The House of Blue

Hop said.
One could argue that Petrino is a gamble too. He could be here for 8'games and then jump ship for a "better job". There is no perfect hire. Each has pros and cons.

DevilDevil's advocate says, "Or he could be here for 8 years and make this the 'better job'. Who knows right?"

Alright I gotta start with Fulmer and Holtz. Holtz is a better coach but fulmer is no slacker. Both averaged 9 wins a season at their respective places, both won a national title. Sorry but thsts pretty similiar. Niw the differance would be in 6 more year Phil had two losing seasons going 5-6 and 5-7. Holtz worst record was 6-5-1.

While Kingsbury has not had head coacing experince, he is the hot offensice cord similiar to Nutt.

Now you compared us to Ark and Uscjr. What did both of those teams do. They hired Nutt and Holtz when they were on the down tick, similiar to us. Once those guys got them on the uptick they hired the big name coach.

Even Louisville had John L. Get the from a diwn tick to an uptick before hiring Petrino.

So really right now we would be looking for our guy to get us the uptick before getting the big dawg.

Looking at Petrino he has never taken over a team that was the downtick before. At Louisville they went 11-2 and 7-5 before he took over. Arkansas went 10-4 and 8-4 before he took over. We are staring 1-10 straight in the face, a completely differant beast

Are you speaking in reference as to why holtz left notre dame? If so, Lou holtz was absolutely forced out. His assistants actually forced somewhat of a coup apreading rumors that he had gone crazy.

No Notre Dame fan says that. His assistants wanted him out because one of them got his job would be my guess.

There are 3 reasons thrown out there by Notre Dame fans and not a single one mentions him being forced out based on performance:

- He was getting close to Rockney's record
- He wanted to get recruits like Randy Moss in and the admin wanted to raise academic standards
- There were looming NCAA violations (on which he was cleared).

There is also the fact that his wife had cancer.

I don't know how you are getting that Holtz was forced out in the same way Fulmer was. One was based on one of the reasons listed above and the other was because he was losing his coaching acumen in a changing game.

+1

While not quite as bad as fulmer holtz's main issues were w's and l's. his final 3 seasons at nd were 6-5-1, 9-3 and 8-3. That's pretty poor by nd standards.

Had he been winning big he wouldn't have been forced out. To argue otherwise is either ignoring reality or disingenuous.

Btw, fulmer's last 3 year record was 24-15. Holtz's? 23-11-1. Interesting huh? Pretty similar...

First off, Petrino wouldn't leave UK UNLESS he is winning games here. Schools aren't going to come after him if he's getting his ass handed to him while coaching UK.

Second, Arkansas' AD had enough sense to put a 15million dollar buyout in Petrino's contract to assure everyone that he wouldn't bolt. With neither UT or Auburn chasing Bobby, wouldn't Mitch have enough leverage to demand a similar clause in a contract for Petrino? Would sure seem like it

But hey, why take a chance on someone that might be so good that other teams come after him? LoL Classic UK football mentality.

Holtz was absolutely forced out by ND because they believed the game had passed him by. They did not believe he could coach or recruit to the levek necessary for ND to continue competing for NCs. This has come from Holtz's own mouth to me. Holtz would have retired fot ever from coaching but he was given the opportunity to prove ND wrong. His wife is the #1 driving force in him coaching at USCjr.

Ive known Lou for many years. My oldest and best friend is lou's first cousin, ive been on the sidlines on many games. Lou will forever love ND, buy he was absolutely forced out.

I worked in Knoxville at the time the Fulmer drama was going on. He was definitely forced out by the admin. The fan base thought three game has passed him by. At least the ones i spoke with did.

I hated it when Holtz got forced away because ND I'd like the Yankees and Cowboys, their respective sports are better when they are relevant. I thought that ND would spiral down the drain.

Butch Jones a fluke single? Compare him to the last 6 hires in the sec. It'd be the best hire of any of the programs.

Who are they?

Ole miss - Hired the arky state head coach who was at LAMBUTH the previous year.
Vandy - Franklin - Fired HCIW at Maryland
Auburn - Losing coach from Iowa state
Tennessee - Losing coach from LA tech
Miss State - Hot cooridinator
Florida - Hot assistant from Texas.
Kevin Sumlin - Hot WAC coach

According to most on here all of these would be flops because they aren't "huge" names. Put butch Jones' resume up against those. It's as good or better. Hot coordinator at BCS program who made it to bcs bowl. Has taken over reins and continued success at a VERY VERY VERY VERY tough place to win at.

Vandy is a fired BCS coordinator/hciw. Sorry about that on Sumlin. Sometimes i forget that CUSA even exists anymore... And yea. I realize Chizik is from a BCS conference. That's why I said Iowa state. he was a big time LOSER at iowa state though.

Chizik was 5-19 at Iowa State, 2-14 in the Big 12. Was actually worse his second year, record-wise, than his first too (2-10, 0-8)

Didn't understand that hire either.