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hoptownukfan said...
i wouldn't place the blame on Baker. Jockety has done to the Reds what he almost did to the cardinals. Completly JACK UP the entire organization paying too much for old players and not investing enough time in developing a DEEP minor league system. If the Cardinals had allowed him to run the organzation much longer they would have been in the same boat as the Reds. Fortunately they got rid of him several years ago and were able to get lucky/make some great picks/trades to restock the farm system.
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Other than Arroyo (arguably the Reds most reliable starter over the last 5 years) and Rolen, who is in the last year of his contract, what old players has Jocketty paid for. Bruce is 25, Votto 28, Phillips 30, Cueto 26. Everyone else is either a journeyman or a 1st-3rd year player that hasn't even reached arbitration eligibility. Additionally, Cozart, Mesoraco, Frazier, Leake, Cueto, Bruce, Votto, Stubbs are all products of the Reds system (some Jocketty groomed others not).
This was a playoff caliber team 2 seasons ago. They underachieved last year and look horrid right now. Granted the bats will come around and much of what I've said is blowing off some steam but I still think toothpick isn't the best of managers in the world. And if the Reds are still in the doldrums come late May, the only option they have to shake things up is to fire Dusty because I don't really know who they can trade at this point or would even want to. Their best players are either locked up in long term recently signed deals or are so young that their salary isn't worth dumping.
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hoptownukfan said...
You don't think they could have OVER achieved two years ago and are back down to earth. Considering the last decade and a half of reds baseball i think that is the likely scenario.
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The cardinals were a good team That had injury issues that had some key guys get healthy in the last 1/3 of the season. They also made a genius trade that many of you laughed at sayin that the cardinals were trading away their future. The cardinals then got hot at The right time. But to Compare the team the cardinals had and imply that they got lucky/overachieved relative to the reds one decent season in the last 13 is a massive stretch. The cardinals had a very good lineup and developed a terrific bullpen in the second half of the season to help mask a relatively weak bottom 1/3 often rotation. In today's playoff format you only need 3 starters...
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ukaveman said...
Reds really need to start thinking about benching Rolen. I know what he brings in terms of fielding and leadership but he's just a black hole at the plate. He's struck out twice today w/bases loaded which is a microcosm of his season at the plate. I just don't think he has it anymore and you need some production at 3B, certainly much more than a 170 avg.
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