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Jeff Drummond said...
You don't make four Final Fours without being one of the Top 20 coaches IMHO. How many guys can say that? And three at different schools. Only he Pitino can claim that, right?
Who would you list on your Top 20? Maybe going through that exercise may reveal a higher spot for Cal than you originally thought.
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I love Woody. If he means 20 all time he's correct. His coaching decision at Memphis to not foul cost them a championship. Basically stopping our offense in the 2nd half almost cost him one at UK. Greatest recruiter of all time. One of the top 2 or 3 managers of talent and ego of all time. x's and o's not sure he's even top 50 or 100 of all time. If he's talking x's and o's I wouldn't put Cal in my top 20 even of active coaches.
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tWhit said...
I see it all together. Recruiting, managing talent, and x's and o's all constitute coaching. You have to look at the total package not just one aspect of it. Cal is as good of a coach as there is right now. He's been to back to back final fours and has a national championship. And over the past 7-10 years he might have won more games than anybody. I'm not sure on that. I know he's had a ridiculous amount of 30+ win seasons.
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I think his superior recruiting of superior talent covers up a lot of his coaching skill. Let's not also forget the '10 team he allowed to chuck up brick after brick instead of pumping it inside to Cuz against WVU. Everyone watching was screaming to get it down low and stop shooting 3's. That bad call might have very well cost us the ship in 10. And you might be right about maybe Cal being higher if I actually sat down to pick my top 20. Off the top of my head better x's and o's coaches than Cal: Izzo, Self, Pitino, Roy, K, Matta, Tubby, Crean, Ryan, Donovan, Boeheim, Barnes, Martin, Huggins, Calhoun, Wright, Fischer, and I'm sure there's more. That's 17 though. Pretty close to 20 and that's just off the top of my head.
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I think his superior recruiting of superior talent covers up a lot of his coaching skill. Let's not also forget the '10 team he allowed to chuck up brick after brick instead of pumping it inside to Cuz against WVU. Everyone watching was screaming to get it down low and stop shooting 3's. That bad call might have very well cost us the ship in 10. And you might be right about maybe Cal being higher if I actually sat down to pick my top 20. Off the top of my head better x's and o's coaches than Cal: Izzo, Self, Pitino, Roy, K, Matta, Tubby, Crean, Ryan, Donovan, Boeheim, Barnes, Martin, Huggins, Calhoun, Wright, Fischer, and I'm sure there's more. That's 17 though. Pretty close to 20 and that's just off the top of my head.
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I think his superior recruiting of superior talent covers up a lot of his coaching skill. Let's not also forget the '10 team he allowed to chuck up brick after brick instead of pumping it inside to Cuz against WVU. Everyone watching was screaming to get it down low and stop shooting 3's. That bad call might have very well cost us the ship in 10. And you might be right about maybe Cal being higher if I actually sat down to pick my top 20. Off the top of my head better x's and o's coaches than Cal: Izzo, Self, Pitino, Roy, K, Matta, Tubby, Crean, Ryan, Donovan, Boeheim, Barnes, Martin, Huggins, Calhoun, Wright, Fischer, and I'm sure there's more. That's 17 though. Pretty close to 20 and that's just off the top of my head.
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Whitaker568 said...
Sorry Carl but 100% disagree! You don't take UMass to the FF(beat that 96 UK team earlier that season), Memphis(was the Runner Up that season) and UK(2-FF & a NC...in Three seasons) without being a Outstanding X's & O's coach!
You would put Matta? Tubby? Crean? Barnes? Wright? Fischer? Ryan? Huggins? ahead of Cal???? LOL dude please pass that thing around the room. Cal's .770 > Huggins .727
Cal is easily a top 20 Coach, Easily!
Cal - .770 Izzo - .710 Self - .752 Boeheim - .745 Roy - .760 Calhoun - .725 Pitino - .710 Donovan - .710 Krzyzewski- .788 Matta - .773 Crean - .589 Tubby - .701 Barnes - .719
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Yeah. As far as as x's and o's goes I put all of them ahead of Cal. And you take UMass to the final 4 if Camby is on your team lol You have to be an above average coach just to get a D-1 gig. I'm not saying he's a terrible x's and o's coach. I'm saying there are a lot of coaches that are better than him in this particular aspect of coaching. And I'm saying what Woody said isn't at all as crazy as some were saying. Although he does probably have sour grapes being that he's a Memphis guy.
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I think his superior recruiting of superior talent covers up a lot of his coaching skill. Let's not also forget the '10 team he allowed to chuck up brick after brick instead of pumping it inside to Cuz against WVU. Everyone watching was screaming to get it down low and stop shooting 3's. That bad call might have very well cost us the ship in 10. And you might be right about maybe Cal being higher if I actually sat down to pick my top 20. Off the top of my head better x's and o's coaches than Cal: Izzo, Self, Pitino, Roy, K, Matta, Tubby, Crean, Ryan, Donovan, Boeheim, Barnes, Martin, Huggins, Calhoun, Wright, Fischer, and I'm sure there's more. That's 17 though. Pretty close to 20 and that's just off the top of my head.
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Jeff Drummond said...
Any coach in the country has a game or two you can point to and say "What was he thinking?" The WVU loss was tough to swallow, but RoyW has his, Izzo has his, K has his.... on and on and on.
I judge guys by their track record over time, and Cal's teams are almost always among the nation's best on offense AND defense. (Especially defense.) That's coaching.
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CarlLexington said...
I love Woody. If he means 20 all time he's correct. His coaching decision at Memphis to not foul cost them a championship. Basically stopping our offense in the 2nd half almost cost him one at UK. Greatest recruiter of all time. One of the top 2 or 3 managers of talent and ego of all time. x's and o's not sure he's even top 50 or 100 of all time. If he's talking x's and o's I wouldn't put Cal in my top 20 even of active coaches.
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