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smitty620 said...
this team and show the new recruits that we are behind this program. we got a great start on next year and to keep them comitted we can help by being positive. no doubt some victorys will help that too. if the fan base falls off and is negative what do you think our committs would do? I believe what we say and do can affect that. i will be there to support.
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Catmando said...
I agree completely, but the fanbase, and comitts will only fall off if wecontinue to lose. It's not on the fans to win, and never has been. It's up to the coaches and the players.
Despite what some may say about the benefits/detriments of fans, anyone who has played competitive sports knows that they have to be able to get motivated to play their hardest with or without fan support. It's always been that way, and if they cannot, then they are not competitive enough people and do not deserve an SEC scholarship. I'm tired of hearing fans blaming fans for UK's lack of competitiveness.
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tWhit said...
You're tired of it because you're one of the fans that doesn't get behind the team. You have to see wins first which really isn't what being a fan is about. Its about every year getting pumped and behind the team for a new season. I'm not saying blindly follow but outwardly show support. The guys need that support regardless of what you say. Its very easy to be a fan to begin with. All we have to do is use a little sense on message boards, watch games, or scream and yell for the home team at games. Pretty easy. We don't have to sweat or get up @5am in the morning. We don't have to push our bodies past the point of exhaustion. The players just want support for all the hard they put in to bring us a product on the field. Yell at the coaches all you want. But don't do it to players especially not at the college level.
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Catmando said...
Oh Really? You know me so well do you? If I “had to have wins” before I was a fan, I probably wouldn’t have been cheering for UK football for the past 30+ years, or had season tickets for the last 10. You do realize they haven’t exactly had too many winning seasons in my lifetime don’t you? I don’t know how old you are, but some of us have gone through heartbreak after heartbreak after heartbreak for our entire lives watching UK football. Believe it or not, most of us get tired of seeing the same old results after a while. To me, someone who gets overly excited and continues to buy into pre-season hype every season regardlessof the results, doesn’t make them a good fan. It makes them a sap.
Now, if being a “fan” means ignoring the bad, holding hands and singing kumbaya, crossing your fingers and hoping really, really, hard that UK is good, you’re right about me . By that definition, I guess I‘m not a fan. Personally though, I choose to dwell in a land called reality, even if that reality sucks, rather than exist in a fantasy land.
Now from your definition, it might not take much effort to be a fan, other than having message board pep rallies, but what I do as a fan takes a little more energy/effort. I get nervous the night before gameday, pace around the room screaming at the t.v during away games, jump up and down and give high fives to those that sit by me in the stands when something good happens, scream and cuss at the top of my lungs when something bad happens. And when things are not right, I point them out and talk about them, rather than ignore the elephant in the room. What I don’t do is continuously make excuses for poor results like many of you on here.
You see, the thing is, what happens when you ignore the bad and “pump sunshine” for a lack of a better phrase, you set up a false sense of hope/security, and a distorted view of reality, which actually leads to an even greater amount of heartbreak when success is not reached. You also allow for things to continue going as they are, because you are refusing to identify the problem, and problems cannot be resolved until you admit you have one. It’s simple math.
That’s ok though T whit. You go on telling yourself that everyone who doesn’t think and act just like you really isn’t a UK fan. I just hope for your sake, the program finally does turn around, otherwise overly optimistic people like you, will have your hopes dashed so many times, that you’ll start changing your tune, and end up sounding like your hated “LOD” For me, I just want, for ther first time in my life, to believe the program I have spent my life cheering for, is actually making the appropriate effort to be competitive. Personally, as a true lifelong fan, I don’t think that’s too much to ask.
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Catmando said...
So your post reflected what you think you remember that I've posted in the past, rather than adressing the actual post you quoted? My guess is, you are recalling Hoptown's accusations against me, more than you are recalling muy actual post.
Whatever the case, If you are going to call me out, know what you are talking about. Otherwise, STFU, and I mean that as politely as it can be taken. All you "sunshine pumpers," or whatever you want to call yourselves, can kiss my butt. I'm as big of a UK fan as there has ever been, so screw off!
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Catmando said...
. It's not on the fans to win, and never has been. It's up to the coaches and the players.
Despite what some may say about the benefits/detriments of fans, anyone who has played competitive sports knows that they have to be able to get motivated to play their hardest with or without fan support. It's always been that way, and if they cannot, then they are not competitive enough people and do not deserve an SEC scholarship. I'm tired of hearing fans blaming fans for UK's lack of competitiveness.
You also allow for things to continue going as they are, because you are refusing to identify the problem, and problems cannot be resolved until you admit you have one. It’s simple math.
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Catmando said...
My attitude wasn't negative in my original post. It was realistic. The op actually brought the negative when he insinuated that it would be the fans fault if recruits decomitted. I was just responding to what he wrote, and think I had a pretty valid pont.
Whatever the case, being overly positive for the sake of being positive isn't any more productive than being negative for the sake of being negative. Both realms are unthruths. I didn't get negative until I was accused of not being a fan by one of the crew who always single me out and, and call me LOD.
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nbtoppers2 said...
well posts made by you and others(of course you don't consider yourself LOD) don't help. it doesn't matter if you disagree. recruits read this board. in fact, we've had recruits join the board to post about how they loved the coaches and facilities and the people of your kind(and some of the "sunshine" guys) are driving away members of this site.
if you see a topic about supporting the team and program. post support not passive-aggressive pseudo-compliments.
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I agree, but accusing people of not being fans also derails things. I got no problems with anybody, and am perfectly willing to debate and disagree, but it's at least annoying when people trash oneanother instead of debating.
War, I got your back and know you got mine too. It's all good
This post was edited by tWhit on 7/16/2012 at 11:36 PM
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its time to support