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Another classic example for why Brandon Phillips...

  • That was a perfectly legit question, though. The Milwaukee guy hits Pujols (which, yes, is horrible for the Cards) but it was due to the guy not having any control. It wasn't intentional. They're not trying to drill Pujols. That could have easily cost them the game.

    But STL comes back with their hardest throwing RP and hits Braun intentionally in the back... AND tried to do it twice.

    So LaRussa gets all redass and turns the argument on the reporter while lying through his teeth about not intending to hit Braun.

    Like I said earlier, I understand it's part of baseball, but it's part of baseball when guys TRY to hit your guys. Not in this situation. And if it happens, you just say "Talk to the pitcher" or "That's baseball." You don't chastise a reporter for a perfectly legitimate question.

    Did I mention I hate TLR? biggrin It's little wonder he and RMK are friends. The they're two chips off the same block.

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  • What in the hell was Tony La Russa thinking last night? | HardballTalk

    The highlights from last night's Cardinals-Brewers game are probably focusing on the Yadier Molina argument and ejection, but there was something far more interesting going on here. Albert Pujols was hit by a pitch in the seventh inning.

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  • BigBlue4Life said...

    over crap that the reds caused a year ago

    >>>>> By the way, that series begins exactly one year after the Reds and Cardinals brawled in Cincinnati, a brouhaha incited by Cincinnati's Brandon Phillips, whose provocative comments were, deep down, rooted in La Russa and his club's penchant for complaining. <<<<<

    Once again, it's Tony La Russa vs. everyone else in the NL Central - Daily Pitch: MLB News, Standings, Schedules & More - USATODAY.com

    Once again, it's Tony La Russa vs. everyone else in the NL Central - Daily Pitch: MLB News, Standings, Schedules & More - USATODAY.com

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  • >>>>> As you might have expected without even seeing a highlight, it was Tony La Russa who conducted the bitch session atop his prize-winning high horse, citing the danger of the area in which his star player had been struck by a heartless baseball. But his finest menstruating moment of the week actually came Monday night following a 6-2 loss at Miller Park. La Russa and his band of meticulous misfits filed a complaint with umpire chief Gary Darling over LED board issues. Only the Cardinals. <<<<<

    The Cardinals and Tony La Russa Continue to Redefine “Insufferable” | The Big Lead

    Tony La Russa's latest gripe? The LED board at Miller Park.

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  • St. Louis Cardinals: Tony La Russa Creating a Culture of Complaining | Bleacher Report

    Remember the movie Wedding Crashers ? Vince Vaughn, Owen Wilson…heck John McCain had a cameo. Remember rule number 76 of crashing? “ No Excuses. Play Like a Champion ...

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  • I still think its a dumb question. They tried to get Pujols uncomfortable at the plate and ended up hitting him. Yes it was on purpose. The pitch was to send a message one way or another and it hit Pujols. Cards hit him back. Dumb question. Everyone knows the answer.

    BTW, I think whats lost is why LaRussa got pissed. He got pissed because the big deal was made about them hitting Braun and no big deal about Brew Crew hitting Pujols. I think that is the reason he got pissed.

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  • A short history of Tony La Russa's complaints | August

    Here's some breaking news: Tony La Russa likes to complain. A lot.

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  • WildcatGG24 said...

    I still think its a dumb question. They tried to get Pujols uncomfortable at the plate and ended up hitting him. Yes it was on purpose. The pitch was to send a message one way or another and it hit Pujols. Cards hit him back. Dumb question. Everyone knows the answer.

    BTW, I think whats lost is why LaRussa got pissed. He got pissed because the big deal was made about them hitting Braun and no big deal about Brew Crew hitting Pujols. I think that is the reason he got pissed.

    I understand he's upset at Pujols getting hit and wants to protect his guys, but he should know they were two different things. That guy wasn't trying to hit Pujols. You don't get inact "justice" because a guy lost control of a pitch. Reading about Saito today, he's hardly ever hit anyone. One HBP in 2+ years. He's the last guy who's trying to do that, especially when it forces the winning run to 2nd base.

    The Cards did the EXACT same thing vs. the Reds back in June. They chirped at Coco Cordero from the dugout for hitting Pujols in the 9th inning, which could have cost the Reds the game.

    But LaRussa invented the game of baseball and it's code of conduct, so in his mind, he can go intentionally (and dangerously) throw at Ryan Braun. It's ridiculous.

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  • WildcatGG24 said...

    BTW, I think whats lost is why LaRussa got pissed. He got pissed because the big deal was made about them hitting Braun and no big deal about Brew Crew hitting Pujols. I think that is the reason he got pissed.

    LOL, because the brewers clearly didn't do it intentionally and larusa did. . . And he did it to put his team in a bad spot to lose an important game. . . It was a stupid decision. . . If you wanna get payback, wait till Braun comes to bat for the first time in the next game or when the situation isn't that important. . . It's Larusas unjustified arrogance that everyone hates. . .

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  • Jeff Drummond said...

    The Cards did the EXACT same thing vs. the Reds back in June. They chirped at Coco Cordero from the dugout for hitting Pujols in the 9th inning, which could have cost the Reds the game.

    But LaRussa invented the game of baseball and it's code of conduct, so in his mind, he can go intentionally (and dangerously) throw at Ryan Braun. It's ridiculous.

    agreed. . .

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  • From one of the above links: (HAMMER ---> NAILHEAD)

    1) Albert Pujols is probably the best right-handed hitter ever, and there’s no way to beat him without pitching inside.

    2) There were already two runners on base with nobody out.

    3) Two of the top-10 batters in the National League were due up next in Matt Holliday and Lance Berkman.

    Regardless, Tony La Russa decided to “send a message” and throw at Ryan Braun in the bottom half of the seventh. When pitcher Jason Motte’s first pitch missed its target, La Russa had him send another message, and actually hit him. What was he trying to accomplish? Did he actually think that the Brewers were deliberately trying to hit a batter to load the bases for Matt Holliday with zero outs?! Naturally, this was just La Russa’s way of complaining, as if to say “how dare you pitch my superstar in such a way that he occasionally looks human!” La Russa wants different rules for his players than for others.

    This post was edited by Jeff Drummond on 8/4/2011 at 2:01 AM

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  • 1st and 3rd with a guy like Pujols up basically equates as base open. Big risk to pitch to him, reward would be a dp ball. Most everyone would take their chances with the next big bopper in the lineup, as good as they are, still no Pujols.

    A great way to get Pujols out is hammer inside, and im talking way in. The dude meant to throw it off the plate and in...you said it yourself he doesnt hit guys. As a baseball player the brewers pitcher had a win-win situation...get Albert to chase something inside and jam him into a dp, or throw enough inside to walk/hit him to get to next batter. Pretty simple.

    And I like the Brewers more than the cards, for the record.

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  • And all this crap about puts the winning or tying run on 2nd is BS..dudes score from 1st on doubles in the league..Albert is in scoring position when he steps to the plate.

    I get the argument about not wanting to put so and so run in "scoring position"...but we are dealing with Pujols and thats where I have to make exceptions.

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  • WildcatGG24 said...

    1st and 3rd with a guy like Pujols up basically equates as base open.

    No way. In a tie game with no outs??? Not only do you put 2 RISP, but you have Holliday and Berkman coming up. That's basically begging for the Cards to open up a huge lead.

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  • Jeff Drummond said...

    No way. In a tie game with no outs??? Not only do you put 2 RISP, but you have Holliday and Berkman coming up. That's basically begging for the Cards to open up a huge lead.

    2 fly balls to right basically equals 2 runs. . .

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  • One big fly from Pujols equals 3.

    Holliday hits into a dp, and then an gb ended the inning. .

    You guys are taking this stuff strictly by the book approach and its poopoo baseball wise. Pitcher had nothing to lose pitching inside..he either gets a jam job gb or hbp. Hbp loads the bases sure, but Pujols hits 2 in with a double anyways. As an infielder you like bases loaded better than 1st & 3rd anyways..forces everywhere...takes the steal out of play to where 1b doesnt have to hold runner on, middle inf isnt worried about pinching toward 2nd for the steal...corners can go with the ball, 4 then 1 or turn two the 5-4-3or 3-6-1/3 way..middle can play medium depth and gun the runner out at home or roll it up the middle.

    If this wasnt Pujols then I agree with yall..but its Pujols....and I dont think he hit Pujols on purpose purpose...but I do believe he threw it way way inside with no worries of hitting him if he did.

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  • Jeff Drummond said...

    >>>>>As you might have expected without even seeing a highlight, it was Tony La Russa who conducted the bitch session atop his prize-winning high horse, citing the danger of the area in which his star player had been struck by a heartless baseball. But his finest menstruating moment of the week actually came Monday night following a 6-2 loss at Miller Park. La Russa and his band of meticulous misfits filed a complaint with umpire chief Gary Darling over LED board issues. Only the Cardinals.<<<<<

    Wow that snippet sounds like it's coming from an unbiased journalist doesn't it.

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  • As I said clearly a long time ago. Go ahead and pitch him inside... but ya better hit your mark because if you hit Pujols or any of our players we're gonna hit you. And you're full of shit calling that Braun pop dangerous. It wasn't even close to his head. It was in the middle of the back. Far less dangerous than Saito's intentional high and tight pitch.

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  • Jeff Drummond said...

    The Cards did the EXACT same thing vs. the Reds back in June. They chirped at Coco Cordero from the dugout for hitting Pujols in the 9th inning, which could have cost the Reds the game.

    Yet another example of something YOU GUYS started and then cry and whine and complain about the cards responding to it. The cards should get a mascot and bring him with them to cincy next time. He can use one of those big slingshots to shoot tampons, tissues, and a deal on joining oprahs book club into the stands. Damn you are some whiners.

    This post was edited by BigBlue4Life on 8/4/2011 at 10:39 AM

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  • These issues sure do seem to come up against the Cardinals quite a bit, not only for the Reds but for other teams as well. . . And you call us whiners, but it's the Cards that cry anytime someone throws a ball anywhere in the same neighborhood as one of there players. Guess what its baseball, get over it. Don't whine and bitch and yell crap from the dugout like a bunch of little college softball players, wait till the time is right plunk someone else, don't talk about it in public, and move on. . .

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  • BG631 said...

    These issues sure do seem to come up against the Cardinals quite a bit, not only for the Reds but for other teams as well. . . And you call us whiners, but it's the Cards that cry anytime someone throws a ball anywhere in the same neighborhood as one of there players. Guess what its baseball, get over it. Don't whine and bitch and yell crap from the dugout like a bunch of little college softball players, wait till the time is right plunk someone else, don't talk about it in public, and move on. . .

    The thing is Jeff is exaggerating the situation. It was one guy yelling.... for good reason, and he and you I guess are trying to make it out to be the entire cardinal organization. The truth is the St Louis Cardinals is one of, if not THE, classiest organizations in sports. Unlike the Reds they actually care about players characters. Hence Rasmus being shipped off to become the blue jays problem. These "issues" if that's what you want to call it happen to every team in baseball. There's a lot of jealousy against the Cards as well. It's a lot like the lesser teams crying about UK. Why do these "issues" always seem to pop up with UK and Cal? Because they're winners. Game set and match!!!!

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  • BigBlue4Life said...

    The thing is Jeff is exaggerating the situation. It was one guy yelling.... for good reason, and he and you I guess are trying to make it out to be the entire cardinal organization. The truth is the St Louis Cardinals is one of, if not THE, classiest organizations in sports. Unlike the Reds they actually care about players characters. Hence Rasmus being shipped off to become the blue jays problem. These "issues" if that's what you want to call it happen to every team in baseball. There's a lot of jealousy against the Cards as well. It's a lot like the lesser teams crying about UK. Why do these "issues" always seem to pop up with UK and Cal? Because they're winners. Game set and match!!!!

    Well I'm glad you think you've won something. . . One guy yelling for good reason??? It was some chump bench player yelling for no good reason. . . Just because it's Albert takes it in the poo-holes, doesn't give the cards the right to act offended anytime a ball goes inside on him or hits him. . . He's gonna get pitched inside, and every now and then he's gonna get hit. . . Yet the cards continue to cry and act like poo-holes is above the laws of baseball, get over yourselfs cards, you have a ton of talent every year and underachieve season after season, with some of the teams they've had over the last 10 years they should have done way better than they have. . . What Reds players have character issues??? Name one? And if your referring to the Mike Leake thing, he said it was a misunderstaning and nothing else has ever come of it. . . No reason to believe otherwise. . . And the UK - Cards comparison is laughable at best. . . The Cards have turned into an organization of whiners and complainers who think they are above baseball due to there coach most likely. . . this is the issue most have with the cards, and there is no way you could say that is the issue most have with UK. . . True that tons of people have a ton of issues with Cal and UK, but the first words out of anyones mouth when talking about them isn't "man that cal and kentucky sure are a bunch of whiners and complainers" . . . So congrats on your imaginary victory in your dillusional head. . . game, set, match. . . lol

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  • BigBlue4Life said...

    Yet another example of something YOU GUYS started and then cry and whine and complain about the cards responding to it. The cards should get a mascot and bring him with them to cincy next time. He can use one of those big slingshots to shoot tampons, tissues, and a deal on joining oprahs book club into the stands. Damn you are some whiners.

    Bring it when we beat you guys... again. biggrin

    We own you. We just can't beat the Pirates, Mets or Astros. blackeye

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  • BG631 said...

    Well I'm glad you think you've won something. . . One guy yelling for good reason??? It was some chump bench player yelling for no good reason. . . Just because it's Albert takes it in the poo-holes, doesn't give the cards the right to act offended anytime a ball goes inside on him or hits him. . . He's gonna get pitched inside, and every now and then he's gonna get hit. . . Yet the cards continue to cry and act like poo-holes is above the laws of baseball, get over yourselfs cards, you have a ton of talent every year and underachieve season after season, with some of the teams they've had over the last 10 years they should have done way better than they have. . . What Reds players have character issues??? Name one? And if your referring to the Mike Leake thing, he said it was a misunderstaning and nothing else has ever come of it. . . No reason to believe otherwise. . . And the UK - Cards comparison is laughable at best. . . The Cards have turned into an organization of whiners and complainers who think they are above baseball due to there coach most likely. . . this is the issue most have with the cards, and there is no way you could say that is the issue most have with UK. . . True that tons of people have a ton of issues with Cal and UK, but the first words out of anyones mouth when talking about them isn't "man that cal and kentucky sure are a bunch of whiners and complainers" . . . So congrats on your imaginary victory in your dillusional head. . . game, set, match. . . lol

    Poo holes? Really? You lost the second you used the words "poo holes". Brandon Phillips, Cueto, Cordero, Leake, and so on. He didn't yell for pitching inside. He was yelling at cordero for running his stupid mouth. The cards weren't even supposed to be in it this year and we are. The Reds were supposed to be atop the division. You're in the basement with the cubs and astros. How's that sweep in May doing? HA! You guys haven't done shit since Bench played so you have no room to talk about anyones success or failures. How many world series have you won in the last 10 years? 20 years?

    World Series Titles - St Louis Cardinals 9, Cincy Reds 5 (1 appearance since 1976)
    NL Pennants - St Louis Cardinals 17 Cincy Reds 9

    Looks a lot like the UK-UL discrepancy to me. Game over. Please insert more quarters :)

    BigBlue4Life

  • BigBlue4Life said...

    The thing is Jeff is exaggerating the situation. It was one guy yelling.... for good reason, and he and you I guess are trying to make it out to be the entire cardinal organization. The truth is the St Louis Cardinals is one of, if not THE, classiest organizations in sports. Unlike the Reds they actually care about players characters. Hence Rasmus being shipped off to become the blue jays problem. These "issues" if that's what you want to call it happen to every team in baseball. There's a lot of jealousy against the Cards as well. It's a lot like the lesser teams crying about UK. Why do these "issues" always seem to pop up with UK and Cal? Because they're winners. Game set and match!!!!

    You don't see me saying anything about the Phillies, Braves, Yankees, Red Sox, etc., do you? Has nothing to do with them being winners. I've already stated I have respect for their team, minus one D-Bag that pitches for them. My white whale is TLR. hammer

    And, yeah, I'm exaggerating it a bit. That's what sports fans do. Just having some fun with our dirty bird friends. biggrin

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