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  • Catmando said...

    Those problems will never get fixed unless UK hires a BIG TIME NAME that can put pressure on the admin! The people who are causeing these problems behind the scenes don't care, and nobody who really knows who they are has the balls to stand up and call them out.

    The only way UK finally comitts to football is if we bring in a BIG time coach that wins, gets the fans on his side, and has the guts to stand up to the admin, and put pressure on them publically. We need a larger than life personality, like Cal, that will call these Jerkoffs out! There may not be a quick fix, but there will be no fix if we just continue to wallow in mediocrity in all possible ways. The one thing we do have control over in the immediate future, is the coach that is hired.

    The bigger problem is that the big name will never become the head coach without the commitment of the administration. That will require a change from the Legislature in some form or fashion.

    Tracing the problem back, it begins with UK Athletics' inability to take on its own debt in its name. The purse strings are controlled by state government. Since the purse strings are out of the hands of the BOT (except to the extent that the BOT can exert influence politically) that means the BOT cannot give the AD the go-ahead on a plan. Without that approval, the AD cannot present Coach BigName with that plan to enter the arms race.

    No coach is going to successfully compete if he is unarmed, undermanned, and unsupported. The problems run deeper than the AD or head coach.

    The next coaching hire could be disappointing from a "splash" perspective. But the disappointment certainly won't rest solely at the feet of the AD.

    JDHLaw11 ●

  • JDHLaw11 said...

    The bigger problem is that the big name will never become the head coach without the commitment of the administration. That will require a change from the Legislature in some form or fashion.

    Tracing the problem back, it begins with UK Athletics' inability to take on its own debt in its name. The purse strings are controlled by state government. Since the purse strings are out of the hands of the BOT (except to the extent that the BOT can exert influence politically) that means the BOT cannot give the AD the go-ahead on a plan. Without that approval, the AD cannot present Coach BigName with that plan to enter the arms race.

    No coach is going to successfully compete if he is unarmed, undermanned, and unsupported. The problems run deeper than the AD or head coach.

    The next coaching hire could be disappointing from a "splash" perspective. But the disappointment certainly won't rest solely at the feet of the AD.

    You are correct. Bigger issues.
    Truely the only way to effect change - legislative or otherwise - is to see how they all (UK, BOT, State) like trying to support the other activities funded by football off 10k season ticket sales. Maybe they can do give-away's like UofL did in the 70's and 80's to get fan's in the stands.
    Maybe that will do it. I've had tickets 25+ years and if there is not a MAJOR hire, I am done and I know I am not alone.
    Just tired of the same ole, same ole from Curci to date. One excuse after another. Frustrating BEYOND belief.

    KickAssCats

  • footballcat65 said...

    If Joker does get let go what should UK pay to hire an elite coach? I say at least between 3 or 4 million. Your thoughts?

    Unless the UKAA / BOT / Admin are willing to pony up about $200-250M in FB only projects over the course of his contract... (Commonwealth Upgrades / recruiting area - FB only facilities - FB only housing)...They need not pony up $3M+/yr on a name coach....They should stay the course of penny pinching the FB program & hiring also-rans & not-quite-there's.

    No sense in spending the dough on a name - if your not going to give him a legit shot at winning in the SEC. And UK's gotta feed the GOLD STANDARD of college basketball...As they have done for the last umpteen decades.

    UK FB's entire recruiting budget (<$400k) doesn't even pay for the Jet Fuel used to shuttle Coach Cal coast to coast to recruit 5-6 kids a yr....but FB has to recruit 25.
    BBN "donors" funded a $18M Wildcat Lodge...& UK FB get $150K worth of Fatheads & wallpaper for the Nutter.

    (Do not even talk about the ring boards or big screen scoreboard at Commonwealth...Those were so UK could sell more ADVERTISING & generate more revenue for the UKAA...Not to increase the FAN EXPERIENCE as it was sold to John Q Public!)

    catcard202

  • catcard202 said...

    Unless the UKAA / BOT / Admin are willing to pony up about $200-250M in FB only projects over the course of his contract... (Commonwealth Upgrades / recruiting area - FB only facilities - FB only housing)...They need not pony up $3M+/yr on a name coach....They should stay the course of penny pinching the FB program & hiring also-rans & not-quite-there's.

    No sense in spending the dough on a name - if your not going to give him a legit shot at winning in the SEC. And UK's gotta feed the GOLD STANDARD of college basketball...As they have done for the last umpteen decades.

    UK FB's entire recruiting budget (<$400k) doesn't even pay for the Jet Fuel used to shuttle Coach Cal coast to coast to recruit 5-6 kids a yr....but FB has to recruit 25. BBN "donors" funded a $18M Wildcat Lodge...& UK FB get $150K worth of Fatheads & wallpaper for the Nutter.

    (Do not even talk about the ring boards or big screen scoreboard at Commonwealth...Those were so UK could sell more ADVERTISING & generate more revenue for the UKAA...Not to increase the FAN EXPERIENCE as it was sold to John Q Public!)

    That's why you hire a big name, to get these things done.

    footballcat65

  • dvillepro1 said...

    OK first of all it will not be just 4 or 5 mill per yr. It will be 4 to 5 for the coach and another 4 for his staff.
    total of 9 mill +.

    How will UK pay for this ????? trippplll ticket prices ????

    And add this folks he will still have to recruit the same state of KY that has very little talent each yr to pick from. And why would a 4 or 5 star kid leave GA or Bama to come this far north to play for KY ????
    When they have dreamed of playing in there home state in front of family.

    Sorry folks we UK fans dream a ton of dreams. But hey its not my money lets spend 20 mill per yr on the best staff poss!!!

    I am sorry, but you're just flat wrong. Currently Coach Cal makes more than the entire football coaching staff combined. UK athletics spends millions on the non profit sports every year. Bringing in a top coaching staff for the most profitable sport is the smart thing to do. Not only will the money balance itself out in ticket sales, it will eventually turn to a profit.

    This post was edited by Big Sarge on 9/17/2012 at 5:30 PM

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  • Kiss45 said...

    First of all Tressell is no different than your God Send coach Cal! He made a mistake by covering up 5 players wrong doing and tried to fix it himself without proper protocol ! However as a Buckeye stuck in this state ie wife and her family thank God for Ironton OH 3 min from my house. However I will say UK fans love to win and Tressell is a winner 3 title games in 10 years 1 national title 5-3 in BCS bowls 7 conference titles ! The man gets it and knows how to motivate young champions as he calls them! UK football would greatly improve under the vest and as his players have ALWAYS said The Vest knows Best! He would embrace the UK community and bring a since of pride to EVERYTHING UK would offer! Obviously I'm a UK hater but he would be a home run hire! Face it Joker must go!! The football program is a doormat in the country and now even lower than a doormat in its own state!! UK should bring a national brand in everything ! Sorry but it not just care about Basketball.TOSU! does well in both so does many other schools MIchigan St , Florida , Wisconsin, TSUN, WVU! If those schools can do it so can UK

    Even though u are a self proclaimed Kentucky hater (witch i dont understand, what have we ever done to TOSU) i Love the passion u have for ur Ex coach even though Meyer is there now.
    I dont want Tresel personally because he hasn't done very well (understatement) against the SEC at TOSU where he could get just about any recruit he wanted, and still couldn't beat the big boys, TOSU did beat one SEC team a few yrs back but joker has beat UT and USC in his 1st 2 yrs with far less talent and resources that someone coaching at TOSU would have.
    Not bashing just saying.

    +1 Hope u post more often.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by catfaninMs on 9/17/2012 at 8:04 PM

    catfaninMs

  • dvillepro1 said...

    OK first of all it will not be just 4 or 5 mill per yr. It will be 4 to 5 for the coach and another 4 for his staff. total of 9 mill +.

    How will UK pay for this ????? trippplll ticket prices ????

    And add this folks he will still have to recruit the same state of KY that has very little talent each yr to pick from. And why would a 4 or 5 star kid leave GA or Bama to come this far north to play for KY ???? When they have dreamed of playing in there home state in front of family.

    Sorry folks we UK fans dream a ton of dreams. But hey its not my money lets spend 20 mill per yr on the best staff poss!!!

    Actually most universities, including UK, don't pay the lions share of the coaches salary. Most of the compensation package is paid by sponsors, boosters, etc. So if we found the right coach, I think the money would be there, and UK would not be paying the bulk of the package.

    cat in the hat

  • I don't think they should pay more than the job is worth. It's time to quit the day dreaming by thinking a proven coach will walk through that door. This is the Kentucky Football program, not the other ball and it's a long ways from being a place that should pay top dollar. All that would do is set itself up for a huge financial loss once the next coach runs into the same obstacles the others have.

    Make a smart hire, not one that is just made to please the fans for two days. Do your homework and find someone who has the skill set to take on this job. Winning is something that will have to be built after the hire, if that happens then you start spending more money but not before then.

    JohnBlue_

  • JohnBlue_ said...

    I don't think they should pay more than the job is worth. It's time to quit the day dreaming by thinking a proven coach will walk through that door. This is the Kentucky Football program, not the other ball and it's a long ways from being a place that should pay top dollar. All that would do is set itself up for a huge financial loss once the next coach runs into the same obstacles the others have.

    Make a smart hire, not one that is just made to please the fans for two days. Do your homework and find someone who has the skill set to take on this job. Winning is something that will have to be built after the hire, if that happens then you start spending more money but not before then.

    I agree with this, I just don't feel we have the AD who can make this call.

    There's not a magical solution to hiring the next guy; as much as everyone would like, there is no way that we will bring in a home-run hire that can turn this thing around in a couple of years.

    We just need to hit on the right guy who is a fit and then stay with him. After that, I do believe that the money will come; maybe slowly, but it could happen.

    rob65

  • trueUKgamer said...

    Because I see a bunch of Chickens with their heads cut off, running around and demanding change now, after a bad loss no doubt. I get sick of this argument. Hire a big name and that will fix everything. People love the quick fix, that they think, will fix everything. There are clearly BIGGER problems with the program. Fix those, those are the actually problems.

    I see the "Bigger Problem" as the total lack of support for FB from the Admin. & it's been going on for Yrs & Yrs & Yrs.

    I call total BS on a lack of funding for UK FB, as well. UKAA has had a upper tier budget for yrs...2011.. UKAA had a $83.6M budget...(roughly = to UGA, higher than ARK/ USC/ MS St./ OleMiss / Vandy.)...Only problem...The real # is much smaller. Per UKAA - they are/and have been sending back 25% of that $$$ back to UK + Millions in Merchandising / office rental & scholarship funding!!!

    Q: How many $Million's of UKAA funds did Pres.Todd shuffle over to his UK Hospital project?? (a $535M project!)

    Q: How much $$$ has Mitch been talking about needing to renovate & update the FB program??? A: $150M.

    Now, I'm not saying that UK should not have funded a hospital project...It was/is a totally valid & worthy project.

    What I'm saying is that the university could have gotten bonded for the hospital a hell of a lot easier than bonded for UK FB projects!!!!
    UK could have been on a level playing field w/ the rest of the SEC...And they did not need to get outside funding for UK FB projects, if they hadn't robbed the UKAA coffers to pay for the Hospital!

    Kinda like how Congress has been robbing Social Sec for yrs, something to the tune of $2Trillion over it's lifetime, & now that all that missing $$$ is needed to sustain it's future, some call it a failed enterprise & think it needs to be "adjusted" or cut-out all together!

    This post was edited by catcard202 on 9/17/2012 at 9:46 PM

    catcard202

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