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WoW. Maryland cuts 8 varsity sports to further fund football.

  • Can't get the link, but the "Terps" have decided to cut 8 varsity sports programs in an effort to shore up their balance sheet. Ultimately, this move is believed to be an effort to further fund their football program for facilitiy upgrades and new construction. This move will provide an additional 30 million dollars back to the athletics department.

    Note- they cut MAJOR sports like men's and women's tennis as well as track and gymnasitics. I think these are the types of decisions tht AD's are gonna be faced with in effort to keep up in the "Arms Race" that is college football.

    Thoughts?

    MinterWonderlnd

  • Football and men's basketball pay for everything. Football is the key element in every college athletic program. If football isn't making it then there is no money for the other sports. I expect to see a lot more of this as economic pressures grow and force AD's to make business based decisions. UK could be there in a year if they don't pay attention.

    zcats

  • MinterWonderlnd said...

    Can't get the link, but the "Terps" have decided to cut 8 varsity sports programs in an effort to shore up their balance sheet. Ultimately, this move is believed to be an effort to further fund their football program for facilitiy upgrades and new construction. This move will provide an additional 30 million dollars back to the athletics department.

    Note- they cut MAJOR sports like men's and women's tennis as well as track and gymnasitics. I think these are the types of decisions tht AD's are gonna be faced with in effort to keep up in the "Arms Race" that is college football.

    Thoughts?

    I think that is a bold move but have to wonder how logistically it will fit in with Title IX?

    UKN533

  • A committment to winning. Having a successful football program will eventually bring back those other sports.

    "Apparently the University of Kentucky basketball dynasty is to continue forever." - Philadelphia Inquirer, December 23 1954.

    BigBlueTopper

  • UKN533 said...

    I think that is a bold move but have to wonder how logistically it will fit in with Title IX?

    Would expect that Title IX was taken into careful consideration with the decision. They are likely slashing more men's programs than women's, so that enough men's scholarships are eliminated to account for the few women's scholarships eliminated.

    Jeremy Grey

  • BigBlueTopper said...

    A committment to winning. Having a successful football program will eventually bring back those other sports.

    I agree.

    Whitaker568

  • Youl would figure mens and womens tennis would be equal on schollys and that track and gymnastics would be pretty split too if they have mens and womens programs in both sports?

    I think its short sighted, what does it really cost a university per year to have a tennis team? It can't be more than $500,000 or so can it? I could be completely wrong but still, I want to see UK doing well in everything, not cutting sports!

    QueenLizzysWild

  • How could Maryland let James Franklin get away and then hire Randy Edsel. Boneheaded move of the year by an athletic director. I've got a feeling that move is going to be trumped by Mitch failing to make a move.

    They've had a terrible first year under Edsel and I have no doubt the Terp fans have kept a close eye on the revival going on at Vandy.

    ajp40505

  • Ahh, I knew someone would bring this around to Joker. Lol

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    John O

  • QueenLizzysWildcat said...

    Youl would figure mens and womens tennis would be equal on schollys and that track and gymnastics would be pretty split too if they have mens and womens programs in both sports?

    I think its short sighted, what does it really cost a university per year to have a tennis team? It can't be more than $500,000 or so can it? I could be completely wrong but still, I want to see UK doing well in everything, not cutting sports!

    There is no mens gymnastics team, but I'm sure they balanced the cuts to comply with title IX.

    As far as costs, our tennis facility is worth several million dollars, and we're getting ready to put a couple of million more into it I believe. I would be all for UK making similar cuts in order to fund football more. They claim that they won't do it because "it's all about the student athlete", which I find to be bogus. If that were the case, then there wouldn't be multi-million television deals, shoe contracts, and required donations for seats. Intramurals are all about the student athlete, Div 1 NCAA sports are all about the dollar.

    80 Proof

  • Great move by maryland, imo. If you want to commit yourself to non-revenue sports, fine. But only if you've taken care of football and men's basketball first.

    Beavis13

  • Love the fact that Men's Lacrosse was kept. I know they are a traditional power but my son plays and it is a great sport

    Jlrge

  • ajp40505 said...

    How could Maryland let James Franklin get away and then hire Randy Edsel?

    Great question, although I'd like to see a bit more of Franklin before totally jumping on that party train. Guy was 2-6 in the SEC, and we're talking about him like he's Bear Bryant. :)

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  • Jeff Drummond said...

    Great question, although I'd like to see a bit more of Franklin before totally jumping on that party train. Guy was 2-6 in the SEC, and we're talking about him like he's Bear Bryant. :)

    You're right, JDrum, but Franklin was at Maryland and was the HCIW under Ralph Fregien (sp?) and Franklin took the Vandy job before they axed Fregien.

    Plus, you have to admit that Franklin has done an amazing job at Vandy and on the recruiting trail so far.

    ajp40505

  • QueenLizzysWildcat said...
    It can't be more than $500,000 or so can it?

    That sounds like a lot of money to me, but maybe you drive a solid gold rocket car. crackwhip

    BlueGhost

  • I say cut the entire athletic dept outside of any sport that can maintain itself on a regular basis. Shouldn't we be teaching kids about business and how it works in college?

    I know, that's funny, of course we're not. We teach them about music from 800BC. that's the important stuff...that and communism.

    jamccain

  • BlueGhost said...

    That sounds like a lot of money to me, but maybe you drive a solid gold rocket car. crackwhip

    I drive a Chinese fake Honda copy 110cc motorbike which cost me a 150 bucks :P

    For a university though, tuition is what? $30,000? Thats the money of 17 kids for a tennis program and I'm sure it brings in some money from attendance and things like that for itself?

    Something like Soccer, Mens/Womens where you would have probably (im guessing) 25 scholarships and etc might be worth cutting, isn't tennis one of our better performing programs? I personally wouldnt cut anything but if I had to it wouldnt be tennis....

    QueenLizzysWild

  • Cut anything that can't fund itself and do away with the socialist concept of college sports. If you can't fund your own sport then be gone!

    Sure if we are competing in something I want uk to win and be the best but not at the detriment of the primary sports.

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    cobbycobb

  • Running a sport at the D1 level is incredibly expensive. It's not only about scholarships. Take UK Men's Soccer for example:

    24 Players that divide a little over nine scholarships. Doesn't sound like a lot but you also have to add...

    - 3 Full time coaches, salary + benefits
    - 2 Graduate Assistants
    - 24 sets of practice gear(sweatsuits, warm ups, tennis shoes, ect.)
    - 24 sets of equipment (cleats, shin gaurds, gym bags, ect.)
    - 48 sets of uniforms (Home and Road)
    - 2 Trainers
    - Health Insurance for the entire team
    - Travel for thirty on road trips. Hotel, Air Fare, Ground Transportation. This season that includes a trip to San Francisco.
    - Food for thirty on road trips
    - Training table for 24
    - International Recruiting budget. There are players from Mexico, Brazil, and England on the roster

    Add in the fact that they have to play in Conference USA which means a wider travel range for road games than if the SEC competed in Men's Soccer.

    Actually, that's the big thing for me. UK has an athletic portfolio of 21 sports. The SEC competes in 18. Men's soccer isn't part of the SEC profile and to me it doesn't make sense to keep it as a varsity sport in UK's case.

    Now admittedly, UK isn't exactly Little Sisters of the Poor. According to the Sports Business Journal UK has an athletic budget of $83 Million in FY 2012. That's well inside the top twenty. Maryland is about $21 Million behind UK. In fact, UK would have the largest budget of the entire ACC.

    Here's some perspective...using FY2012 numbers UK's budget would be/is...

    Tops in the ACC and Big East
    Third in the Big 12...11...10...9...?
    Fourth in the Pac-12
    Fifth in the Big 10
    Seventh in the SEC

    My point is if you downgrade Men's Soccer to a club sport with UK's budget there's absolutely zero excuse to avoid investing in more money in the football program. Especially when the TV Deals and bowl tie ins are going to grow now that the conference has grown by two members.

    Athletic budgets continue to climb - SportsBusiness Daily | SportsBusiness Journal

    Everyone in college sports is calling for cost control and lower spending, but new data shows schools spending more than ever. A majority of schools have increased their budgets by double-digit percentages from fiscal years 2010 to 2012, according to information obtained by SportsBusiness Journal fr

    www.sportsbusinessdaily.com

    fylm

  • If you go by that logic, there's no reason to invest in ANY sport except for football and basketball, but even for those sports only at select institutions. Budget hits are going to cut a lot of things that are important, and I for one think it's important for UK to have a mens' soccer team. However, if it comes to it football and basketball are the only things that really matter because they're what makes it all run.

    BlueGhost

  • cobbycobb said...

    Cut anything that can't fund itself and do away with the socialist concept of college sports. If you can't fund your own sport then be gone!

    Sure if we are competing in something I want uk to win and be the best but not at the detriment of the primary sports.

    So you would have UK competing in Mens BBall and Football and nothing else? That'll be a turn off for students, especially out of state, it will give people less events to go to and none of them unique, it will do away with many Americans beloved baseball, it will give the likes of the campus newspapers and local news much less to cover and therefore less exposure for the university, even minor teams like rifle get covered to some degree.

    It's just incredibly short sighted; my degree is in Sports Journalism, one of the big reasons for choosing it in my decision was that it had an incredible range of sports I might get the chance to cover while I was there. Coming from the UK I had no idea how big UK basketball is or what SEC football is all about, but I saw things like rifle and volleyball and diving and thought now isnt that cool! Should we do away with all the departments at the university who dont bring in enough tuition money to break even?

    It's an institution of higher learning, not a pro team. I know we all want more money to be invested in UK football but I think killing other sports would absolutely be the wrong way to go about it!

    QueenLizzysWild

  • Local papers rarely ever cover the smaller sports and most students ignore them too.

    If a university has a department that isn't making enough revenue then yes they should be cut too. Good business says you don't keep dead weight, non performing departments or people.

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  • I'm with cobbycobb. I also majored in journalism at UK and covered UK sports for 15 years. Aside from basketball and football, the only other games I went to were baseball games. Maybe 5 of them, total. Btw, QLW, could you point me to the volleyball, soccer, tennis and track & field boards?

    Beavis13

  • Jeff Drummond said...

    Great question, although I'd like to see a bit more of Franklin before totally jumping on that party train. Guy was 2-6 in the SEC, and we're talking about him like he's Bear Bryant. :)

    I was looking on youtube after Vandy lost to Tennessee and listened to James Franklin and have to say he is a very impressive coach I can see why kids want to play for him and if you take the time to find the youtube press conference after that loss you will see what I mean.

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