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Nate87 said...
The answer is change some rules on fouls liberating guards, cut the shot clock to close to the NBA's, and lengthen the game to the pro level. People want more baskets that's the answer. I'm not overly sure that's what we as fans want though.
Of those three that I suggested, I mostly would like to see a revolution in the rule book. I think that would have the single most impact on what we see out of the college game outside of what Calipari is doing.
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Nate87 said...
The answer is change some rules on fouls liberating guards, cut the shot clock to close to the NBA's, and lengthen the game to the pro level. People want more baskets that's the answer. I'm not overly sure that's what we as fans want though.
Of those three that I suggested, I mostly would like to see a revolution in the rule book. I think that would have the single most impact on what we see out of the college game outside of what Calipari is doing.
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sleepydog said...
What rules would you be in favor of changing to make this game more productive for the players and the fans? I think there is a need for some changes but I dont know exactly which ones should or could be modified or eliminated. According to the professors data shortening the shot clock wouldnt make that much of a difference although Im not sure I agree with that. I think if the womens teams can use a 30 second clock then why cant the men. I say at least try that to see if it would speed the game up and increase scoring other than that Im just not sure what actually would work except maybe what you suggested about tweaking the rule book.
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cully26 said...
I don't think you need to revolutionize the rule book just go back to the original rules where a foul is a foul. Basketball was not designed to be a contact sport. When you let so much contact go on you ruin the pure athleticism that should give basketball its uniqueness. Watch an old game and you will not see much contact. Can you imagine the excitement if you had a game where contact was nearly gone and the athletes got to show off their stuff. I blame the officials and coaches that teach rough defense. Get back to the pureness of the game and let the athletes do their thing and it would be a totally different game to watch. Some games are just boring anymore Uks included.
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sleepydog said...
I was watching the Kansas game tonight and couldnt believe my eyes when the Jayhawks had 2 points with 6 minutes left in the 1st half. Thats right 2 points in the 1st 14 minutes of the game and 13 at the half. That began me thinking of why the scores of college basketball games seem to be so low this year. Is the overall talent that far down in the NCAA this year or is the one and done partly resposible for the talent pool being so low. I think there are a few very good teams this year but no team like UK was last year. There is a lot of parity in the NCAA this year but I just cant pin down 1 reason why the game scores are coming up in the 40s, 50s and 60s this season. If you have any ideas of why it is the way it is in the NCAA this year as far as the scoring drought goes by all means let us know what you think.
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TheProfessor said...
I believe that scoring is a matter of talent that is able to operate at levels of quickness to gain an advantage that the talent should expose. More talented teams want to pace quicker because the decision making must be quicker, and the talent will have demonstrable advantage over lesser talent that makes more mistakes when having to react and decide more quickly. Less talented teams want to slow the pace, slow the decision making, and reduce the number of scoring opportunities for its more talented opponents. As the data show, it is not so much about how much time teams use to take their shot, as the quickness of the maneuvers that they operate while doing it. What did John Wooden emphasize? Players should be quick without being fast, or something like that.
There are exceptions to this general rule of course, such as UNC's obsession with the 4-corners prior to the shot clock to shorten games once the Tarheels held a "safe" lead. They used their superior talent to gain that lead, and the four corners to secure it, regardless of the points scored. That approach forced their opponents to play defense for a vast majority of the game's minutes, and unless the defense was willing to play out on the floor to force the action, the Tarheels (Dean Smith) was perfectly content to win 4-0. But when a defense extends itself, it is more prone to mistakes, which is what Smith wanted to force. Then there were the more common examples of coaches taking the air out of the ball because they have a talent deficiency, and simply want to neutralize their opponent's superior talent.
At the other extreme, it seems there have always been a few teams with lesser talent determined to simply try to outscore anybody they played. (The Hal Mumme approach to basketball). But, the vast majority of college basketball games operate at a pace that is governed by the ability of the players to make the right decisions, and execute them at the fastest possible pace. If the pace gets too fast for a team, it will make more turnovers, and allow more open shots by its opponents.
All coaches say they want their teams to run "when we can" yet the majority of them pull back on the reigns of their teams because they realize that they don't have the talent levels to run at will. The Sutton "7 pass" rule is one demonstration of this. Some coaches choke off their own talent simply as they try to control what occurs on the playing floor, even when their talent level is superior.
All of that said, I believe that the decline in pace we may be seeing is a likely consequence of an overall watering down of talent levels in the college game. Therefore, overall, teams have to slow down the processes. I can't show any data to support my view, because if I could I would, but my perception is that these things correspond to the trends that are more societal than sports, for the kids who can play at a higher level moving to the NBA either directly out of high school or as it is now, after they pay their dues of 1 year in college purgatory. So long as the one year rule operated in a manner that the 5 to 10 kids that could make that move in one year were dispersed throughout the college game, their presence was absorbed into the college game strategies, and they could operate within that system and more on. When Calipari began to concentrate 50% of more of the annual high level talent pool onto one team, the opponents have to react by changing the game. It has become a physical war to neutralize the dominant advantage in talent. The officials have allowed to war to rage out of some sense of protecting competitive balance, e.g. the present day level playing field thing.
So long as the officials allow players to hold, push, bump (more intense that bumping), etc. the game will remain ugly, and for this fan less pleasurable to watch. I don't like that type of basketball, and I would prefer a game that I used to describe as a finesse game.
These are my personal thoughts about the state of the game that we all love.
EDIT: One last point, I believe that if a team wants to force a faster pace, it must do that with its defense, not its offense. Forcing the opponent into mistakes, by forcing quicker decision making in their offense leads to turnovers, and quick scores on your offense. Lax defense allows that weaker team to take its time in working for their shots without the quick decision making. Time per possession should decrease with more effective defensive pressure as the superior talent wins those individual battles.
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tWhit said...
Agree with all. I'm very sickened at the level of the play and think you guys have some good suggestions. The level of play in the SEC is absolutely god awful this year. Its been declining for several years now but its hit the pits this year. I can't even enjoy half the games we play just because the level of play is so horrendous.





Why do scores seem to be so low this year?