIS OWN" stamp on the program... that is much more rewarding to a great coach.

    3rd - Bobby Petrino
    The obvious reason is, so that I can buy a T-Shirt that reads... GOT PETRINO? biggrin
    More importantly though is... the man is an Offensive Genius! Lord knows, that is where we are lacking the most. He's a great play caller as well... and has a knack for racking up yardage. It's not uncommon for his Offenses to put up 500 or 600 yards... ground and air combined (along with 40 or 50 pts). HOW GREAT WOULD THAT BE?!!! Another guilty pleasure, would be the joy of listening to the Card fans cry about it. The KARMA would be so sweet to witness.

    The last thing to realize is, we would have to show the world how serious we are about building a powerhouse football program... and offer our new Coach the highest paying HC salary in the nation. We need to go all out... PERIOD!

    This post was edited by JawJacker on 9/19/2011 at 1:30 AM

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  • Here's my crazy Idea....Jeff Fischer. He could actually recruit the south, especially in Tennessee.
    He's got lots of NFL credibility, which is what the kids are looking for anyway. This would be a real coup if he could somehow get Norm Chow to be OC.

    They're always after me Lucky Charms.

    McGeee

  • Laugh out freakin Loud.

    tWhit

  • First off none of those are coming to UK. There isn't one single pitch you could sell those guys on to make them wanna come to UK. But to play the game I would say Gus Malzahn. You wanna talk offensive genious he is it. IMO the only way UK succeeds on a consistent basis is by spreading things out and utilizing matchups. We can't recruit top level athletes but we can get an athlete lined up on a LB and that creates problems. That is the only way we beat the elite. We can't do it by putting a hat on a hat and expecting perfect execution.

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    Warmother51

  • I will approach this with hypothetical answers as Joker is not going anywhere.

    We are not going to get a big name coach and if we did than:
    Pete Carroll - No, Recruiting infractions under his watch
    Urban Meyer - No, he could go any where, so it will not be UK
    Bobby Petrino - No and NO
    Mike Leach - No, would be another Billy G.

    Top Coordinators that might consider us:
    Gus Malzahn - No, he has do nothing of note without Cam Newton.
    John Chavis - I would like this hire if he brought in Neal Brown as OC and kelpt Tee.
    Manny Diaz - Again if he got a hot OC, I love how he recruits and the Ds that his team plays.

    Be careful what you wish for because IF a coaching search where to happen that you might be looking at these possible candidates: Phillip Fulmer or Rich Rodriguez. I would not want either of those two.

    Big Creek Cat

  • This is not just premature but ridiculous. There is no way in hades that Mitch is going to fire Joker after only two years. Some coordinators and position coaches may go but Joker is here. Deal with it! I'm not meaning to sound like an @ss but it's reality folks.

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    cobbycobb

  • Exactly.

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    Warmother51

  • cobbycobb said...

    This is not just premature but ridiculous. There is no way in hades that Mitch is going to fire Joker after only two years. Some coordinators and position coaches may go but Joker is here. Deal with it! I'm not meaning to sound like an @ss but it's reality folks.

    I agree totally, that is why I said "hypothetical answers". I agree that Randy will likely take a fall if push comes to shove, so some OC's that I would like UK to consider:

    Jason Phillips - Houston
    Warren Ruggiero - Bowling Green
    Neal Brown – Texas Tech

    When stache moves on after this year, I want Taver Johnson for his replacement. That would most definitely increase our recruiting presence in Ohio.

    Big Creek Cat

  • For what it is worth, which is probably nothing whatsoever, I think UK needs to get a coach who knows SEC Football from real experience, and for me at a minimum that means

    1. played football for a SEC Winning program that won while he was playing, and
    2 coached football at a high staff position [either a head coach or one of the primary coordinators] for a SEC Winning program that won while he was coaching there.

    Then, the UKAA and UK AD need to step aside, get out of the way, and let this guy build a SEC Caliber program without all of the impediments that the UKAA and AD at UK have put up to stymie football at UK for all these decades.

    I do not get any warm and fuzzy feelings about any coach from the midwest, southwest, north east, ACC, or west who has never experienced SEC Football as a player and coach. I cite John Ray. He was a well respected Defensive Coordinator at Notre Dame when Notre Dame meant something in this game. He came to Lexington with his chest all puffed up proclaiming his plan to teach the south how to really play defense and football.

    He may have been excellent at what he had done, but he got his butt handed to him nearly every week that he survived as UK's coach.

    Just my $0.02 worth.

    BTW, I like Joker; I respect his love for all things about UK football; I had hoped that he would be able to use his personal connection to the program to build some synergy and get more mileage for the program than the parts could produce in their own right. However, it is now clear to me that Joker won't get this job done to take the program up a notch or two on the SEC ladder, and he may well oversee the slippage back down to the bottom of the heap. I am saddened by that conclusion, but I think his time is over, and now it is simply a question of when his tenure will end. Now? At the end of 2011? After one more miserable season? After 9 years of this like we had with Curry?

    Mitch Barnhart did not hesitate to pull the trigger on Gillispie real quick, and he must act as decisively with respect to the football situation.

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    TheProfessor

  • Kirby Smart. Knows the SEC, played at UGA, Saban disciple...

    PHCD

  • It is not impossible that Barnhart would fire Joker after the season. As it stands right now Joker is highly unpopular with the fanbase, and going into 2012 Barnhart has a home schedule to sell without Louisville, Florida, and Tennessee. A serious decline in season ticket sales (and the linked K fund donations) would hurt Mitch badly - that is a lot less money for the Soccer coach, or for volleyball travel, or for gymnastic equipment. A floundering UK football program cannot fund all those nonrevenue/olympic/women's teams that Mitch is so very fond of. But even if Barnhart decides to make a change the problem we face is not having an intelligent football mind to guide him, like Pratt did his most recent basketball hire.

    JHB4UK

  • PHCD said...

    Kirby Smart. Knows the SEC, played at UGA, Saban disciple...

    Smart may very likely find himself coaching UGA after this year.

    We are in a tough spot here I think. UK wants someone with experience who is a proven winner, but the problem is that no one is going to leave a top school to come to Kentucky, and it doesn't matter how much money we offer. Since we want someone with experience we can't do the coordinator experiment again. It is just too risky, unless this is one of the hottest names in the coordinator ranks that would really fire up the fanbase. Someone like a Malzahn or a Smart would have UK fans pretty excited even if they aren't experienced. Still, Notre Dame was very excited about Charlie Weiss and we see how that worked out. As far as experienced guys go, I think we'd have to look at someone like a Carroll or a Meyer. These are two huge names that would be looking for jobs because one might be coming out of retirement and the other coming out of the NFL. I don't see Carroll ever coming to UK. Just seems like we're a bit too country for his Southern Cal style. Meyer... If he got stressed at Florida then he will have a problem at UK. We could also try to get someone from a smaller school, but the problem here is that these guys have no SEC connection and are pretty risky themselves. Lots of coaches have left nice situations at smaller schools only to come up completely empty at the big time schools. Rich Rod and Dan Hawkins are two that immediately come to mind in this situation. Hard to really say who to get, but if UK does decide to make a change then they need to make sure they hire someone that will bring cohesion to the program that everyone can get behind.

    Comebakatz

  • Malzahn does not excite me at all and I dont know where people come up
    with touting this guy..He coached Newton for one year and everyone thinks
    he is some kind of offensive genius...Forget him..

    Now if you are serious about doing this,then the first call you make is to Urban
    Meyer. He is the big name everyone wants..And he is not tied to a job. Great
    coaches sometimes see downtrodden programs as a challenge and they believe
    enough in their abilities to recruit and coach at that program. We have a lot to offer
    and we would be foolish not to make the call. The worst he could say is no. Where
    was he before he went to Fla? BGU and Utah...Not necessarily two huge football
    powers..

    So you people who want the big name guys cant have it both ways..Meyer is available
    if his health allows and he really wants to get back in it,and the call must be made. I myself
    am not going to any more games this season and I know many other season ticket holders
    that arent either..If we end up 3-9 or 2-10 a change could happen this year. Dont kid yourself.
    Empty seats tell a heck of a story.

    wildcatdon

  • wildcatdon said...

    Malzahn does not excite me at all and I dont know where people come up with touting this guy..He coached Newton for one year and everyone thinks he is some kind of offensive genius...Forget him..

    Now if you are serious about doing this,then the first call you make is to Urban Meyer. He is the big name everyone wants..And he is not tied to a job. Great coaches sometimes see downtrodden programs as a challenge and they believe enough in their abilities to recruit and coach at that program. We have a lot to offer and we would be foolish not to make the call. The worst he could say is no. Where was he before he went to Fla? BGU and Utah...Not necessarily two huge football powers..

    So you people who want the big name guys cant have it both ways..Meyer is available if his health allows and he really wants to get back in it,and the call must be made. I myself am not going to any more games this season and I know many other season ticket holders that arent either..If we end up 3-9 or 2-10 a change could happen this year. Dont kid yourself. Empty seats tell a heck of a story.

    ^^^THIS^^^ Cobby and Warmother, I appreciate your opinions... but in my op, I said
    "assuming the worst" for Joker AND I gave him until 2013. I simply suggested that we give these top coaches some serious consideration. For you to say they would NEVER come to UK is just hard to believe. Like I said, MONEY TALKS ... and we would have to offer a salary and contract too sweet to pass up. Pete Carroll and Urban Meyer (in either order), are definitely the first calls.

    This is my wet dream.... let me have it. biggrin

    This post was edited by JawJacker on 9/19/2011 at 11:51 AM

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  • I want Mike Leach if Joker does eventually get the sack, we need to stop this pro style offense rubbish and get ourselves something that puts points on the board!

    QueenLizzysWildcat

  • 1)First off Joker is not going anywhere. PERIOD.
    2) If you think Urban or Carrol would even give a thought of coaching here then you need to stop drinking. UK would have to put money on the table..
    3)Realistically UK could be looking for a new OC this year. I'm over this offense we run. We just don't have the studs to line up and be predictable. IMO we have to go get an OC that runs some version of the spread. Personally I don't care if Tee was promoted as long as he would run something different.

    Oh ya on a different note..can we get rid of Steve Brown. I learned enough about him during spring practice after watching him getting cussed out by a player.

    bigbluerules

  • Big Creek Cat said...

    I agree totally, that is why I said "hypothetical answers". I agree that Randy will likely take a fall if push comes to shove, so some OC's that I would like UK to consider:

    Jason Phillips - Houston Warren Ruggiero - Bowling Green Neal Brown – Texas Tech

    When moves on after this year, I want Taver Johnson for his replacement. That would most definitely increase our recruiting presence in Ohio.

    I would like to get Neal Brown back here, but not sure he is ready for the head job yet. But man, Texas Tech is averaging 54.5 point and 550+ yards per game through the first two games. Might trade Randy Sanders for Neal Brown. However, Brown makes $350k at Tech so we would have to pay him.

    usa1000

  • UK will not get a big name coach. While I'm not saying they will be successful in the future, but Dooley and Franklin are recruiting their assess off at Vandy and UT. OC at Maryland and HC at La Tech are not exactly high profile gigs.

    bigbluemist

  • Not that UK is looking for a HC, but whenever they're in the market, Mitch would have to pursue a coordinator from a BCS school or a HC at a FCS school. JMO.

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    alphacat93

  • I've got $5.1 million reasons why Joker Phillips will be UK's head coach in 2012. Because that is what it would cost to fire him after this season. So stop daydreaming about this guy or that guy being hired, you might as well spend your time thinking about the Katie Upton date you have tonight...the former is more likely to happen than the latter.

    JHB4UK

  • JHB4UK said...

    I've got $5.1 million reasons why Joker Phillips will be UK's head coach in 2012. Because that is what it would cost to fire him after this season. So stop daydreaming about this guy or that guy being hired, you might as well spend your time thinking about the Katie Upton date you have tonight...the former is more likely to happen than the latter.

    Giving Joker a five year contract was just another blunder by Todd and Barnhart. Hell, the man would have signed the line for much less money at a much shorter term; IMO, three years should be the max we offer anyone and then stipulate the possibility of extensions and salary increases based on performance.

    You would think those guys would have learned from the BCG mistake.

    rob65

  • usa1000 said...

    I would like to get Neal Brown back here, but not sure he is ready for the head job yet. But man, Texas Tech is averaging 54.5 point and 550+ yards per game through the first two games. Might trade Randy Sanders for Neal Brown. However, Brown makes $350k at Tech so we would have to pay him.

    Did not say I wanted Neal as HC, but that if Randy takes the fall, I want him as OC.

    Big Creek Cat

  • UKAA needs to put up the money to get the right guy here. Here's my top choices:

    1. Brent Pease Boise State OC

    2. Gary Patterson TCU HC

    3. Mike Leach

    4. Bronco Mendenhall BYU HC

    bbn15

  • Warmother51 said...

    First off none of those are coming to UK. There isn't one single pitch you could sell those guys on to make them wanna come to UK. But to play the game I would say Gus Malzahn. You wanna talk offensive genious he is it. IMO the only way UK succeeds on a consistent basis is by spreading things out and utilizing matchups. We can't recruit top level athletes but we can get an athlete lined up on a LB and that creates problems. That is the only way we beat the elite. We can't do it by putting a hat on a hat and expecting perfect execution.

    You can bet some rep from Ole Miss has already contacted Jimmy Sexton about Malzahn.

    How ironic if GM would somehow find himself behind Houston Nutt's old desk?

    olblue

  • bbn15 said...

    UKAA needs to put up the money to get the right guy here. Here's my top choices:

    1. Brent Pease Boise State OC

    2. Gary Patterson TCU HC

    3. Mike Leach

    4. Bronco Mendenhall BYU HC

    Not Mike Leach. He's a head case.

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