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What was coach Brooks two best and two worst traits?--

  • As it related to his impact on the football team during his tenure.
    This might be hard to choose but give it a try.

    1. His best: Ability to identify and recruit hidden and overlooked talent. second: His stubbornness in sticking to his objectives without waiver or listening to the "noise."
    2. His worst: Promoting from within instead of looking for outside talent. example Steve Brown and arguably, Joker. Second: His stubbornness in standing by his assistants in the face of them being bad fits for the program. I.e., Ron Hudson, Mike Archer.

    Anybody care to offer up some more?

    ukfit

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    This post was edited by ukfit on 10/21/2011 at 6:58 PM

    ukfit

  • ukfit said...

    As it related to his impact on the football team during his tenure. This might be hard to choose but give it a try.

    1. His best: Ability to identify and recruit hidden and overlooked talent. second: His stubbornness in sticking to his objectives without waiver or listening to the "noise." 2. His worst: Promoting from within instead of looking for outside talent. example Steve Brown and arguably, Joker. Second: His stubbornness in standing by his assistants in the face of them being bad fits for the program. I.e., Ron Hudson, Mike Archer.

    Anybody care to offer up some more?

    What was wrong with Joker as OC? On the surface he stood by his assistants but behind the scenes not sure.

    tdky

  • Best: He was hard nosed and well spoken

    Worst: His teams had a habit of struggling out of the gate and he never put together a SEC quality staff.

    olblue

  • Best: honest & straightforward

    Worst: didn't emphasis recruiting enough.

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    cobbycobb

  • Best: Stubborn
    Worst: Stubborn

    Like most people's go-to trait is usually overused. If hadn't been so stubborn he wouldn't have had the success he had. Additionally, if he hadn't been so stubborn he would have likely still been around.

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  • I'm amazed that Rich Brooks accomplished all that he did here because he had to overcome terrible assistant coaching hires. The bell cows of his first staff were Ron Hudson, Mike Archer, and Steve Ortmayer. I think Ortmayer was terrific at film room player evaluation, but he was a NFL front office guy and a very weak hands on coach on the practice field. Needless to say, Hudson and Archer were disasters here. Follow that up with Jimmy Heggins, Steve Brown, and Joker. Brooks spent countless hours with Joker in the film room, devising game plans, on the practice field, and on the headsets during games, so no one including Mitch had a better feel for Joker's ability, and in my opinion Joker is way over his head at this level.

    ajp40505

  • tdky said...

    What was wrong with Joker as OC? On the surface he stood by his assistants but behind the scenes not sure.

    Joker was a good OC compared to what we have now; but I was talking about him being promoted from within to HCIW. Brooks always promoted from within rather than looking to see who was the best there was available.
    In this respect he was more loyal to his coaches than he was to the football teams welfare.

    This post was edited by ukfit on 10/22/2011 at 6:11 PM

    ukfit

  • ukfit said...

    Joker was a good OC compared to what we have now; but I was talking about him being promoted from within to HCIW. Brooks always promoted from within rather than looking to see who was the best there was available. In this respect he was more loyal to his coaches than he was to the football teams welfare.

    I think Rich Brooks' greatest strength was the respect he had from his players. Respect from players is earned over time as a result of consistency.

    Of all the people you meet in your life, Rich Brooks is the guy you would want to be in a foxhole with.

    5368ppi

  • I disagree but hey what would I know I have actually been in a "fighting" hole. haha. I would compare Rich to a leader that was outstanding in Vietnam but in Iraq those tactics dont work yet he continued to revert back to them. Dont get me wrong on this, I love CRB and everything he did for our football program. The thing is some of his stubbornness will get you killed. Im not trying to get too deep into your example but the key is adaptability. For my money on any of the last two staffs I will take Rick Minter in a fighting hole. The guy knows he needs to adapt and is willing to do so. If we are strictly talking about either Joker or Rich I take experience over none. That doesnt mean the lesser experienced guy will fail it just means he has to be willing to learn and change if things go wrong. Which IMO has been a very good trait of Jokers.

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  • I think Joker showed courage to pick Minter.
    That is adaptability that was forced on him. He does not easily change his plan, but he had to here because the evidence mounted to intolerability with Brown.
    He made the change-and it has provided dividends and this cannot be challenged. It just cant.\

    He has not made a change with the OC. It needs to be made at the end of the year. YOu cannot change half the problem and let the other half fester and mold.
    The playcalling is not what it could be with a more creative and imaginitive and here is the key as it WAS WITH THE DEFENSE: MORE AGGRESSIVE OFFENSIVE PLAYCALLING.

    There are those that do not want the OC changed. There are homers-status quo guys who think the same. They MIGHT BE the same ones ON HERE that did not want Steve Brown demoted.
    Where are they now?
    Lets have amnesty for them and let them admit they were wrong but lets see if they have learned from their experience that the DEFENSE needed changed when they said it did not.
    IT DID need changed.
    IT WAS changed.
    Now things are better for this team.
    Lets get that OC changed and see what happens. I might be wrong, but I doubt it.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by ukfit on 10/23/2011 at 10:07 AM

    ukfit

  • Last year this was bigblue247.com and NOONE on here didnt want Brown demoted. Except for MAYBE Jeff and Chris and they just never really gave an opinion. Which is exactly what they should do in their line of work.

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