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  • Derbyload said...

    No. I didn't plan as such. Most all of that information is public record and can be referenced as conversation requires, but I am not on the offensive. You see, I am merely a guest here and have not taken the role of an interlocutor. I only commented when another poster had made what, in my opinion, was illogical. I somehow do not remember that to be you. Regardless, we all have our allegiances and it makes us not right or wrong only different. There are many ways that either state institution can claim superiority over the other.

    The statement "many ways that either state institution can claim superiority over the other" is true to my way of thinking as well.

    It just does not mesh with your statement, on this very page, that "if either school's Athletic programs are setting a standard in the state, currently and historically, it's the University of Louisville."

    If you are retracting that statement and replacing it with "let's agree to disagree," then no harm done.

    As far as not being an "interlocutor" in this thread, the only logical and contextual definition of that word in this situation is "participant to debate."

    Edit: Obviously, your statement isn't on this very page, as my post started a new page.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by JDHLaw11 on 8/24/2012 at 9:54 AM

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  • JDHLaw11 said...

    The statement "many ways that either state institution can claim superiority over the other" is true to my way of thinking as well.

    It just does not mesh with your statement, on this very page, that "if either school's Athletic programs are setting a standard in the state, currently and historically, it's the University of Louisville."

    If you are retracting that statement and replacing it with "let's agree to disagree," then no harm done.

    As far as not being an "interlocutor" in this thread, the only logical and contextual definition of that word in this situation is "participant to debate."

    Edit: Obviously, your statement isn't on this very page, as my post started a new page.

    I was using the term interlocutor while being defined as being a formal representative of the university. I am not. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/interlocutor

    I retract the statement that "historically" UofL set the standard. In certain areas of the Athletic departments, budgets and early specific sport successes, the numbers indicate otherwise. However, with the exception of one flagship program at the Univeristy of Kentucky, Louisville does bear the current standard in the Athletic realm.

    We can certainly agree to disagree about the most often argued subjects.

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  • diehardcard said...

    Damn, I get crickets about a legitimate question about your thoughts on your team.... Your offense has to be better and your d almost certainly will be worse??? Correct?? I know you have a respectable front 4 but what is the status of your db's and lb's? Is your o line the same guys that helped you rush for 35 yards at home against the youngest d you faced all of last year?

    A little insight into your team is all I'm asking for.....

    No our D could actually be better. Yes we lost two very important players and that will no doubt sting but we're pretty much better at every other spot on the field that we were last year and we played some damn good D towards the end of the year. 3X as good as the D we played against you guys. Our players finally starter to learn Minter's system. I would count on our D being better than it was last year when we played ya. No doubt the O will be head and shoulders better. A lot of you Loserville fans are missing the boat on our young talent at D. We've got young talented mixed with talented experience.

    tWhit

  • tWhit said...

    No our D could actually be better. Yes we lost two very important players and that will no doubt sting but we're pretty much better at every other spot on the field that we were last year and we played some damn good D towards the end of the year. 3X as good as the D we played against you guys. Our players finally starter to learn Minter's system. I would count on our D being better than it was last year when we played ya. No doubt the O will be head and shoulders better. A lot of you Loserville fans are missing the boat on our young talent at D. We've got young talented mixed with talented experience.

    Thanks for the honest answer. I just knew you lost like 750 total takles at LB and you had a starting DB not make it. I know you have recruited well and "claim" to have out recruited us. I guess the next two years of football will answer one or both of these questions...

    1. Did Charlie out recruit joker in his first 2-3 years?

    and/or

    2. Which staff developes players better?

    This post was edited by diehardcard on 8/24/2012 at 11:19 AM

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  • MossCat15 said...

    Essentially my point is no matter what happens, we (UK fans) can still take comfort in the fact that we are still UK and you are still UL....understand?

    There is a reason the Petrino left UL even after building a program that was starting to become something, and decided to go to a program in Arkansas that was a bottom tier SEC program. There is a reason that even if UL gets into a major conference it will be in the 11th hr. as a last ditch option. There is a reason Strong will bolt at the first sign of REAL success and has all but said as much.

    That reason is because people in this state (that you can put whatever demeaning title on you want to, changes nothing), either hate UL, or don't give a shit. Everyone in this state cares about UK. This isn't a Alabam/Auburn situation, we ARE THE ONLY program people in this state that people care about. There is a reason ESPN is pumping out article after article about our basketball program when yours is projected to be just as good. That's because it generates more hits and interest than your little program could. Don't think for a second that won't spill over to the football side if we start experiencing success. BBN is much stronger than TardNation, and that's a FACT and in the end, is why you are at your ceiling, and we aren't even sniffing ours.

    As far as the upcoming game, I'm sure most of you felt it would be an upset to beat UK last year, and it happened. This year the roles are reversed, and your football program is still relatively young and has monumental pressure placed upon itself to preform. We have similar talent, and we have nothing to lose. I would be much more nervous than cocky if I was you.

    1. Petrino didn't leave Louisville to go to Arkansas
    2. So what if Strong leaves to go to a more traditional program that puts twice as many folks in their stadium. The fact is, Louisville is known for coaches having success and UK is not.
    3. Not everyone in our state hates UofL and cares about UK. Louisville has the edge in Jefferson County and surrounding counties and even Owensboro. In southern Kentucky you have a lot of Tennessee fans.
    4. Yes, UK has more fans statewide so of course there will be more "hits" as you say. But for a fanbase with higher numbers you only average about 2,000 more in basketball and about 10-15,000 more a game in football although it looks like Louisville just might put more in their stadium this year.
    5. I agree there may be more pressure on UofL in this upcoming game as the home team and heavy favorite HOWEVER, if you don't think the UK team is feeling pressure because they know that ultimately their coach's future is probably depending on this game then you'd be lying.

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  • diehardcard said...

    Thanks for the honest answer. I just knew you lost like 750 total takles at LB and you had a starting DB not make it. I know you have recruited well and "claim" to have out recruited us. I guess the next two years of football will answer one or both of these questions...

    1. Did Charlie out recruit joker in his first 2-3 years?

    and/or

    2. Which staff developes players better?

    UK fans can defend this team as much as we want, but I have yet to see U of L fans explain how they are going to be THAT much better when they've lost 4/6 top receivers, top rusher, 2/4 top tacklers and interceptors, and kicker, other than the old standby of "our backups were better than our starters". If the answer is "young talent", then you have to agree that we have the chance to have the same type of "young talent".
    Most of your TD drives last year were less than 50 yards. That was a result of our terrible offense going 3 and out on our side of the field. Most everyone paying attention will agree UK's offense will be much better this year, thus forcing you to go farther to get a TD. UK's Defense improved greatly throughout last year...the last 2 games (against Georgia and UT) we had Top 10 defense numbers. If we can make you go 70-80 yards for a TD, I feel pretty good about our defense stopping you.
    I can't wait to see who's right about their team! Go Cats!

    Catfanin502

  • Catfanin502 said...

    UK fans can defend this team as much as we want, but I have yet to see U of L fans explain how they are going to be THAT much better when they've lost 4/6 top receivers, top rusher, 2/4 top tacklers and interceptors, and kicker, other than the old standby of "our backups were better than our starters". If the answer is "young talent", then you have to agree that we have the chance to have the same type of "young talent". Most of your TD drives last year were less than 50 yards. That was a result of our terrible offense going 3 and out on our side of the field. Most everyone paying attention will agree UK's offense will be much better this year, thus forcing you to go farther to get a TD. UK's Defense improved greatly throughout last year...the last 2 games (against Georgia and UT) we had Top 10 defense numbers. If we can make you go 70-80 yards for a TD, I feel pretty good about our defense stopping you. I can't wait to see who's right about their team! Go Cats!

    Charles gains is the big sleeper in our recieving core. I'm hoping he gets some PT and can show in games what he has shown in practice. Which is Randel Cobb like..... Vic Anderson is not as good as Dominique Brown or either of the other 2 backs in the running to start. He is much smaller and slower to boot. You found that out with Brown last year and that was his first week EVER to practice with the RB's. He looks like a different runner in pracrtice. And he ran fairly well against the cats last year. We started 3 true freshman on the o line last year and their 3rd game of the season was on the road against an SEC team and we rushed for 5 times as many yards as the opposing team. We also changed offensive coordinators after the UK game and we averaged 8 more points a game with a much more exciting offense in the last 6 games in 2011. That covers the offense......

    Oh, and the defense is the same guys that held you to 35 yards rushing last year and had 6-7 sacks. We lost dexter Hayman at LB and return all 3 of 4 starters on the D line and in the secondary. Also our depth is much better after another red shirt year and recruiting class of quality players from Charlie instead of Kragthorpe rejects.

    We have 9 seniors and only 6 of them our in the 3 deep so we will only get better for the next 2 years.

    Now its time to quit bench racing at let the guys play. We'll know the answer to my two questions soon enough.

    This post was edited by diehardcard on 8/24/2012 at 2:45 PM

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  • I keep hearing on here that the ul D held UK to 35yds rushing and had 6-7 sacks.. 1 thing you don't realize is that UKs O-line was in shambles for the better part of the season due to injuries.. So far they seem healthy and should be ready to go.. Should be a big difference from last season..

    KYDave32

  • diehardcard said...

    Charles gains is the big sleeper in our recieving core. I'm hoping he gets some PT and can show in games what he has shown in practice. Which is Randel Cobb like..... Vic Anderson is not as good as Dominique Brown or either of the other 2 backs in the running to start. He is much smaller and slower to boot. You found that out with Brown last year and that was his first week EVER to practice with the RB's. He looks like a different runner in pracrtice. And he ran fairly well against the cats last year. We started 3 true freshman on the o line last year and their 3rd game of the season was on the road against an SEC team and we rushed for 5 times as many yards as the opposing team. We also changed offensive coordinators after the UK game and we averaged 8 more points a game with a much more exciting offense in the last 6 games in 2011. That covers the offense......

    Oh, and the defense is the same guys that held you to 35 yards rushing last year and had 6-7 sacks. We lost dexter Hayman at LB and return all 3 of 4 starters on the D line and in the secondary. Also our depth is much better after another red shirt year and recruiting class of quality players from Charlie instead of Kragthorpe rejects.

    We have 9 seniors and only 6 of them our in the 3 deep so we will only get better for the next 2 years.

    Now its time to quit bench racing at let the guys play. We'll know the answer to my two questions soon enough.

    Most of what you have said here has been debunked ad nauseum about 8 pages back.

    I'll point out a few things though, so you don't have to scroll back.

    Offense: Vic Anderson led your team in rushing. Brown had a 3.8 YPC average over the season, which certainly included a practice or two after his first week of ever practicing with the RBs. Strong was clearly playing his best RB last season. Brown's average was helped by his outstanding (no sarcasm) 6 YPC against UK. You didn't change OCs until after you lost to Marshall and in the 11th game of the season with your new OC and super freshmen managed to put up 14 points at home against Pitt. You ended up beating two teams with winning records all season long, although the win over WVU was a very good win. In your bowl game after more than 10 weeks of practice and installation, your innovative offensive attack needed a fake punt and an onside kick late in the 4th quarter to make the game respectable against a 4-4 ACC team.

    Defense: Just from the front seven and off the top of my head, you lost Savoy, Scruggs, and Heyman. These guys accounted for a ton of production for you, including more than half of all the sacks and tackles for loss in last year's UL/UK matchup. You have moved your starting SAM to MLB, which means you will have 2/3 of your LB corps playing their first game in a new position as a starter.

    I'm glad to see you continuing the fine UL tradition of insulting your departed players, including Savoy, Scruggs, and Heyman by referring to them as "Kragthorpe rejects."

    I bet they would be thrilled to know that they played for such a supportive and enthusiastic fanbase.

    JDHLaw11

  • Alanin502 said...

    1. Petrino didn't leave Louisville to go to Arkansas 2. So what if Strong leaves to go to a more traditional program that puts twice as many folks in their stadium. The fact is, Louisville is known for coaches having success and UK is not. 3. Not everyone in our state hates UofL and cares about UK. Louisville has the edge in Jefferson County and surrounding counties and even Owensboro. In southern Kentucky you have a lot of Tennessee fans. 4. Yes, UK has more fans statewide so of course there will be more "hits" as you say. But for a fanbase with higher numbers you only average about 2,000 more in basketball and about 10-15,000 more a game in football although it looks like Louisville just might put more in their stadium this year. 5. I agree there may be more pressure on UofL in this upcoming game as the home team and heavy favorite HOWEVER, if you don't think the UK team is feeling pressure because they know that ultimately their coach's future is probably depending on this game then you'd be lying.

    WHOAAAAAA!! Watch your mouth. Louisville doesn't even almost have the advantage in O'Boro. I lived there for years. Its more like 90-10. Not even freaking close.

    tWhit

  • U of L fans may not know this, but we were installing a new defense last year. As the season wore on, the younger players started playing more, and our numbers improved. We also didn't game plan against Bridgewater or Brown last year. You had the element of surprise with both players. Cobble said that in an interview today. Needless to say, that's not happening this year.
    So Charlie played Vic as #1 RB who wasn't your best RB? Doesn't sound like a very smart coach. And once again I'm hearing that the backups are better than the starters. Surprise surprise.

    And as for the 35 yards rushing....I'm betting we'll rush more than that in the first series on Sept 2nd.

    Catfanin502

  • Derbyload said...

    I was using the term interlocutor while being defined as being a formal representative of the university. I am not. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/interlocutor

    I retract the statement that "historically" UofL set the standard. In certain areas of the Athletic departments, budgets and early specific sport successes, the numbers indicate otherwise. However, with the exception of one flagship program at the Univeristy of Kentucky, Louisville does bear the current standard in the Athletic realm.

    We can certainly agree to disagree about the most often argued subjects.

    Please tell me, besides field hockey, where over the last 5- 7 years (current) that uofl is better in ANY sport. Maybe baseball, but UK has had outstanding teams too.

    You are not based in reality.

    hoptownukfan

  • Alanin502 said...

    1. Petrino didn't leave Louisville to go to Arkansas 2. So what if Strong leaves to go to a more traditional program that puts twice as many folks in their stadium. The fact is, Louisville is known for coaches having success and UK is not. 3. Not everyone in our state hates UofL and cares about UK. Louisville has the edge in Jefferson County and surrounding counties and even Owensboro. In southern Kentucky you have a lot of Tennessee fans. 4. Yes, UK has more fans statewide so of course there will be more "hits" as you say. But for a fanbase with higher numbers you only average about 2,000 more in basketball and about 10-15,000 more a game in football although it looks like Louisville just might put more in their stadium this year. 5. I agree there may be more pressure on UofL in this upcoming game as the home team and heavy favorite HOWEVER, if you don't think the UK team is feeling pressure because they know that ultimately their coach's future is probably depending on this game then you'd be lying.

    1. ou are correct.
    2. False
    3. False, UK has more fans in Louisville than Louisville does. Owensboro is MUCH more blue. You are proving to be quite foolish with these statements.
    4. If our stadium had more steats we would beat you by more. We can only fit so many into our arena.
    5. Both teams have pressure, you are correct here.

    Not bad, 2/5.

    hoptownukfan

  • Catfanin502 said...

    U of L fans may not know this, but we were installing a new defense last year. As the season wore on, the younger players started playing more, and our numbers improved. We also didn't game plan against Bridgewater or Brown last year. You had the element of surprise with both players. Cobble said that in an interview today. Needless to say, that's not happening this year. So Charlie played Vic as #1 RB who wasn't your best RB? Doesn't sound like a very smart coach. And once again I'm hearing that the backups are better than the starters. Surprise surprise.

    And as for the 35 yards rushing....I'm betting we'll rush more than that in the first series on Sept 2nd.

    Each of your last two posts have given me an even higher level of confidence heading into next weekend. Well said....thumbsup

    shepp2700

  • hoptownukfan said...

    Please tell me, besides field hockey, where over the last 5- 7 years (current) that uofl is better in ANY sport. Maybe baseball, but UK has had outstanding teams too.

    You are not based in reality.

    Since 2000 the Cardinals are the only NCAA team to win a BCS bowl game; to appear in the men's basketball Final Four(2 times), the College Baseball World Series (4 times), and the women's basketball Final Four and finish runner's up in the College Cup.

    Since 1997, the school has spent more than $150 million in upgrading its sports facilities.

    Last year alone, 10 conference Championships.

    All being accomplished with lowly Big East revenues.

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  • Derbyload said...

    Since 2000 the Cardinals are the only NCAA team to win a BCS bowl game; to appear in the men's basketball Final Four(2 times), the College Baseball World Series (4 times), and the women's basketball Final Four and finish runner's up in the College Cup.

    Since 1997, the school has spent more than $150 million in upgrading its sports facilities.

    Last year alone, 10 conference Championships.

    All being accomplished with lowly Big East revenues.

    Oh yeah, well.... Since 2000, the Wildcats are the only NCAA team to win the National Championship in basketball, be ranked #1 in ................................................... I forget what else I was about to say.....lol... Do they give an award for meeting all that criteria you just laid out for Louisville, who cares about that...?swirl This thread is about the damn game next Sunday!!

    This post was edited by shepp2700 on 8/24/2012 at 5:14 PM

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  • shepp2700 said...

    Oh yeah, well.... Since 2000, the Wildcats are the only NCAA team to win the National Championship in basketball, be ranked #1 in ................................................... I forget what else I was about to say.....lol... Do they give an award for meeting all that criteria you just laid out for Louisville, who cares about that...?swirl This thread is about the damn game next Sunday!!

    I answered a specifically asked question about my previous post asserting current standard bearing accomplishments. Had you read it, you would see that I made exception for uk's 1 flagship sport.

    As for the game, I have viewed both team's 2 deep. Good luck.

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  • Derbyload said...

    Since 2000 the Cardinals are the only NCAA team to win a BCS bowl game; to appear in the men's basketball Final Four(2 times), the College Baseball World Series (4 times), and the women's basketball Final Four and finish runner's up in the College Cup.

    "Appearing" and "Winning" are two totally different things.

    The more you post, the worse Louisville looks... please carry on.

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  • JawJacker said...

    "Appearing" and "Winning" are two totally different things.

    The more you post, the worse Louisville looks... please carry on.

    As far as state collegiate Athletic programs, I await your enlightenment on uk's contribution or unrivaled accomplishments.

    Sans Basketball, as I have conceded previously.

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  • Derbyload said...

    I answered a specifically asked question about my previous post asserting current standard bearing accomplishments. Had you read it, you would see that I made exception for uk's 1 flagship sport.

    As for the game, I have viewed both team's 2 deep. Good luck.

    I know, I just like givin you sh@! since you are a damn cards fan. And I'm trying to keep this thread going strong as long as possible to satisfy some silly sense of accomplishment sense I started it lol. But, I do have to say, that post reminded me of when someones little brother doesn't realize how lame it looks to have the most improved award trophy next to his big brothers MVP trophies .... Go cayuts!!!

    shepp2700

  • Derbyload said...

    As far as state collegiate Athletic programs, I await your enlightenment on uk's contribution or unrivaled accomplishments.

    Sans Basketball, as I have conceded previously.

    Sec championship in women's basketball, toughest conference in nation. Conference title in men's baseball. Toughest conference. Top 5 finish and conference title in men's tennis, bowl games on 5/6 seasons. That's all I can think of off top of head. Your turn ace.

    hoptownukfan

  • hoptownukfan said...

    Sec championship in women's basketball, toughest conference in nation. Conference title in men's baseball. Toughest conference. Top 5 finish and conference title in men's tennis, bowl games on 5/6 seasons. That's all I can think of off top of head. Your turn ace.

    Last year alone Louisville won 10...... 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 Conference Championships.

    LAST YEAR. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mbuko7umlD0

    Bowl Games? How about 11 of the last 14 years. (Kragthorpe was the only 1 of the last 3 coaches to have whiffed)

    Your volley.

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  • Retardation ^^^ running amok in this thread

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  • JawJacker said...

    Retardation ^^^ running amok in this thread

    How so?

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  • Derbyload said...

    Last year alone Louisville won 10...... 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 Conference Championships.

    LAST YEAR. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mbuko7umlD0

    Bowl Games? How about 11 of the last 14 years. (Kragthorpe was the only 1 of the last 3 coaches to have whiffed)

    Your volley.

    Join a real conference first.

    hoptownukfan