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UK has offered Butch Jones....

  • ukblueforever said...

    Do you actually think that anything that is said on these message boards will have any effect on who is hired? MB doesn't read the crap people spew on here. The only thing he looks at is those empty seats he sees at CS. He'll hire who he thinks will put people in the seats.

    My post is not a reference to message boards - we are being vocal through our actions. As you said, he only looks at seats...

    Bigblutruknutz

  • UK{°^°} said...

    I don't think you should tell people what their version of a "home run hire" is. My personal definition of a "HRH" would be a coach that could get the program to a bowl game in a season or two. Then continue to build the program to a competitor in the east. Although some make this seem impossible, it's not. My version of a HRH may not be yours but, it's also not wrong.

    The fanbase's coaching choices differ by their expectations and wants. You we all know don't want BP. I personally think he would move the program in the "right" direction, for immediate gratification. If the AD or Pres don't like the way the program is headed they could always fire/not renew the contract or if he left, UK would have better selection pool than now. Because BP would most likely make them a bowl contender in short order.

    So you see our definition of a HOME RUN HIRE differ significantly or do they? Probably just all about immediate choice of candidate and time frame for gratification expectations. That's my opinion.

    I havent told anyone what their definition of what a 'home run hire" is but simply related a generality of what many people have said about the home run hire and who they think that would be. You have your opinion on that definition and I respect that and to some degree I agree but not about BP and that will never change. I think we all have the right to express what we think and feel unless it is of a crude nature and of course people have different opinions of what is crude so I will leave that up to others.

    sleepydog

  • hoptownukfan said...

    Compared to the last 5 or six head coaches hired in the sec this would be the first "winning" coach from a bcs school. Chizick was the only other current bcs coached hired in sec and he was a big loser at Iowa state. The other sec hires were non bcs head coaches ( Dooley, ole miss new coach, etc...) or coordinators ( Franklin, Mullen, Florida hc etc...).

    That is a very odd stat.

    tWhit

  • Bigblutruknutz said...

    Absolutely not nuts. Butch Jones will not produce in the SEC- he's barely doing it in the Big East. And I'm not a proponent of Booby Petrino either. Just need better than Butch can offer...

    10-3 is barely producing in the Big East?

    tWhit

  • Well if he hired the person that would put folks in the seats then Petrino would have been named a long time ago.

    Jones, to me is a decent hire. . what if he says no? We might see Petrino because that is a sure fire way to give us national attention and create support for the program again.

    If Mitch goes much farther down his list you are looking at a major revenue loss for the forseeable future.

    But again, who knows. . certainly no poster on this site, maybe not even the admins. This is all being held close to the vest by the Athletic Department. Mitch may knock one out of the park. One thing we can all agree on is that the University understands how important this hire is.

    This post was edited by WLGenerals54048 on 11/18/2012 at 10:47 PM

    WLGenerals54048

  • tWhit said...

    10-3 is barely producing in the Big East?

    He is 10-8 in Big East play in his career...and that is a number I can't really swallow and feel good about no matter how you slice it.

    K__TIME

  • K__TIME said...

    He is 10-8 in Big East play in his career...and that is a number I can't really swallow and feel good about no matter how you slice it.

    He went 4-8 at Cincy his first yr. Most coaches in their first yr to a program have down yrs. He won 10 games in his 2nd yr and is on pace to win 9-10 in his third yr.

    He did the same thing at CMU. Had a down yr the first yr and then won double digits his next couple.

    BlueRaider22

  • nashwan said...

    This is exactly what I am speaking of with my prior post. When we think like this, we reap exactly what we sow. Amazing.

    So if we think it they will come? If I think Nick Saban he will come to Kentucky? Flat out Kentucky has nothing to offer a big name coach that does not have gigantic warts (Bobby P). We have very little in state recruiting (national top talent), facilities are far from top notch, I don't even want to get into fan support when on senior day after the guy that everyone wanted gone was fired there was less than 20K in the stadium.

    People saying a big coach ain't coming aren't hurting getting a top coach. They are just looking at the facts and being realistic. $7 million a year isn't going to produce a big head coach here because the infrastructure isn't there to guarantee winning from day one as it is with basketball.

    Basketball was way down but we had everything a big name guy would need to come in a dominate immediately. In my opinion, this is how you get this thing moving in the direction everyone wants. You win some first, get fans to the stadium consistently then build the facilities it takes so that your hires get bigger and bigger.

    shauner17

  • JawJacker said...

    I agree

    They say you have to crawl before you can walk.... but you also have to walk before you can run. Too many of us are expecting to go from crawling to running with this next hire.

    Let's just learn to walk again first...then, RUN LIKE HELL!

    Go Cats! cheers

    THIS!!!

    shauner17

  • tWhit said...

    That is a very odd stat.

    It's the truth! But yeah, it is revealing in the fact that the DNA of a SEC hire is not a "home run".

    hoptownukfan

  • BlueRaider22 said...

    He went 4-8 at Cincy his first yr. Most coaches in their first yr to a program have down yrs. He won 10 games in his 2nd yr and is on pace to win 9-10 in his third yr.

    He did the same thing at CMU. Had a down yr the first yr and then won double digits his next couple.

    He took over a team coming off a Sugar Bowl berth. Going 4-8 the next season was a major disappointment for Cincy fans. He has improved since then but it is hard to gauge anyone with how poor the big east is.

    TheTurnaround13

  • TheTurnaround13 said...

    He took over a team coming off a Sugar Bowl berth. Going 4-8 the next season was a major disappointment for Cincy fans. He has improved since then but it is hard to gauge anyone with how poor the big east is.

    True it is hard to determine how he is doing in the Big East which is why you have to take into account his time at CMU. It's not 100% foolproof but it helps.

    The Sugar Bowl team had a number of veteran players who left after that yr....so they were likely to take a step back anyway. They probably wouldn't have stepped back as far with Kelly b/c they would be under the same system and style, but... Teams usually go in cycles where the talent matures to a point and then graduates.....that's why you see teams go through usually 3-4 yr cycles. Only the top 5% of schools can win consistently every yr without really going through cycles.

    Every coach comes with questions and risks. The only coach that is rumored to be in the running that doesn't have "as much" risk as far as coaching ability is Petrino. Jones has risk, but he has less than others.

    BlueRaider22

  • BlueRaider22 said...

    True it is hard to determine how he is doing in the Big East which is why you have to take into account his time at CMU. It's not 100% foolproof but it helps.

    Take out his first year at both stops and his record is strong. Anybody worried about him not beating enough Big East teams needs to figure he did what he did with Big East talent.

    The main thing I like about Jones is that I think we can assume he will try to do what we've been talking about for years--he'll try to recruit southern Ohio. To me, that's the only feasible geographic advantage UK will ever have and we've never tried to exploit that.

    djkycat54906

  • dj-ky-cat said...

    Take out his first year at both stops and his record is strong. Anybody worried about him not beating enough Big East teams needs to figure he did what he did with Big East talent.

    The main thing I like about Jones is that I think we can assume he will try to do what we've been talking about for years--he'll try to recruit southern Ohio. To me, that's the only feasible geographic advantage UK will ever have and we've never tried to exploit that.

    Also, someone on TOS just stated that Cincy currently has 25 fresh and 15 R-Fresh on the team.....and is on path to win 9 games.

    BlueRaider22

  • Is it true that Butch Jones said No to Kentucky? That's what I'm hearing. Another rumor floating around is that Kentucky has contacted at least 20-30 candidates and they all said No. No games were given

    Throw Deep

  • Throw Deep said...

    Is it true that Butch Jones said No to Kentucky? That's what I'm hearing. Another rumor floating around is that Kentucky has contacted at least 20-30 candidates and they all said No. No games were given

    Troll

    hoptownukfan

  • UC fan that's scared to death his mid tier school is losing another good coach.

    Maximus62865

  • Throw Deep said...

    Is it true that Butch Jones said No to Kentucky? That's what I'm hearing. Another rumor floating around is that Kentucky has contacted at least 20-30 candidates and they all said No. No games were given

    Besides a few "big name" coaches, I don't think Mitch has offered any of the realistic candidates. He's still putting his list together.

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  • hoptownukfan said...

    It's the truth! But yeah, it is revealing in the fact that the DNA of a SEC hire is not a "home run".

    The typical SEC school does not "need" a home run hire. LSU hired a mediocre Les Miles from OK State. Did he suddenly learn how to coach better? No, he just went to a situation where he had more support and better players. The same can be said for Nick Saban to LSU while having an average record at MSU.

    Now let's look at the schools we compare to in fan base, money, and in one case recruiting base: USCjr and Arkansas. What have they done to do well in the SEC, hiring-wise? Well Arkansas got a hot shot coach from Boise State and Bobby Petrino after that. South Carolina had an even steeper hill to climb as they were historically worse than UK up until the last decade or so. They went and hired Lou Holtz then swooped in and got Steve Spurrier. So the recipe for success with schools that we should be trying to compete with is to hire a "home run" coach. The same can be said for MSU and hiring the OC from a national championship team that was coveted by other programs.

    TransyCat09

  • TransyCat09 said...

    The typical SEC school does not "need" a home run hire. LSU hired a mediocre Les Miles from OK State. Did he suddenly learn how to coach better? No, he just went to a situation where he had more support and better players. The same can be said for Nick Saban to LSU while having an average record at MSU.

    Now let's look at the schools we compare to in fan base, money, and in one case recruiting base: USCjr and Arkansas. What have they done to do well in the SEC, hiring-wise? Well Arkansas got a hot shot coach from Boise State and Bobby Petrino after that. South Carolina had an even steeper hill to climb as they were historically worse than UK up until the last decade or so. They went and hired Lou Holtz then swooped in and got Steve Spurrier. So the recipe for success with schools that we should be trying to compete with is to hire a "home run" coach. The same can be said for MSU and hiring the OC from a national championship team that was coveted by other programs.

    But many on here dismiss smart as not good enough.

    hoptownukfan

  • I think Smart is the best option we have, but unfortunately he is not coming from everything I can gather. That is why so many on here or so hell bent on Petrino. He is the only coach that we have a chance at that has proven he can win in the SEC with talent UK can reasonably expect to get. Literally any other hire from the list being floated out there is a gamble. Could MacIntyre, Jones, Dykes, etc. come here and win 8 games? It is possible. However, it is equally likely that they come here and win 5 a season. Then the next time we go looking for a coach and a Bobby Petrino isn't on the market, we will have to take the same gamble on a low level guy and hope he pans out.

    TransyCat09

  • TransyCat09 said...

    I think Smart is the best option we have, but unfortunately he is not coming from everything I can gather. That is why so many on here or so hell bent on Petrino. He is the only coach that we have a chance at that has proven he can win in the SEC with talent UK can reasonably expect to get. Literally any other hire from the list being floated out there is a gamble. Could MacIntyre, Jones, Dykes, etc. come here and win 8 games? It is possible. However, it is equally likely that they come here and win 5 a season. Then the next time we go looking for a coach and a Bobby Petrino isn't on the market, we will have to take the same gamble on a low level guy and hope he pans out.

    Actually following your theory we would need to go after Kliff Kinsbury(ie Arkansas and Houston Nutt) top offense coordinator or Phil Fulmer(ie Lou Holtz Uscjr) have them build us up, then as we are on the verge of being good they would leave and we would hire Pete Carrol or another coach that left college and woud being failing in the NFL. Not saying Pete is failing but you get the point.

    truecatfan4life

  • truecatfan4life said...

    Actually following your theory we would need to go after Kliff Kinsbury(ie Arkansas and Houston Nutt) top offense coordinator or Phil Fulmer(ie Lou Holtz Uscjr) have them build us up, then as we are on the verge of being good they would leave and we would hire Pete Carrol or another coach that left college and woud being failing in the NFL. Not saying Pete is failing but you get the point.

    Well it's not a "theory" as much as just an observation. The middle of the pack teams that we stack up well with in all areas except W-Ls and facilities (i.e. "fixable" things) have gone after big names to help them catch up.

    Houston Nutt was a head coach at two places before coming to Arkansas. I don't know how that equals Kliff Kingsbury.

    Lou Holtz left a lifetime contract at Notre Dame after winning 8 games. Phil Fulmer essentially got fired from UT. Once again, I don't see the symmetry.

    I never said there is a "type" of coach we need to follow a formula, as in, "we have to hire a college guy that failed at the pros because Arkansas and USCjr did that." Rather I am saying we have to hire a coach that has proven he can win big at the college level.

    TransyCat09

  • TransyCat09 said...

    I think Smart is the best option we have, but unfortunately he is not coming from everything I can gather. That is why so many on here or so hell bent on Petrino. He is the only coach that we have a chance at that has proven he can win in the SEC with talent UK can reasonably expect to get. Literally any other hire from the list being floated out there is a gamble. Could MacIntyre, Jones, Dykes, etc. come here and win 8 games? It is possible. However, it is equally likely that they come here and win 5 a season. Then the next time we go looking for a coach and a Bobby Petrino isn't on the market, we will have to take the same gamble on a low level guy and hope he pans out.

    One could argue that Petrino is a gamble too. He could be here for 8'games and then jump ship for a "better job". There is no perfect hire. Each has pros and cons.

    hoptownukfan

  • hoptownukfan said...

    One could argue that Petrino is a gamble too. He could be here for 8'games and then jump ship for a "better job". There is no perfect hire. Each has pros and cons.

    Put in a $10 million buyout, minimum. If he leaves after 8 games, take that loot and then hire the WAC Flavor of the Month you so desire now. That way we're still way ahead.

    Beavis13

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