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dj-ky-cat said...
I've just watched three speeches--all good.
Julian Castro's speech was excellent, but I probably won't ever vote for him for president. I didn't know he had a twin. Everybody knows the president's brother is a touch-up, so how would we ever know which one is Roger and which one is Bill (or Jimmy and Billy or George and Neil).
Michelle was awesome. That was the best nominee's spouse's ever, but that's a real low bar. Those are usually terrible (including hers four years ago--she's been woodshedding).
Whatever you think about Clinton, everybody should watch his speech for historical reasons. Nobody in the mass media age can or could do what he does nearly as well. There are great orators but none have ever had the ability to simultaneously connect on a big level and small level like he can. I truly believe he would be a candidate for Mt. Rushmore if he only knew that there were two positions on a zipper.
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dj-ky-cat said...
You're mostly right. However, there are currently three people in the political relam who pull better than a 60% approval rating (which, we'd have to assume, includes all their partisans plus most if not all the moderates). Two are featured speakers at the Democratic convention (Michelle and Bill) and the third is Hillary. The pictures of Obama and Clinton together is a positive one for the undecided. You will not see any pictures of Romney and Bush. Neither Bush was even mentioned at their convention (which is pretty sad--HW is a great man and should be the party's elder statesman).
The Republicans have nobody in that category right now--probably Christie is their most popular guy in the country but he didn't ringingly endorse his candidate last week--in fact, he pretty much gave his own acceptance speech for 2016.
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dj-ky-cat said...
You're mostly right. However, there are currently three people in the political relam who pull better than a 60% approval rating (which, we'd have to assume, includes all their partisans plus most if not all the moderates). Two are featured speakers at the Democratic convention (Michelle and Bill) and the third is Hillary. The pictures of Obama and Clinton together is a positive one for the undecided. You will not see any pictures of Romney and Bush. Neither Bush was even mentioned at their convention (which is pretty sad--HW is a great man and should be the party's elder statesman).
The Republicans have nobody in that category right now--probably Christie is their most popular guy in the country but he didn't ringingly endorse his candidate last week--in fact, he pretty much gave his own acceptance speech for 2016.
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That's the most wishful thinking post in the history of the internet. none of this will matter in 3 weeks. In fact, if the jobs report dispoints tomorrow people will have forgotten about the convention by noon tomorrow.
Further. Nobody watched Clinton's speech last night. The only folks who did are hyper-partisans. Undecideds watched football.
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What matters is that the conventions kick off the fall campaigns and campaigns do indeed affect the election. In nearly all (maybe entirely all) presidential races, the better campaigner wins. Not only is Obama very good, but he's got two powerful surrogates in Michelle and Bill Clinton, assuming Bill's really gonna help (he seemed pretty fired up to me). It remains to be seen if Hillary will do any campaigning (I'll guess no). Whether they watched last night, the swing voters in Florida. Ohio, North Carolina, Virginia, Wisconsin, etc, will be seeing a lot of them and it makes a big difference if they're likable or not.
Romney has a cash advantage, which may not be surmountable, but he is limited as a politician and doesn't have reliable surrogates with the possible exception of Christie and maybe Rubio.
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What matters is that the conventions kick off the fall campaigns and campaigns do indeed affect the election. In nearly all (maybe entirely all) presidential races, the better campaigner wins. Not only is Obama very good, but he's got two powerful surrogates in Michelle and Bill Clinton, assuming Bill's really gonna help (he seemed pretty fired up to me). It remains to be seen if Hillary will do any campaigning (I'll guess no). Whether they watched last night, the swing voters in Florida. Ohio, North Carolina, Virginia, Wisconsin, etc, will be seeing a lot of them and it makes a big difference if they're likable or not.
Romney has a cash advantage, which may not be surmountable, but he is limited as a politician and doesn't have reliable surrogates with the possible exception of Christie and maybe Rubio.
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I don't think that's quite right to say Romney's war chest dwarfs Obama's. Obama the candidate has outraised Romney so far by a lot. That will likely change. The RNC has outraised the DNC by a little and, as you point out, the big difference is in the Super Pacs where the Republicans have a big advantage. Of total friendly money (direct+party+SuperPacs), Romney has an edge but it's not huge.
It's not like Obama is having to make his own yard signs with a magic marker. Romney's not going to double him up like he did to McCain. Obama will have more money than he had last time--which was way more than he needed. At the end he was burning it--going into states he had no right to try to win, helping congressmen, buying prime time infomercials.
In politics, if you can run 2 ads to the other guys' one, you have an advantage. But if you're running 8 and he's running six, the advantage dissipates. It's all noise and has diminishing effectiveness.
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I don't think that's quite right to say Romney's war chest dwarfs Obama's. Obama the candidate has outraised Romney so far by a lot. That will likely change. The RNC has outraised the DNC by a little and, as you point out, the big difference is in the Super Pacs where the Republicans have a big advantage. Of total friendly money (direct+party+SuperPacs), Romney has an edge but it's not huge.
It's not like Obama is having to make his own yard signs with a magic marker. Romney's not going to double him up like he did to McCain. Obama will have more money than he had last time--which was way more than he needed. At the end he was burning it--going into states he had no right to try to win, helping congressmen, buying prime time infomercials.
In politics, if you can run 2 ads to the other guys' one, you have an advantage. But if you're running 8 and he's running six, the advantage dissipates. It's all noise and has diminishing effectiveness.
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I have no idea where that came from. I've never seen anything even close to that from Kerry. If he could have done that in '04, he would have been endorsing his successor last night instead of being on the undercard.
He was great--best line I thought: Ask Osama Bid Ladin if he's better off today than he was four years ago.
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ukaveman said...
Only a liberal can spin the job numbers in a positive way. Nearly 4 times as many people just quit looking for work as were hired and the pathetic Obama economy continues to tank. Again, by this time in his administration, Reagan had added nearly 8 million new jobs in his recovery (yes Stepanie dumb blonde, 8 million is more than 4.5 million, nice try). The whole point is that after a steep recession, the economy is supposed to have a more robust recovery. It's ok, we'll just put more and more folks on the public trough since the Dems think it's the best form of stimulus. You can't make this crap up!
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