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  • JDHLaw11 said...

    The question wasn't whether you would hire him, flatly. Would you hire him if it meant you had to pay him 33% more than the salary he was earning when he was terminated for cause while exposing his employer to numerous EEOC and sexual harrassment lawsuits?

    If your answer to that question is still yes, you need to rethink reason #9, because there's no way in hell that helps your job security.

    Hire BP for less money while demanding an iron-clad buyout and termination schedule in the contract after adequate assurances that he will keep his nose clean? Sure.

    Give him a raise, allowing him to dictate the terms of the contract? Get real.

    This is why you're a lawyer and I'm a businessman. You pick out 1 reason when I give you 10. You over analyze and micromanage. Fact is Arkansas nor Petrino were in legal trouble. You lawyers always go by the what ifs? Hell what if the moon collides with the earth tonight would this whole conversation matter?

    footballcat65

  • UK{°^°} said...

    I agree with you fbc65. I don't see the risk either. Jim Rome is right they need each other.

    Thanks.cheers

    footballcat65

  • Whitaker568 said...

    Do you really think other SEC schools care what UK does or offers? LOL other SEC program look at UK football like we look at Ole Miss BB. They will offer what they feel he's worth regardless of offers from other schools.

    I'm not convinced other SEC schools are looking at Petrino right now.

    Havent you heard BP has had an epiphany and is now a good and straight fellow and will never treat another employer like he has the ones in the past. Thats what a lot of people must think and want BP hired or they dont care whether he has changed or not just as long as he wins football games . Do you people want to have to go through this again in the next 1 to 3 years when this guy looks for greener pastures or lies to his employer(UK) like he has done at previous stops in his illustrious career.

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  • sleepydog said...

    Havent you heard BP has had an epiphany and is now a good and straight fellow and will never treat another employer like he has the ones in the past. Thats what a lot of people must think and want BP hired or they dont care whether he has changed or not just as long as he wins football games . Do you people want to have to go through this again in the next 1 to 3 years when this guy looks for greener pastures or lies to his employer(UK) like he has done at previous stops in his illustrious career.

    Name one college football team he has left in less than 4 years as head coach? Also have you ever heard of a buy out clause?

    footballcat65

  • Sorry Minter, but I ain't buyin' what you are selling in this thread.....no way, no how.

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  • footballcat65 said...

    This is why you're a lawyer and I'm a businessman. You pick out 1 reason when I give you 10. You over analyze and micromanage. Fact is Arkansas nor Petrino were in legal trouble. You lawyers always go by the what ifs? Hell what if the moon collides with the earth tonight would this whole conversation matter?

    So, as a businessman, you have absolutely no problem with a new employee who was recently terminated for cause from his prior employer for exposing them to significant legal liability and lying about it repeatedly to hide it from his superiors who has come to you and demanded a 33% raise from his prior pay scale.

    I hope you're keeping your GCL, E&O, and/or D&O insurance carriers informed of your hiring practices.

    Can you show me how you're aware there are no pending or settled claims by any parties against Arkansas or Petrino? Or did you just make that "fact" up?

    This post was edited by JDHLaw11 on 11/8/2012 at 5:13 PM

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  • JDHLaw11 said...

    So, as a businessman, you have absolutely no problem with a new employee who was recently terminated for cause from his prior employer for exposing them to significant legal liability and lying about it repeatedly to hide it from his superiors who has come to you and demanded a 33% raise from his prior pay scale.

    I hope you're keeping your GCL, E&O, and/or D&O insurance carriers informed of your hiring practices.

    Can you show me how you're aware there are no pending or settled claims by any parties against Arkansas or Petrino? Or did you just make that "fact" up?

    Easy answer. Show me where they are pending? There has been no and I repeat no legal action. Can you refute that. It seems you are getting bent out of shape because things are not going your way. This would make me shy away from hiring you.

    Oh and you always neglect the fact that said employee raised profits 59%?

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by footballcat65 on 11/8/2012 at 5:35 PM

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  • Let me add, this is not an attempt to "pile on" to Mitch. I think Petrino is the best candidate that UK could ever hire, but I'm not sure Mitch or UK should be backed into paying him the obscene ammount his representation is asking for.

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  • footballcat65 said...

    Easy answer. Show me where they are pending? There has been no and I repeat no legal action. Can you refute that. It seems you are getting bent out of shape because things are not going your way. This would make me shy away from hiring you.

    What do you mean by pending? As in instituted legal action in the form of a lawsuit? That's not the only way to resolve an issue. There are numerous ways to deal with potential claims or threatened litigation. Some of them even include confidentiality.

    You're the one that made the initial claim, specifically that it was a "fact" that neither Petrino or Arkansas were legal trouble. If that is a fact, feel free to show me an executed release by anyone involved in the hiring scandal or even by Ms. Dorrell that will prevent these claims from being made.

    You don't get to make up "facts" and then demand people provide proof to refute them without a single shred of proof that your "fact" is anything other than something you've conjured up in your imagination.

    I'm certainly not bent out of shape. Concerned, a little, that someone who self-identifies as a "businessman" would make the sort of decisions you would, but not bent out of shape. I seriously doubt that I ever have to worry about my future employment being in your hands.

    JDHLaw11

  • MinterWonderlnd said...

    Let me add, this is not an attempt to "pile on" to Mitch. I think Petrino is the best candidate that UK could ever hire, but I'm not sure Mitch or UK should be backed into paying him the obscene ammount his representation is asking for.

    This is my overarching point as well. I'm not sure (if this were true) how anyone could fault Barnhart for not meeting a clearly ridiculous demand.

    JDHLaw11

  • JDHLaw11 said...

    What do you mean by pending? As in instituted legal action in the form of a lawsuit? That's not the only way to resolve an issue. There are numerous ways to deal with potential claims or threatened litigation. Some of them even include confidentiality.

    You're the one that made the initial claim, specifically that it was a "fact" that neither Petrino or Arkansas were legal trouble. If that is a fact, feel free to show me an executed release by anyone involved in the hiring scandal or even by Ms. Dorrell that will prevent these claims from being made.

    You don't get to make up "facts" and then demand people provide proof to refute them without a single shred of proof that your "fact" is anything other than something you've conjured up in your imagination.

    I'm certainly not bent out of shape. Concerned, a little, that someone who self-identifies as a "businessman" would make the sort of decisions you would, but not bent out of shape. I seriously doubt that I ever have to worry about my future employment being in your hands.

    Here's your evidence. Miss Dorrell was paid her $32,000 dollars. It's public record. That's fact and public record! You can hide behind confidentiallity all you want but the fact is I was right and you are embarrassed! There is no legal action against Petrino nor Arakansas. If there was it would have been out by now and you know it! You are one sad legal mind my friend!

    footballcat65

  • JDHLaw11 said...

    So, as a businessman, you have absolutely no problem with a new employee who was recently terminated for cause from his prior employer for exposing them to significant legal liability and lying about it repeatedly to hide it from his superiors who has come to you and demanded a 33% raise from his prior pay scale.

    I hope you're keeping your GCL, E&O, and/or D&O insurance carriers informed of your hiring practices.

    Can you show me how you're aware there are no pending or settled claims by any parties against Arkansas or Petrino? Or did you just make that "fact" up?

    If it's the difference between the survival of your buisness, the difference between thriving, or going bankrupt, yes! That is where UK football is at this point.

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  • BlueRaider22 said...

    That sounds like Fulmer. He's the only one that I can think of off the top of my head that people have mentioned that actually fits the description.

    The only other one is Petrino, but I would classify him as having "major SEC ties."

    Nah..Fulmer WANTS to get back in the coaches seat....this sounds like Tuberville..hey..guy has won in SEC..hes winning right now in BiG 12..dont want him though..please MItch...pay Kirby Smart 2.5-3.5mill per year!!

    BigBlueDawg12

  • footballcat65 said...

    Here's your evidence. Miss Dorrell was paid her $32,000 dollars. It's public record. That's fact and public record! You can hide behind confidentiallity all you want but the fact is I was right and you are embarrassed! There is no legal action against Petrino nor Arakansas. If there was it would have been out by now and you know it! You are one sad legal mind my friend!

    You got the number wrong. It was 14,000 for her resignation. She's also bound by confidentiality and cannot discuss the resignation or her time at Arkansas.

    Yep, sounds like there was absolutely no legal issue to be dealt with whatsoever.

    I'm sure the applicants who were passed over for her hire have never ever considered the improper and illegal hiring practices that kept them from being considered for the position. Heck, we haven't heard anything about it, and that's proof nothing is or has happened, in the business world.

    The only thing embarrassing in this thread is the suggestion that you have been put in charge of someone's investment.

    JDHLaw11

  • Revolution#9 said...

    If it's the difference between the survival of your buisness, the difference between thriving, or going bankrupt, yes! That is where UK football is at this point.

    You literally think that BP is the one thing that can keep UK Athletics from going bankrupt.

    That may be the stupidest thing I've heard in this thread, and I've been dealing with footballcat for two pages now.

    Congratulations.

    JDHLaw11

  • JDHLaw11 said...

    You got the number wrong. It was 14,000 for her resignation. She's also bound by confidentiality and cannot discuss the resignation or her time at Arkansas.

    Yep, sounds like there was absolutely no legal issue to be dealt with whatsoever.

    I'm sure the applicants who were passed over for her hire have never ever considered the improper and illegal hiring practices that kept them from being considered for the position. Heck, we haven't heard anything about it, and that's proof nothing is or has happened, in the business world.

    The only thing embarrassing in this thread is the suggestion that you have been put in charge of someone's investment.

    JD the bantering back and forth between you and FBC65 is comical. You arguing that someone fired with cause, sets the employer up for legal issues is ridiculous. Anytime someone is hired or fired the"chance" that litigation may occur from such action is always a possibility. You, being a lawyer, know that. Whether you want BP or not there is always risk in a hire or fire situation. You can only lower the risk with a good lawyer and legal contract, which it seems you are. (you see what I did there)
    Truth be told there will be "legal" action from Joker's firing.

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