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  • I feel like both sides are being a little ridiculous here, you're going to agree to disagree here on this point, but I mean seriously be civil, many of the answers are kind of crazy... Some people don't legitimately know things people, it's not unheard of. As to Kentucky's roster it's looking like this:
    PG: Ryan Harrow
    SG: Archie Goodwin
    F: Alex Poythress
    F: Kyle Wiltjer
    C: Nerlens Noel

    Bench: Julius Mays, Willie Cauley-Stein, Jon Hood, Twany Beckham.

    It seems to be pretty sealed about now.

    UKDUDE2

  • UKDUDE2 said...

    I feel like both sides are being a little ridiculous here, you're going to agree to disagree here on this point, but I mean seriously be civil, many of the answers are kind of crazy... Some people don't legitimately know things people, it's not unheard of. As to Kentucky's roster it's looking like this: PG: Ryan Harrow SG: Archie Goodwin F: Alex Poythress F: Kyle Wiltjer C: Nerlens Noel

    Bench: Julius Mays, Willie Cauley-Stein, Jon Hood, Twany Beckham.

    It seems to be pretty sealed about now.

    In reference to what?

    tWhit

  • macterp said...

    You did. My response was more directed at the general fanbase. I'm fine with what the staff guys are saying here. And not to hijack the thread on your board - and it depends on where you stop tier II in college hoops - but Maryland absolutely belongs with Ohio State and Louisville where ever you slot those programs. If that's tier III below Michigan State, UConn, Syracuse, Arizona, so be it. Anyway, looking forward to Brooklyn in November.

    traditionally I can agree with Maryland being the tier II but in more modern history I wouldn't put them there.

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  • Jeff Drummond said...

    Someone asked earlier why we were letting Maryland fans come over and give us grief. I don't mind it at all. That's what sports message boards are supposed to be about. Personally, I've never been interested in going to a message board where everyone sat around and thought the same way. Like you, I think this has been pretty fun, and certainly an interesting discussion. As long as everyone's following the rules, it's all good.

    this^

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  • I may enjoy reading what the prognosticators say, but I have no intention of personally investing myself in a pissing match over what a couple 17 year olds might do in a year or so. But, then again, pissing matches can be fun from time to time :D

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  • I think the Twins will make either team a legit Final Four contender. That said, UK is the slight favorite at this point according to the majority of the "experts" out there.

    rompcat, your signature about the Cats/Dog diary is funny. +1

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  • _Mike_ said...

    I'll respond civily. Don't ask a dumb question without expecting someone to respond sarcastically. It IS the internet, remember?

    I tried to be overly nice in my post. I am a guest on these boards after all. I didn't know how well that fans traveled. That why I asked the question in the first place. You seem to think that it is a forgone conclusion that I should of know how well your fans travel (and they really do).

    Now back to the topic of the thread; the twins. I read an ESPN article that said they are looking for a school that includes a "quality academic background" with a West Virginia like acceptance rate of 75%, a very low mean SAT score (1400), a very bad return rate from freshmen to sophomore year, and lack belonging to a prestigious higher institution group (Like the AAU). Throw in a VERY low graduation rate. It does not sound like a quality academic background to me. No offense to any Kentucky degree holders but your numbers are very similar to the likes of West Virginia and Boulder.

    Another thing they mention is wanting to be in a "Family atmosphere". A couple of searches turned up results that Calipari is able to do that. The man is a freak of a coach to be able to do that. Getting kids that don't get to spend alot of time together to get to be around each other to be able to gel like a family is very tough. Of course the article also mentions the need to have a "tradition of wining" In which you all arguably have the Best tradition of that in college basketball. Just some thoughts.

    jhmpro

  • UKDUDE2 said...

    I feel like both sides are being a little ridiculous here, you're going to agree to disagree here on this point, but I mean seriously be civil, many of the answers are kind of crazy... Some people don't legitimately know things people, it's not unheard of. As to Kentucky's roster it's looking like this: PG: Ryan Harrow SG: Archie Goodwin F: Alex Poythress F: Kyle Wiltjer C: Nerlens Noel

    Bench: Julius Mays, Willie Cauley-Stein, Jon Hood, Twany Beckham.

    It seems to be pretty sealed about now.

    I'm assuming this is in response to me? Thanks if it is. Also do you see your guards or your frontcourt stealing the spotlight next year?

    jhmpro

  • jhmpro said...

    I tried to be overly nice in my post. I am a guest on these boards after all. I didn't know how well that fans traveled. That why I asked the question in the first place. You seem to think that it is a forgone conclusion that I should of know how well your fans travel (and they really do).

    Now back to the topic of the thread; the twins. I read an ESPN article that said they are looking for a school that includes a "quality academic background" with a West Virginia like acceptance rate of 75%, a very low mean SAT score (1400), a very bad return rate from freshmen to sophomore year, and lack belonging to a prestigious higher institution group (Like the AAU). Throw in a VERY low graduation rate. It does not sound like a quality academic background to me. No offense to any Kentucky degree holders but your numbers are very similar to the likes of West Virginia and Boulder.

    Another thing they mention is wanting to be in a "Family atmosphere". A couple of searches turned up results that Calipari is able to do that. The man is a freak of a coach to be able to do that. Getting kids that don't get to spend alot of time together to get to be around each other to be able to gel like a family is very tough. Of course the article also mentions the need to have a "tradition of wining" In which you all arguably have the Best tradition of that in college basketball. Just some thoughts.

    I wonder if Alabama fans travel well to football game? LOL.

    tWhit

  • It seems like every high profile athlete mentions academics and in the end it rarely actually makes a difference. They say that because it sounds good.

    montana81

  • cobbycobb said...

    this^

    It didn't appear to be starting as a civil conversation, and I know how things can get out of control here. panic

    BlueGhost

  • jhmpro said...

    I tried to be overly nice in my post. I am a guest on these boards after all. I didn't know how well that fans traveled. That why I asked the question in the first place. You seem to think that it is a forgone conclusion that I should of know how well your fans travel (and they really do).

    Now back to the topic of the thread; the twins. I read an ESPN article that said they are looking for a school that includes a "quality academic background" with a West Virginia like acceptance rate of 75%, a very low mean SAT score (1400), a very bad return rate from freshmen to sophomore year, and lack belonging to a prestigious higher institution group (Like the AAU). Throw in a VERY low graduation rate. It does not sound like a quality academic background to me. No offense to any Kentucky degree holders but your numbers are very similar to the likes of West Virginia and Boulder.

    Another thing they mention is wanting to be in a "Family atmosphere". A couple of searches turned up results that Calipari is able to do that. The man is a freak of a coach to be able to do that. Getting kids that don't get to spend alot of time together to get to be around each other to be able to gel like a family is very tough. Of course the article also mentions the need to have a "tradition of wining" In which you all arguably have the Best tradition of that in college basketball. Just some thoughts.

    Excuse me for thinking you already knew the answer. As to the academic portion of your post, I honestly think UK's academics are fine. Maryland's might be a little better, but that's alright. Cal is an excellent coach, recruiter and molder of young minds. Is this a better response?

    Keep Calm & Stoops On..

    _Mike_

  • Did you guys (MD fans) ever consider that maybe the twins are only keeping MD in their final cut list simply as a courtesy because of the relationships there?

    Im not sayin that's it, but it is possible as many recruits have done the same.

    Like it or not turtles, UK and Cal are a perfect fit for the twins. The facts that UK is the "IT" school right now, National Champs, style of offense, the DDM (please don't attempt to see us on Turgeon's offense being on par with Cal's...its not...not close) sending FIFTEEN pros in the league in 3 years, not to mention the BBN are all things that MD simply cannot offer nor compete with.

    The twins will be Wildcats.

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  • jhmpro said...

    I'm assuming this is in response to me? Thanks if it is. Also do you see your guards or your frontcourt stealing the spotlight next year?

    Yeah it was, no problem. I see Harrow will probably be the most ready of the Calipari PG's yet, as he got to practice and watch UK play for an entire year, Goodwin is really good, but I'll really be watching out for Poythress, the kid is a stud and has been flying up the rankings, but the guards should be very good this year especially now with Julius Mays coming off the bench, Mays can make a lot of tough shots. So I guess overall it depends, if Noel has a Davis-like season, it'll be the frontcourt. But it's pretty well balanced out this year.

    UKDUDE2

  • tommy said...

    Did you guys (MD fans) ever consider that maybe the twins are only keeping MD in their final cut list simply as a courtesy because of the relationships there?

    Im not sayin that's it, but it is possible as many recruits have done the same.

    Like it or not turtles, UK and Cal are a perfect fit for the twins. The facts that UK is the "IT" school right now, National Champs, style of offense, the DDM (please don't attempt to see us on Turgeon's offense being on par with Cal's...its not...not close) sending FIFTEEN pros in the league in 3 years, not to mention the BBN are all things that MD simply cannot offer nor compete with.

    The twins will be Wildcats.

    Agree w/ most of this post.

    You just have to be willing to flip the coin. Kentucky could just as easily be kept on this list cause of the prestige it carries. Just like kids are told to hold off on decisions to get lesser teammates looks on the circuit. Lotta politics, lotta moving parts.

    In truth, I doubt Kentucky's just on their for prestige and I doubt MD's on there for relationships. The interest seems genuine on both counts with Nova and Baylor doing the window dressing.

    To your last paragraph, you keep saying things like that. It's been acknowledged time over. MD fans know the figures. They know what Kentucky has been under Cal. That's never been the argument. Those sells are a reality. What most MD fans are telling you is that the kids are neck deep in ability and swag and don't need Kentucky to get where they wanna go. Kentucky offers a kid, they'd be outright stupid not to consider it. My criticism is perception. That UK is the "it" school and churning out pros is linear deduction a google search will half fill before finished --- and while the end product may prove them right, it's what I believe the Daniels and nat'l types have been going on to date. The argument is less outcome and more the lazy deduction over who leads.

    indianajones4

  • indianajones4 said...

    Chris, this is probably a better place to ask this than on our board. What do you make of Kentucky's offer to James Young?

    I don't follow the nuances of Kentucky hoops recruiting (particulary under Cal's tenure) to know. Blue bloods tend to have to be a lot more careful about commitable offers because everyone is liable to jump. As opposed to other schools which will often float a few more out there to be safe.

    Per your post, Kentucky hasn't sniffed any other points but Aaron's part of a package deal so I was just wondering about Young. Of course, Bledsoe and Wall were 1/2 at guard spots and you can get creative with lineups so I'm not suggesting it's a deal breaker. Really, just looking for insight into the offer. Because the twins are different in that they're an automatic two players for any program to take on.

    #ThinkingOutLoud

    Not Chris, but he and I have talked recently about doubts that James Young has an official/commitable offer at this time. We should know more in the July evaluation period, but we're not 100% convinced that move has already occurred, per some of our sources.

    I do think they'd take him along with the Harrisons, though. He can play 2/3 with the Harrisons on the court at the same time.

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  • Jeff Drummond said...

    Not Chris, but he and I have talked recently about doubts that James Young has an official/commitable offer at this time. We should know more in the July evaluation period, but we're not 100% convinced that move has already occurred, per some of our sources.

    I do think they'd take him along with the Harrisons, though. He can play 2/3 with the Harrisons on the court at the same time.

    That would obviously make for another loaded backcourt (understatement).

    Thank you.

    indianajones4

  • indianajones4 said...

    Agree w/ most of this post.

    You just have to be willing to flip the coin. Kentucky could just as easily be kept on this list cause of the prestige it carries. Just like kids are told to hold off on decisions to get lesser teammates looks on the circuit. Lotta politics, lotta moving parts.

    In truth, I doubt Kentucky's just on their for prestige and I doubt MD's on there for relationships. The interest seems genuine on both counts with Nova and Baylor doing the window dressing.

    To your last paragraph, you keep saying things like that. It's been acknowledged time over. MD fans know the figures. They know what Kentucky has been under Cal. That's never been the argument. Those sells are a reality. What most MD fans are telling you is that the kids are neck deep in ability and swag and don't need Kentucky to get where they wanna go. Kentucky offers a kid, they'd be outright stupid not to consider it. My criticism is perception. That UK is the "it" school and churning out pros is linear deduction a google search will half fill before finished --- and while the end product may prove them right, it's what I believe the Daniels and nat'l types have been going on to date. The argument is less outcome and more the lazy deduction over who leads.

    I agree with you about them listing UK for prestige purposes, although i highly doubt it. And for the record, i do believe MD is very much in the thick of things. My original point in all of this was that many people our there who do this for a living believe that UK is in the head for the twins. The reason why i continue to list the positives for choosing UK is that some of he MD fans who have posted on this thread seem to dismiss why UK would be leading MD in their recruiting, or acting like MD has just as much to offer.

    Yes, both kids are ultra talented and will succed and go pro regardless of where the go without question. But right now no one and i mean NO ONE is preparing kids for the NBA like Cal. Evans, Rose, Wall, Knight, Teague...if your a top PG its really a no brainer. The top PGs have been choosing Cal and the dribble drive for how many consecutive years now? Aaron Harrison will be no different, with his brother right behind.

    I guess MD will have to wait until October to accept what everyone seems to already know.

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  • BlueGhost said...

    Okay. Who? Which names are you considering "enough talent on hand in College Park to compete for a Final 4 berth"?

    Dude - we won a natty without a McDonald's All-American on the roster. You should know. We ended your season that year. If you add two Top 10 guards to a team with a solid recruiting class already in place - other posters have already broken down the likely 2013-14 Maryland roster - you get a Final 4 contender.

    You don't need to recruit like Kentucky to make a deep tournament run. Kentucky could be 20x better than the Terps two years from now. What does that have to do with Maryland being a Final 4 contender with the Harrisons?

    macterp ●

  • macterp said...

    Dude - we won a natty without a McDonald's All-American on the roster. You should know. We ended your season that year. If you add two Top 10 guards to a team with a solid recruiting class already in place - other posters have already broken down the likely 2013-14 Maryland roster - you get a Final 4 contender.

    You don't need to recruit like Kentucky to make a deep tournament run. Kentucky could be 20x better than the Terps two years from now. What does that have to do with Maryland being a Final 4 contender with the Harrisons?

    *grumble, grumble*

    ;)

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  • macterp said...

    Dude - we won a natty without a McDonald's All-American on the roster. You should know. We ended your season that year. If you add two Top 10 guards to a team with a solid recruiting class already in place - other posters have already broken down the likely 2013-14 Maryland roster - you get a Final 4 contender.

    You don't need to recruit like Kentucky to make a deep tournament run. Kentucky could be 20x better than the Terps two years from now. What does that have to do with Maryland being a Final 4 contender with the Harrisons?

    You can have a deep roster, a good to great recruiting class and everything. It still doesn't mean you'll have a final 4 contender. Depends on your coach.

    Keep Calm & Stoops On..

    _Mike_

  • macterp said...

    Dude - we won a natty without a McDonald's All-American on the roster. You should know. We ended your season that year. If you add two Top 10 guards to a team with a solid recruiting class already in place - other posters have already broken down the likely 2013-14 Maryland roster - you get a Final 4 contender.

    You don't need to recruit like Kentucky to make a deep tournament run. Kentucky could be 20x better than the Terps two years from now. What does that have to do with Maryland being a Final 4 contender with the Harrisons?

    Just so you know...that 2002 Maryland team is the ONLY school in the last 33 years not win a NC without a single McDonald' AA.

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  • I'm not yet convinced Turgeon is that great of a coach. He's not horrible but Texas A&M never did much worth mention while he was there other than make the tournament. And they were a top 10 team the season before he took over.

    montana81

  • _Mike_ said...

    You can have a deep roster, a good to great recruiting class and everything. It still doesn't mean you'll have a final 4 contender. Depends on your coach.

    Some of the disparity here is coming from "Final 4 Contender". Define as you see fit, but I'd think if you're a top 4 seed line, it's not much of a Cinderella story to get out of your region. If none of the MD hypotheticals come close to meeting that criteria for you, then it's all good.

    As for Turge, the sample size @ MD is small and under an environment closer to a rebuild than inheriting talent. He's good with X's and O's. From Wichita State to A&M an obvious shortcoming was talent. There were nice pieces and some guys who developed nicely, but on the whole, I thought they were undermanned. With our w/o the twins, the talent should increase, if for no other reason than MD being an easier sell than A&M and a staff far more equipped to pull players than the guys in College Station. Only time will tell there.

    indianajones4

  • tommy said...

    Just so you know...that 2002 Maryland team is the ONLY school in the last 33 years not win a NC without a single McDonald' AA.

    Lol, yeah. I'm not sure that was the best piece of evidence.

    fwiw, that's worn as a badge of honor up in MD circles. And thought of as a testament to Gary's bench coaching and player development --- and equal disdain for the underworld of recruiting.

    indianajones4

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