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Who is the real Joker Philips?

  • JHB4UK said...

    Laughable, just laughable at you equating the elevation of Joker Phillips as comparable to other coordinators who were on the staff's of National Championship teams. What damn thing do you know about football again Hop? Other than the eternal pumping of sunshine, that is?

    James Franklin won a title at Maryland? Who knew?

    hoptownukfan

  • JHB4UK said...

    Muschamp was DC on a national championship LSU team. Was DC and named head coach in waiting at one of the top 5 jobs in the country at Tejas. Rob Mullins was OC for national championship teams at Florida. Personal guru of Tim Tebow. If you want to go even farther back and reach for the hiring of Mark Richt, he was OC at Florida State when they WERE Florida State, no coincidence they werent after he left.

    Pretty awful comparison to mention those guys as justifying UK that did not reach in the decision made with Rich Brooks retirement

    Ron zook won a national title?

    hoptownukfan

  • I have an easy answer for everyone, those who love the team, watch and root for them and those who don't, don't watch or follow them. Everyone has a right to what they want to say but really only a few make any real valid points. It doesn't matter if you where on an national champion program, powerhouse program, or a program that barely wins, if you're a oc, dc, or an assistant, if you never been an hc before who knows how you'll turn out. The sunshine pumpers or lod thing is really getting stupid. It's like being in high school all over again.

    You don't like Joker or the team, that's fine but quit with the non stop bickering. Who knows how this year turns out, I'm going to let it play out before I voice my opinion. Either you love UK or you don't.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by morbidky84 on 6/16/2012 at 10:10 PM

    Why so serious?

    morbidky84

  • Since i've been called out I'll bite. A few things I agree with the sp4l Joker being successful is the best thing for KY. To maintain a long period of success we need somebody that bleeds blue and won't jump ship. He runs a tight ship as far as discipline (Hartline). He ended the Tenn. streak and beat Spurrier. Played Auburn right down to the wire. That said his teams often come out flat and look unmotivated early. He often looks in over his head. He is ultra conservative and predictable. Our recruiting has improved but we still lag behind in the SEC which is out measuring stick since they're talking about a 9 game conference schedule. We looked unprepared against WKU. Got blasted against Vandy. Lost at home to a very young Louisville. LSU I can understand but we should've been a little more competitive. Florida was down this year and they still blitzed us. The one bright spot was beating Tenn. but how bad is it when you brag about beating a 5-7 team. If it wasn't for the streak no one would've cared. We did play Georgia well I will give him that. For UK to be successfull we need energy and excitement. Someone recruits want to play for. IN All fairness I do think the hciw hurt Joker because we knew what we were getting. When he took over there wasn't a lot of excitement like when you hire somebody new. For some reason new coaches bring a lot of hope and excitement for change and future success. If Joker shows improvement on the field this year and hope for the future I will change my opinion on him. It might not show it the win/loss because the schedule is so tough. At the end of the day he still has a losing record and we look like we're regressing on the field instead of improving. That's my honest opinion. If he proves me wrong that's great because I, like everyone else wanna see UK succeed.

    This post was edited by jeffries123 on 6/16/2012 at 10:47 PM

    jeffries123

  • jeffries123 said...

    Since i've been called out I'll bite. A few things I agree with the sp4l Joker being successful is the best thing for KY. To maintain a long period of success we need somebody that bleeds blue and won't jump ship. He runs a tight ship as far as discipline (Hartline). He ended the Tenn. streak and beat Spurrier. Played Auburn right down to the wire. That said his teams often come out flat and look unmotivated early. He often looks in over his head. He is ultra conservative and predictable. Our recruiting has improved but we still lag behind in the SEC which is out measuring stick since they're talking about a 9 game conference schedule. We looked unprepared against WKU. Got blasted against Vandy. Lost at home to a very young Louisville. LSU I can understand but we should've been a little more competitive. Florida was down this year and they still blitzed us. The one bright spot was beating Tenn. but how bad is it when you brag about beating a 5-7 team. If it wasn't for the streak no one would've cared. We did play Georgia well I will give him that. For UK to be successfull we need energy and excitement. Someone recruits want to play for. IN All fairness I do think the hciw hurt Joker because we knew what we were getting. When he took over there wasn't a lot of excitement like when you hire somebody new. For some reason new coaches bring a lot of hope and excitement for change and future success. If Joker shows improvement on the field this year and hope for the future I will change my opinion on him. It might not show it the win/loss because the schedule is so tough. At the end of the day he still has a losing record and we look like we're regressing on the field instead of improving. That's my honest opinion. If he proves me wrong that's great because I, like everyone else wanna see UK succeed.

    To me he has been conservative because his butt is on the line as a head coach. He feels so much pressure. He needs to just let it all hang out since he has nothing to loose.
    He does have better players now and he needs to just let them play.

    dvillepro1

  • tommy said...

    Hop, why do you continue to waste your time with such trivial little things such as FACTS. Have you not noticed yet that facts are simply irrelevant with some folks?

    Interesting. I see no fact in Hoptown's comment, nor yours Tommy. Of course, if guys like you and Hop disagree with someone, they must be wrong, and spew lies.

    Hoptown even goes so far as to quote me and not even really comment on the very post he is quoting. Nice way to bash somebody guys.
    But if you like facts:

    Fact: a. I never said a damn thing about Franklin so I don't know where your're getting that from?
    b. Fact: I vehemently oppossed hiring Joker as the Head Coach because he had never been a HC before. Sorry if I wasn't posting on the same message board as you at the time. God forbid.
    c. Fact: I would have been sorry to see Joker go as an assistant, but most certainly wouldn't have complained if his reason for leaving was not getting a job he was too inexperienced to take over. The best thing Joker could have done is get HC experience somewhere else and then taken over at UK when he was ready for it.

    Since you guys were apparently too dense to get my point though, I iwasn't saying that other SEC teams haven't picked worse coaches, or coaches with no SEC HC experience. Just no HC experience at all at any level. . I also made the disclaimer that I didn't know that for sure, but I bet you'd have a hard time finding one. And as someone else said, if you are gonna hire a guy with no HC experience, he darn well better have proven himself as a big time, nat. chapion coordinator, a situation that is in no way comparabel to Joker and you all freakin know it.

    Some of you guys bitch and snipe like freaking snotty women. I could post that Hptown is the coolest mf on the board and he's disagree with me just to be an a-hole. as much as you guys complain about being tired of the LOD, I'm tired of seeing you attack every post that you disagree with and gang up on others. At least I give my honest opinion, right or wrong, rather than try to have a message board circle jerk every day.

    This post was edited by Catmando on 6/17/2012 at 2:55 AM

    Catmando

  • Catmando said...

    Interesting. I see no fact in Hoptown's comment, nor yours Tommy. Of course, if guys like you and Hop disagree with someone, they must be wrong, and spew lies.

    Hoptown even goes so far as to quote me and not even really comment on the very post he is quoting. Nice way to bash somebody guys.
    But if you like facts:

    Fact: a. I never said a damn thing about Franklin so I don't know where your're getting that from?
    b. Fact: I vehemently oppossed hiring Joker as the Head Coach because he had never been a HC before. Sorry if I wasn't posting on the same message board as you at the time. God forbid.
    c. Fact: I would have been sorry to see Joker go as an assistant, but most certainly wouldn't have complained if his reason for leaving was not getting a job he was too inexperienced to take over. The best thing Joker could have done is get HC experience somewhere else and then taken over at UK when he was ready for it.

    Since you guys were apparently too dense to get my point though, I iwasn't saying that other SEC teams haven't picked worse coaches, or coaches with no SEC HC experience. Just no HC experience at all at any level. . I also made the disclaimer that I didn't know that for sure, but I bet you'd have a hard time finding one. And as someone else said, if you are gonna hire a guy with no HC experience, he darn well better have proven himself as a big time, nat. chapion coordinator, a situation that is in no way comparabel to Joker and you all freakin know it.

    Some of you guys bitch and snipe like freaking snotty women. I could post that Hptown is the coolest mf on the board and he's disagree with me just to be an a-hole. as much as you guys complain about being tired of the LOD, I'm tired of seeing you attack every post that you disagree with and gang up on others. At least I give my honest opinion, right or wrong, rather than try to have a message board circle jerk every day.

    You said you didn't think any sec team had ever hired a coordinator as head coach. I know of 4 other coaches in sec Right now who were hired when they were coordinators and had no prior hc experience. James
    Franklin is one of them. You and others point to Franklin as some kind of coaching god. That's why I mentioned him.

    Having hc experience is proven to not be a prerequisite for success. Would it have been nice? Sure, but at the time you couldn't find a soul who questioned the decisiOn. Hindsight posting at its best. Furthermore, why are you already digging the grave on joker? Do you think he should have already been hired?

    This post was edited by hoptownukfan on 6/17/2012 at 6:54 AM

    hoptownukfan

  • WildcatGG24 said...

    Well your facts are wrong.

    The 4th and 2 punt came with 14 minutes left.

    Tennessee wasnt beat down too much....Bray played the week before when they beat Vandy.

    Pretty sure it came around the 7 minute mark if not closer to 5.

    bigbluemist

  • hoptownukfan said...

    Awful post. I can name a dozen hires by sec teams who piked worse choices. Hell, Franklin was considered a bad and risky hire at vandy.

    A. You can't judge any coach on two years unless there are blatant signs of something being wrong.

    B. I couldn't find a person who questioned joker being named coach in waiting when he was named.

    C. Had Barnhart allowed joker to leave and take the Oklahoma oc job people like you would have been screaming for Mitch's head. Joker was one of the hottest assistants in the game when he was named hciw.

    A. BS. It's MB's job to make the HC choice judgment correctly before there's two years of experience with him. It's what he's paid to do. And how does bringing up bad SEC HC choices make MB look good? But yes, once he's made the call it takes more than two years to determine if that choice will succeed.

    B. Of course. You expect the person being very well paid to make the choice to do be right, not wrong. And how can someone not in the judgment seat to make their own judgment until the HCIW is HC? Everyone else doesn't have all the data MB had. And none of that takes into account the race issue. Imagine the criticism and claims of racism had there been even valid complaints about Joker's hire even before he took over.

    C. Again, MB is paid to take the heat. And why wouldn't Joker have been available to be our HC when Brooks did retire?

    And you still ignore that MB expected we fans to tolerate Joker learning on the job for 2+ years and be happy about it.

    vhcat1970

  • vhcat1970 said...

    A. BS. It's MB's job to make the HC choice judgment correctly before there's two years of experience with him. It's what he's paid to do. And how does bringing up bad SEC HC choices make MB look good? But yes, once he's made the call it takes more than two years to determine if that choice will succeed.

    B. Of course. You expect the person being very well paid to make the choice to do be right, not wrong. And how can someone not in the judgment seat to make their own judgment until the HCIW is HC? Everyone else doesn't have all the data MB had. And none of that takes into account the race issue. Imagine the criticism and claims of racism had there been even valid complaints about Joker's hire even before he took over.

    C. Again, MB is paid to take the heat. And why wouldn't Joker have been available to be our HC when Brooks did retire?

    And you still ignore that MB expected we fans to tolerate Joker learning on the job for 2+ years and be happy about it.

    Huh?

    hoptownukfan

  • vhcat1970 said...

    A. BS. It's MB's job to make the HC choice judgment correctly before there's two years of experience with him. It's what he's paid to do. And how does bringing up bad SEC HC choices make MB look good? But yes, once he's made the call it takes more than two years to determine if that choice will succeed.

    B. Of course. You expect the person being very well paid to make the choice to do be right, not wrong. And how can someone not in the judgment seat to make their own judgment until the HCIW is HC? Everyone else doesn't have all the data MB had. And none of that takes into account the race issue. Imagine the criticism and claims of racism had there been even valid complaints about Joker's hire even before he took over.

    C. Again, MB is paid to take the heat. And why wouldn't Joker have been available to be our HC when Brooks did retire?

    And you still ignore that MB expected we fans to tolerate Joker learning on the job for 2+ years and be happy about it.

    I literally read this 3 times and Im still not sure i quite get what your saying?

    Are you saying that because MB gets paid a lot of money he's not allowed to be wrong? Or shouldn't be wrong? No one should be wrong but it does happen from time to time. The point (i think...not sure anymore) of this thread is that with most programs its takes longer than 2 years to know for sure.

    I swear some of y'all are bout to make me lose my Christian up in here. Lol. A while back i started a thread about how we should all put this nonsense behind us and unite and rally around the program this year. I do admit i wandered off that path with Jeffries123 but the guy came on here looking to troll and start junk. Had he started posting like his last post he probably wouldn't have gotten the same responses.

    This post was edited by tommy on 6/17/2012 at 8:13 AM

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    tommy

  • Catmando said...

    Interesting. I see no fact in Hoptown's comment, nor yours Tommy. Of course, if guys like you and Hop disagree with someone, they must be wrong, and spew lies.

    Hoptown even goes so far as to quote me and not even really comment on the very post he is quoting. Nice way to bash somebody guys.
    But if you like facts:

    Fact: a. I never said a damn thing about Franklin so I don't know where your're getting that from?
    b. Fact: I vehemently oppossed hiring Joker as the Head Coach because he had never been a HC before. Sorry if I wasn't posting on the same message board as you at the time. God forbid.
    c. Fact: I would have been sorry to see Joker go as an assistant, but most certainly wouldn't have complained if his reason for leaving was not getting a job he was too inexperienced to take over. The best thing Joker could have done is get HC experience somewhere else and then taken over at UK when he was ready for it.

    Since you guys were apparently too dense to get my point though, I iwasn't saying that other SEC teams haven't picked worse coaches, or coaches with no SEC HC experience. Just no HC experience at all at any level. . I also made the disclaimer that I didn't know that for sure, but I bet you'd have a hard time finding one. And as someone else said, if you are gonna hire a guy with no HC experience, he darn well better have proven himself as a big time, nat. chapion coordinator, a situation that is in no way comparabel to Joker and you all freakin know it.

    Some of you guys bitch and snipe like freaking snotty women. I could post that Hptown is the coolest mf on the board and he's disagree with me just to be an a-hole. as much as you guys complain about being tired of the LOD, I'm tired of seeing you attack every post that you disagree with and gang up on others. At least I give my honest opinion, right or wrong, rather than try to have a message board circle jerk every day.

    As Hop posted, you came out proclaiming that NO HC's in the SEC were first time HC's. Sorry, but that, like it or not, was an uneducated statement.

    When reading a post like that its useless to use facts with some of you guys. My point was made for me when someone tried to use the very facts Hop posted (naming all the first timers) and argue how all those guys were different somehow than Joker. His point was that all those guys were coordinaters at top schools. Well, Joker was one of the hottest OC's in the country at the time as well as being very close to being at a top program in Oklahoma.

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  • By the way, regardless of whether i agree with some of you guys, disagree with some of you guys, or simply think a couple of you guys are mega douche bags lol...
    I do wanna sincerely wish all of you guys a very happy fathers day. Us fathers are so underappreciated and undervalued in this country today. So to all of you fellas who out your children first and give your all to being a dad...God bless ya.

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  • hoptownukfan said...

    You said you didn't think any sec team had ever hired a coordinator as head coach. I know of 4 other coaches in sec Right now who were hired when they were coordinators and had no prior hc experience. James Franklin is one of them. You and others point to Franklin as some kind of coaching god. That's why I mentioned him.

    Having hc experience is proven to not be a prerequisite for success. Would it have been nice? Sure, but at the time you couldn't find a soul who questioned the decisiOn. Hindsight posting at its best. Furthermore, why are you already digging the grave on joker? Do you think he should have already been hired?

    read the post again. That's not what I said at all. Good try though.

    Catmando

  • Catmando said...

    read the post again. That's not what I said at all. Good try though.

    It's exactly what you said. You clearly questioned hiring a coach with no prior hc experience. You now realize how much of a
    Fool you look like.

    hoptownukfan

  • Catmando said...

    It's the AD's job to hire a succesful HC, not Rich Brooks. You just don't hire a guy who's never been a HC of anything to be an SEC HC. I'd be willing to bet this is the first time and SEC school ever did such a thing. (Wold be curious if anyone feels like doing the research.)

    Your words bro...not ours. Please explain how Hop or myself got your post wrong?

    "you just don't hire a guy whos never been a HC of anything to be an SEC HC. Id be willing to bet this is the first time an SEC school ever did such a thing. (would be curious if anyone feel like doing the research)"

    No research was needed as there are 4 currently in the SEC not named Joker Phillips. You swung and whiffed on that one. Might as well just own it, admit you were wrong and move on to another argument. By your own admission in that post you really had no idea what you were talking about.

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  • Mitch. Should've never did the hciw thing. When rich was hired the whole probation thing and loss of scholarships really had us hamstrung. It was a very unattractive job. After 4 consecutive bowl games this job would've been a lot more attractive. Joker should've been considered for the job but a lot of other candidates should've been considered also. I know joker had other coordinator options but he would've been our head coach any time it was offered.

    jeffries123

  • tommy said...

    I literally read this 3 times and Im still not sure i quite get what your saying?

    Are you saying that because MB gets paid a lot of money he's not allowed to be wrong? Or shouldn't be wrong? No one should be wrong but it does happen from time to time. The point (i think...not sure anymore) of this thread is that with most programs its takes longer than 2 years to know for sure.

    I swear some of y'all are bout to make me lose my Christian up in here. Lol. A while back i started a thread about how we should all put this nonsense behind us and unite and rally around the program this year. I do admit i wandered off that path with Jeffries123 but the guy came on here looking to troll and start junk. Had he started posting like his last post he probably wouldn't have gotten the same responses.

    I'm saying MB's paid a lot of money to be right & not have the on-field results go backward for two years running. I'm not saying Joker is/will be a long-term failure & MB is wrong about him, but that doesn't mean either he's right and people shouldn't be POed over what's transpired for two years (Like people weren't reacting negatively to Gillispie after two years.). And those that take this on-field backward course in stride are living in a dream world thinking other people aren't going to react negatively to it (The attendance drops should tell anyone that.). You can be POed and support the program at the same time.

    Let me know what Christian has to do with any of this.

    vhcat1970

  • vhcat1970 said...

    I'm saying MB's paid a lot of money to be right & not have the on-field results go backward for two years running. I'm not saying Joker is/will be a long-term failure & MB is wrong about him, but that doesn't mean either he's right and people shouldn't be POed over what's transpired for two years (Like people weren't reacting negatively to Gillispie after two years.). And those that take this on-field backward course in stride are living in a dream world thinking other people aren't going to react negatively to it (The attendance drops should tell anyone that.). You can be POed and support the program at the same time.

    Let me know what Christian has to do with any of this.

    Not sure how religion got injected
    Into this... But... The on field performance can not be placed souly at the feet of joker. The last 3-4 years of recruiting by brooks was awful relative to our improvement on the field. Joker should not be held responsible
    For brooks having half of
    His staff filled with non recruiters.

    hoptownukfan

  • bigbluemist said...

    Pretty sure it came around the 7 minute mark if not closer to 5.

    Now why would you post when you have no clue what you are talking about?

    Uk

    2-11

    at Uk43

    Start of 4th quarter, clock 15:00.

    Uk

    2-11

    at Uk43

    Mike Hartline pass complete to Randall Cobb for 12 yards to the UT45, 1ST DOWN UK, out-of-bounds (Waggner, P.).

    Uk

    1-10

    at Ut45

    Randall Cobb rush for 8 yards to the UT37 (Jackson, J.;Jackson, Mal.).

    Uk

    2-2

    at Ut37

    Randall Cobb pass incomplete to Tyler Robinson.

    Uk

    3-2

    at Ut37

    Mike Hartline pass incomplete to Randall Cobb.

    Uk

    4-2

    at Ut37

    Ryan Tydlacka punt 37 yards to the UT0, touchback.

    Drive: 6 plays, 31 yards, TOP 02:10

    Ut

    1-10

    at Ut20

    TENNESSEE drive start at 13:34.

    Pretty sure you might want to check things out before lookin silly.

    This post was edited by WildcatGG24 on 6/17/2012 at 12:43 PM

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  • jeffries123 said...

    Mitch. Should've never did the hciw thing. When rich was hired the whole probation thing and loss of scholarships really had us hamstrung. It was a very unattractive job. After 4 consecutive bowl games this job would've been a lot more attractive. Joker should've been considered for the job but a lot of other candidates should've been considered also. I know joker had other coordinator options but he would've been our head coach any time it was offered.

    Of course, what we don't know is how UK would have done if he had not been named head coach in waiting and had taken another job.

    That streak of five consecutive bowl games may have ended at two and as bad as many try to argue the state of the program is now, I think it could very easily have been much worse if he had left and our "streak" had ended at two.

    But, everyone seems to be oblivious that the continuity decision came when a loss of continuity by losing Joker would have been incredibly damaging to the program, moreso than losing him when Brooks retired.

    This post was edited by rompcat on 6/17/2012 at 12:44 PM

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  • The "punt" was still an awful decision regardless. We netted 17 yds. Hpotown the recruiting was down but joker has still looked lost on the sidelines. This year is make or break for joker. All the excuses will be gone. The record might not indicate the full results either due to the schedule. We should see overall improvement from joker down to the players this year.

    jeffries123

  • jeffries123 said...

    The "punt" was still an awful decision regardless. We netted 17 yds. Hpotown the recruiting was down but joker has still looked lost on the sidelines. This year is make or break for joker. All the excuses will be gone. The record might not indicate the full results either due to the schedule. We should see overall improvement from joker down to the players this year.

    No, it wasnt an awful decision. If Tydlachka had pinned UT inside the 5, you are looking at a great decision.

    Considering the Cats had a 2nd and 2 and 3rd and 2 to get the job done and couldnt gain a yard, it was a decent decision and by the book.

    The only argument I can accept in that position is that we hadnt beat Tennessee in 20+ years and that should have dictated going for it.

    In a similar situation in 2011, UK had lined up to go for it and committed a penalty.

    What the average fan in any sport doesnt realize is that the "feel" of the game for a coach can be a major help to making decisions. With the home crowd in 2011, we were going to go for it. Being on the road and having already failed on 2nd and 3rd down, we decided against it.

    WildcatGG24

  • jeffries123 said...

    The "punt" was still an awful decision regardless. We netted 17 yds. Hpotown the recruiting was down but joker has still looked lost on the sidelines. This year is make or break for joker. All the excuses will be gone. The record might not indicate the full results either due to the schedule. We should see overall improvement from joker down to the players this year.

    Looked lost? Give me a break. His team gave auburn their stiffest test of the season in their national title year. They ended streaks against spurier and ut.

    hoptownukfan

  • Well if we can't blame joker foe the state of the program then he shouldn't get credit for winning with Brooks players. Come on hop even you have to admit we've regressed since he took over. The punt was horrible period. His teams has constantly looked worse since he took over. His first year he came out hot against Louisville but due to injuries and other circumstances that team faded. The 2nd year they just looked poorly coached and a mediocre football team. This year will tell if we're going in the right direction. Everybody scores on that auburn team that year but they had cam to pull it out for them. So give me a break with your moral wins. At the end of the day a loss is a loss. I want KY to be successful just like everyone else and personally I don't Carr who the coach is as long as they win.

    jeffries123

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