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mr289 said...
Florida said they had all the information they needed to stop elston turner. Their players said after the game that all you gotta do is force him left, which they did, and he can't get his shot off. They held him to 4 points!!! I believe someone on here said during the A&M game that we needed to force him left and got ripped for saying it; who was that guy who said that on here?!
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Matt May said...
Calipari told his players the same thing and they just didn't do it. Comment from Ryan Harrow after the game:
“We had talked about, for a couple of days now, Coach was telling us if he’s driving right, that means he’s going to pull up. If he’s going left, that means he’s going to step back and if he’s facing up, you know he’s going to try to do a crossover, but he’s never going to go to the hole. So we needed to put pressure on him, but he was just knocking down shots today. I don’t believe he went to the hole once. We just didn’t do what we were supposed to do on him.”
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mr289 said...
thanks for that info Matt I had not seen that. This is exactly the kind of stuff that drives me crazy with this team. If Cal knew all this ahead of time and told them to force him left, and they don't do it, then it just drives me insane. In all honesty Matt, is it that a lot of these players have a low basketball IQ, is it youth/inexperience, or do some of these players just have an issue with listening to Coach Cal? I tend to believe that it is the IQ thing with some of them, but I just get the feeling that some of them have a real issue with Cal, Goodwin in particular. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Matt May said...
I think as the other poster mentioned a lot of it is just youth and inexperience. They don't understand how important it is to pay attention to detail. They've never had to in the past because they were by far the best players on the floor a year ago playing South Jefferson High School (or whatever no name high school). Now, if you're a second behind doing what you're supposed to, you're beat. Players at this level are too good. And unlike high school, when a dude gets rolling at this level he isn't going to cool off.
But I also think this team lacks a guy - or three - that will cut your nads off to win like Cal's other teams have had. (Cousins/Wall/Bledsoe; Knight/Liggins; MKG/Davis). Maybe Noel gets to that point. Maybe Goodwin. But right now I don't see that with this group.
This post was edited by sleepydog on 1/19/2013 at 2:29 PM
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UKlaw82 said...
Yeah, last year was a wash.
I know, we had some other players too but its sounds childish to keep saying you can't recruit one and dones and win. YOU CAN. But surely you didn't expect EVERY group to catch on like AD and MKG, can you? If you are upset with the system now, you are two face, you can't have it both ways. Myself, I will live with 3 ups and a NC and one down season plus I do believe that the Harrison twins are way smarter in basketball IQ then what we are seeing this year.
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Atomicdog71 said...
How do you recruit the "best of the best", yet still expect them to stick around for 2 or 3 years? Does that mean you pass on better players just so you can have some "stick around" type guys? I think you fill every scholarship you have with the best talent you possibly can, whether they elect to stay or not. JMHO.
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mr289 said...
what is wrong with recruiting a guy or two that will come off the bench and stay at the school for two or three years? There is nothing wrong with having one or two in each class that will stick around. why is that so absurd? And I certainly do not think that makes him a two face. None of us have said we are upset with what Cal has done, I love that he is getting this top talent, but you have to realize every year so far Cal has had some form of upperclassmen leadership for his amazing recruits to feed off of. In light of that it makes perfect sense to get a guy or two who would be expected to hang around a while. Nothing wrong with that theory at all.
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UKlaw82 said...
For one, unless its someone from the state of Kentucky like Hood & Willis, its ain't happening. No four star player will come here to sit for four years, can I bring up Mr Poole as my example. Kids today who feel they are good enough to play will not sit back and watch. They want to play now. The two face statement comes from those who loved the first three years and are saying now that it doesn't work, didn't have anything to do with recruits. But I have asked you before, WHERE are all of these great bench players coming from? You have no answers.
This post was edited by mr289 on 1/19/2013 at 10:33 PM
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UKlaw82 said...
For one, unless its someone from the state of Kentucky like Hood & Willis, its ain't happening. No four star player will come here to sit for four years, can I bring up Mr Poole as my example. Kids today who feel they are good enough to play will not sit back and watch. They want to play now. The two face statement comes from those who loved the first three years and are saying now that it doesn't work, didn't have anything to do with recruits. But I have asked you before, WHERE are all of these great bench players coming from? You have no answers.
This post was edited by mr289 on 1/19/2013 at 10:39 PM
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mr289 said...
thats fine, have your own opinion, but if you don't find some guys, at least one or two every 2-3 yrs, WHERE do you get your leadership from? I have never said it would be an easy task to perform, but with Cal's recruiting magic I believe he could do it. And that is just MY honest opinion. I am only saying that getting a completely new team of freshmen every year you are always getting a box of chocolate and never know what your gonna get. I am not saying that the whole thing absolutely cannot be won by a freshman team, but I think history shows pretty well that it is just not gonna happen very often. I have asked you before WHERE the leadership is gonna come from and you have no answers either.
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UKlaw82 said...
Yeah, last year was a wash.
I know, we had some other players too but its sounds childish to keep saying you can't recruit one and dones and win. YOU CAN. But surely you didn't expect EVERY group to catch on like AD and MKG, can you? If you are upset with the system now, you are two face, you can't have it both ways. Myself, I will live with 3 ups and a NC and one down season plus I do believe that the Harrison twins are way smarter in basketball IQ then what we are seeing this year.
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UKlaw82 said...
I agree, the Wall team showed us that in the tourney, one bad game and you go home. Honestly without arguing any further, leadership will have to come mainly from freshmen who have MKG's personality. It will be tough because that kind of a player doesn't come around that often. The other choice could come from those who stay, there maybe one or two that stay over but I think by the end of the season there will only be KW that stays. Transfers could be an answer to, even though Mays is not a vocal leader I think he has had a positive influence on the younger guys. So as long as CAL takes players that are almost #1 at each of their positions it will be hard to recruit 8-9 guys who are very talented who would be willing to share minutes
This post was edited by mr289 on 1/20/2013 at 7:45 PM
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zcats said...
What is wrong with you? If you are going to criticize someone's post at least read it. I never said that recruiting one and done players can't work. Last year we did not have just a team of one and done players, we had 3 returning starters in Jones and Lamb as sophs and Miller, a senior. The current team has less experience than any of Cal's teams at UK and it shows. For all the one and done interest it is very often the veterans who carry these teams through the tournament. UK has been extraordinarily lucky not to have injuries, particularly last year. The point was that we don't need to have an empty bench to have a 6 or 7 man rotation.
The argument that recruiting some good players will prevent us from recruiting great players makes no sense to me. I don't see how having a 4 star guard and forward on the team would limit recruiting in any way and it would give the team more options and some insurance against losing a whole season because of injury or attitude/recruiting misses. The argument that you couldn't get good players to come to UK with all the one and done talent also doesn't make sense. I think a lot of kids would love to come to UK and play less minutes up front with the hope to develop into a better player. There are also the selling points of hanging around with a bunch of future NBA players, music stars, great coaches, great living facilities, the chance to play in really big games, girls and a free education. You can do that or be a starter at some nondescript college program that may not win a tournament game during your career. Just my take.
As a lawyer (I assume you are since you cleverly put that into your screen name) I would think you could express yourself without being such a turd. Calling people "childish" and "two face" (shouldn't that be "two faced"?) is a little over the top counselor.




did you see florida's comments on turner