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Jeff Drummond said...
It almost always goes through cycles where even the best of the best can't sustain it. I won't say Cal will have a "crap" year -- he works too hard for that and has too much to offer now at UK -- but I do expect it to level off eventually. We've seen K and Roy W get on similar rolls in the past, and it became saturated. The one difference, however, is those guys didn't have a steady parade of one-and-dones. If more of these guys were sticking around, it would be harder for Cal to convince the elite kids to come.
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srterp said...
No doubt they are both great players, and I would be happy to have them on my team. I'm just saying that both schools can support the twins with the talent necessary to compete for a national championship, and unless UK can pull one of the two big fish (Randle or Parker) than the supporting cast at each school should be pretty equal in terms of talent.
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srterp said...
No doubt they are both great players, and I would be happy to have them on my team. I'm just saying that both schools can support the twins with the talent necessary to compete for a national championship, and unless UK can pull one of the two big fish (Randle or Parker) than the supporting cast at each school should be pretty equal in terms of talent.
I'm happy to have a level-headed discussion with the posters here about the relative strengths of each schools potential supporting casts, and there seem to be enough civil posters here for that happen.
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Jeff Drummond said...
Someone asked earlier why we were letting Maryland fans come over and give us grief. I don't mind it at all. That's what sports message boards are supposed to be about. Personally, I've never been interested in going to a message board where everyone sat around and thought the same way. Like you, I think this has been pretty fun, and certainly an interesting discussion. As long as everyone's following the rules, it's all good.
Keep Calm & Stoops On..
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tWhit said...
Yeah I'm not so sure about that either. First of all nobody gets the one and done top talents to produce like Cal does which IMO can't even be argued. Secondly with our championship this year it creates a certain mindset around the program and for kids coming into the program. A certain confidence that it can be done. A team full of frosh and Sophs can win a national championship especially if a nice upperclassmen leader is already in place. Thirdly we've seen how hard winning a championship can be even for the greatest programs and the most extreme talent possible. These are all things you can bet the Harrisons are taking notes on. Lastly even if we don't get Randle or Parker which its looking like we'll miss on both at this point(obviously things can change-lol-perfect little sidenote for the gist of this thread) I'm still totally amiss at how you think the two rosters would be pretty equal given we both have the Harrisons. I'm calling BS on that. I'm gonna need solid facts on the rest of your roster in which I can't name one player to make a definitive dx on that.
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srterp said...
Sure, I'd love to breakdown the two rosters. There's always the possibility of roster turnover, and especially with you guys some assumptions will have to be made. I'm going to assume Noel/Poythress/Goodwin are all gone to the league, and that Cauley, Wiltjer, and Harrow stick around. I'm sure Harrow has improved tremendously since he's been at UK, but he was absolutely terrible at NC State. As for other recruits in the '13 class, I think we can agree that UK is a strong favorite for James Young and Chris Walker, but probably wont pull off Parker or Randle. This would give us a core of
1 Andrew Harrison 2 Aaron Harrison 3 James Young 4 Kyle Wiltjer 5 Willie Cauley Key Bench: Ryan Harrow, Chris Walker
This team is clearly awesome. It's loaded with talent and is a pre-season T5 team pretty much any season. If you were going to put it up against next year's group of contenders, I'd probably put it pre-season #1. But of course, you guys already know all that, so allow me to introduce you to the +Harrison Terps:
1 Andrew Harrison 2 Aaron Harrison 3 Nick Faust 4 Alex Len 5 Shaq Cleare Key Bench: Pe'shon Howard, Jake Layman,
Here's a breakdown of the players who, unless you're college basketball diehards (like I am), you probably aren't familiar with.
Nick Faust: Nick was a T40 recruit for espn, scout, and rivals, and put together a solid freshmen season. He was forced to play out of position, and at the beginning of the year he shot poorly, but he really stepped things up in conference play and made the ACC All-Freshmen first team. He'll be the leader of the team next year, and by the time he's a junior he should be one of the top players in the ACC.
Alex Len: Len is a 7'1 pf/center from Ukraine. He had was frequently pushed around in the paint this past season because of his slight frame and his difficulty adjusting to the American game. But he showed flashes of brilliance and his potential as a mobile 7 footer is through the roof. A bunch of draft sites have him as a lottery pick this season, but I think he's going to need another year to develop.
Shaq Cleare: Most recruiting sites have Shaq just outside the T30, and nearly all of them have him ahead of Cauley. The twins and Shaq were AAU teammates on the Houston Defenders, and together they were able to beat BABC to win the AAU 'ship last summer. Shaq is a little undersized, but he's a great rebounder, has a soft touch, and is incredibly strong. After a year of conditioning he's going to be one of the toughest bigs in the ACC. Also, Aaron Sr. has described Shaq as "like a brother to the twins."
Jake Layman: Recruiting sites have him in the 50's or 60's but that's hugely underrating him. He was a late surprise to a lot of people because he played (and completely dominated) weak competition in Massachusettes. He was the sixth man on that aforementioned great BABC team, and he's been the most productive player on the USA U18 team. After he puts some meat on his bones, he'll be a major contributor. Think Mike Dunleavy Jr.
This team is full of talented players who perfectly compliment the Twins' game. Whether they choose Kentucky or Maryland, they'll be able to compete immediately at the highest level.
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trueUKgamer said...
Why didn't Barnes come out then? Jones? Sullinger? They didn't come out, period. If they went to UK they would have been bigger and the option to come back wouldn't have been that appealling. And i would like to have a civil conversation, then is no need to provoke me with comments like the end of that post. Point being, that if Barnes, Jones, Leslie, or Melo come here, they are instant can't miss lotto pick where as idk now. And Macterp, why not? We will always have playing time, a great coach till Cal leaves, rabid fan base, great support from the university. I think this continues till Cal leaves, yes leaves, not retires, 3-4 years max, but we can get another title or 2 before he does leave you know? HAHA.
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tommy said...
How about some recent history?
Since 2006 the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles have been to 4 bowl games.
Since 2006 UK has been to 5 bowl games.....
Its really simple... UK > Maryland.
UK is something like 5 points from winning the Capital One Cup. In case you don't know that's the award given to the top athletic program in college sports. Where your turtles?
Come on out and get your whoopin!
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