The Paddock

Ok. It's a serious issue. People died. Some of us are trying to have a serious discussion about it. So join in or take your clown act to another thread. No thanks for playing.

How did the gun ban in DC and Chicago work for them? Violence went up in both and DC became nicknamed the "Murder Capital of the World" because it skyrocketed so much.
Read this 2007 edition of the Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy, “Would banning firearms reduce murder and suicide?” by Gary A. Mauser and Don B. Kates.

Harvard... hardly a bastion for conservatism

They point out the fact that reduced gun ownership does not mean a reduction of gun crimes/murder/suicide.
Kates and Mauser wrote, “The determinants of murder and suicide are basic social, economic, and cultural factors, not the prevalence of some form of deadly mechanism. In this connection, recall that the American jurisdictions which have the highest violent crime rates are precisely those with the most stringent gun controls.

Chicago passed its ban on handguns in 1982, one of the most restrictive in the U.S. It is that law that is being challenged in the Supreme Court.

A study last year by economist Carl Moody of William & Mary College found that after the ban was imposed, city crime rates rose significantly, almost immediately. The city is more dangerous now than it was before the ban, the study concluded, relative to the 24 largest American cities.

On another note, did anyone else catch the bad acting this douche did in court? I haven't seen acting that bad since Larry The Cable guy's pathetic performance in that stupid movie I don't know the name of. You know the one? The only one he ever made.

read that pdf from Harvard and you will see that many of the countries with the most stringent gun laws have a higher crime rate and are less safe than their neighboring countries who are less restrictive and have a higher ownership rate.

If you are a criminal and you know that house A has the ability to defend itself and house B has no ability who do you think they will attack? How often does a criminal walking the street attack someone they view as a hard target as opposed to a soft and easy target? Why do you think that is? In no way, shape, form, or fashion in the real world does restricting gun ownership make people safer. It simply emboldens the criminals and makes the general population easier targets.

Look at how you see all these flash mobs popping up across the country to rob stores, banks, and homes. You really want to restrict someone to just a pea-shooter or 3 round clip when faced with 50+ intruders who may or may not be armed themselves? You really want them to sit idly by as they risk being killed or loved ones raped? Oh, the police will be by in 5-30 minutes to protect us all right? If people don't want guns then that's your right to not purchase but you shouldn't be making onus restrictions and infringing upon my rights to own an AR-15 or 10, 20... If I choose to have 50K rounds of ammo in my locked safe that's also my right(I don't own that much just making an outlandish point).

I'm not arguing or questioning nyou. I could be wrong on this. But I've been watching the coverage pretty closely and they just showed all the weapons used. They were an AR-15, a shotgun, and 2 handguns. It's my understanding that when the AR-15 jammed he started using the pistols. Again I could be wrong but that's what I just saw on CNN like 15 minutes ago.

I haven't seen anything about a rifle. Apparently, he shot the shotgun first, then started with the ar-15 until it jammed, but I don't know how many rounds he got off. I'm sure we'll find out.

Which is probably the case. Only instead of zombies he's thinking of flamboyantly gay men in hot pants and a boa around their necks. That looks like a shot Cobb but I promise it's not. It's a joke.

partisan lines = defending the constitution
common sense = shredding the constitution because people are scared of guns and reality

okay...

Happened only twice in our history huh... I'm not sure what you are talking about dj. There have been a ton of riots throughout the history of the US. There have been a slew of flash mobs recently with kids and young adults going and robbing peoples homes, stores, and gang beating people all the time. Someone want to break into my house they better have 50 people cause I'll be blasting a hole the size of my fists out their backside as they try and storm in and hurt me or my kids.

Carl, I realized that was a joke.

The point I was making in my previous post is it was illegal to have a weapon at that specific place. Now maybe there wasnt a well trained person in that specific theater, but if there was, and he was packing like a lot of us do. How many lives are saved? Tear gas is easily dealt with if you have been exposed. For those of you that seen my pepper spray video saw how I reacted to that and its a more concentrated version of basically the same thing. A little different but same concept. Now as far as the "armor" goes it depends on what he was wearing. I havent read but most people arent gonna drop a 1K dollars on Level III and Level IV body armor. Which means certain pistols will penetrate. Also ask someone who has been shot in armor and they will tell you it doesnt just glance off and you keep on moving. At the minimum Holmes would have been stunned. Maybe enough to be overrun and stopped quicker. Sure there are a lot of ifs in my scenario and it could have went wrong and they guy packing could have been killed. If that is the case then he is a part of the 12 and the story doesnt change. If things go right though, maybe only one or two die and we are telling a whole different story... I have had a lot of training on scenario's like this and I am nothing compared to some of the people that walk the streets. You never know who is among you and has the ability to stop something like this.

NRA BULLSHIT HUH CARL? Tell that to the people of this internet cafe and the two punks at the hospital. Also no one else was hit with stray rounds.

This didn't take long... let the madness begin.