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"missing" UK championships

  • Pretty awesome discussion by some people a lot smarter than me.....this is why I love Cats Pause! Thank you.

    PatWren

  • TheProfessor said...

    Mike,

    The way my mind words is I develop a sense of the discussion as I read along, and in this case, the sense was a suggestion that UK chooses to ignore the Helms Championship and the NIT championships. However, I probably should not have quoted your post in my post, and did so only because it was the most recent in a string of posts by more than one person contributing to the impression I had developed.

    I have no problem with your points that the 1933 team (and the 1954 team) were designated by the Helms foundation as the national champions in those years. I also have no problem with anyone who wants to promote the significance of those early NIT championships. I believe that all UK fans know these details, and the University puts them up front in their media guide and other places.

    Those are as legitimate national championships to me as the "mythical" national champions crowned each year by the polls for college football, or the national championship that UK Football likes to claim for 1950. In college basketball, since the late 1930s to the present, the sport has elected to designate its annual champion by on the court victories at the end of the year in a post season tournament. Many years, the #1 ranked team at the end does not win that tournament. Yet, nearly everyone concedes that team X was still the best team that season, but that it simply fell short in a tournament that is so difficult to remain standing.

    Should we also hang banners in Rupp for those years, e.g. 1966, 1970, 1975, and so forth?

    I think not. I believe the Banners in Rupp are fine as they are, even though all UK fans understand that those banners are not the full definition of this program's achievements.

    I appreciate your comments, Professor. Of course, there are banners in Rupp for the Final Four teams (including 1966, 1975), but not because they had been voted #1 during the season. Winning it on the court is certainly better, hence the BCS in football.

    I think it is ironic that the 1942 Final Four team only had to win one game to make the Final Four, while the 1946 NIT champion won three games. The 1942 team barely beat Illinois 46-44, then lost rather handily to Dartmouth 47-28, who in turn lost big to Stanford 53-35. Go figure???

    In closing, I'd love to see banners somewhere in Rupp recognizing some of these past achievements. How about one for the 1954 25-0 team (that got slammed by the NCAA). How about one for the 1948 Olympic players and coach Rupp (it could have the Olympic rings along with their names). When has there been an Olympic team that included a whole college team and it's coach? Of course, I would like the Helms (if it is the only national championship for that year) recognized somewhere in Rupp and not simply mentioned in a media guide or whatever.

    And so when UK fans scream for national championship #9, I can't help but say to myself, "I want #11!"

    Thanks again. I have appreciated your interaction.

    Mike_D194661