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  • What do you really believe? All bullsheet and propaganda aside. What are your true political ideas and how do you view this crazy world of ours? Please also give your most important idea for how to improve the situation we are in financially mainly.

    tWhit

  • I am pro-life, pro-family, pro-gun, pro-military and pro-personal responsibility. I am anti-government and anti-class warfare. I consider myself a social ultra-conservative. I believe the republicans have 2 wings: the big business wing and the social conservative wing. We hate each other but we need each other. We need the big business wing money, and they need our passion and ability to get out the vote.

    I think that once we have someone in office who is not going to declare war on big business and small business for that matter, the economy will start chugging again. If someone were to come out and say, "ok, we're setting business tax rates at 30% for the next 15 yrs," even if the business thinks that's too much, at least they now can plan for the future. This crap where they fight every year to make the tax rate either 5% or 75% (I know neither is a number that is bandied about), is terrible for business. my opinion anyway. I have never taken an econ class or tried to run a business. I don't really even care that much about money, as long as I've got enough to pay my bills. But I do think business is sitting on a lot of money right now because they have no idea what to expect. Someone needs to put forth a long-term plan. and by long-term, I mean longer than 2 yrs.

    stillDA23

  • The top end corporate tax rate hasn't changed in over 20 years. Nobody ever talks about raising it Whatever the problems are, it's not corporate taxation

    djkycat54906

  • dj-ky-cat said...

    The top end corporate tax rate hasn't changed in over 20 years. Nobody ever talks about raising it Whatever the problems are, it's not corporate taxation

    How bout you give your beliefs kind sir and leave his alone for now.

    tWhit

  • tWhit said...

    How bout you give your beliefs kind sir and leave his alone for now.

    I believe people should know what they're talking about.

    djkycat54906

  • dj-ky-cat said...

    I believe people should know what they're talking about.

    Lol. +1. Like I said, I don't follow that stuff too closely, nor do I care too much. I thought I heard there was a lot of uncertainty as to what business owners were going to be responsible for, and I thought it went further than just Obamacare.

    stillDA23

  • dj-ky-cat said...

    I believe people should know what they're talking about.

    Agreed. Still waiting to see what you've got to say.

    tWhit

  • stillDA23 said...

    Lol. +1. Like I said, I don't follow that stuff too closely, nor do I care too much. I thought I heard there was a lot of uncertainty as to what business owners were going to be responsible for, and I thought it went further than just Obamacare.

    There is uncertainty. One of the fundamental issues of the election is what is causing it.

    The Republicans try to blame uncertainty in the taxation and regulatory realm.

    The Democrats try to assert that the uncertainty is cause by consumer's not having jobs or being scared of losing them and thereby not spending.

    So back to people needing to know what they're talking about--right now cash levels at corporations is at all-time highs, borrowing rates are at all-time lows, tax rates are as low as they've ever been--why isn't that an impetus to expand? The only logical reason is that there's not any demand to make expansion profitable--so it's better to buy a bond yielding 10 basis points than to build a new store or create a new product line that's going to lose money.

    My most fundamental belief is that this country wouldn't be worth a nickel without the middle class. Those are the people who do all the hard jobs, fight our wars, and strive to make their kids turn out better and have the kinds of opportunities where they can lead their business or their church or their community or their country forward. To do that, we need things like roads, cops, good public schools, college financing, safe banks, consumer protection, small business assistance, and affordable access to healthcare.

    djkycat54906

  • I agree that it's cyclical, and therefore not easy to fix. It's going to take everyone spending their money again to get this thing rolling. People can talk against "trickle-down" all they want, but any recovery is going to rely heavily on trickle-down policies, unless our government decides to go with redistribution of wealth, which I do not advocate

    stillDA23

  • stillDA23 said...

    I agree that it's cyclical, and therefore not easy to fix. It's going to take everyone spending their money again to get this thing rolling. People can talk against "trickle-down" all they want, but any recovery is going to rely heavily on trickle-down policies, unless our government decides to go with redistribution of wealth, which I do not advocate

    I consider myself a conservative Libertarian. However, given the 2 major party options of today... Conservatives and Liberals (Republican or Democrat means nothing these days)... I believe the liberal agenda is killing America and I believe the conservative agenda is the only way to save America. Period.

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    JawJacker

  • I'm like a lot of folks in my generation (25-35). I don't identify with either party. I've voted, Bush (but wouldh ave voted for clinton if he could have run for a 3rd term), Bush (kerry was awful) Obama (got caught up in the grandor and rhetoric and hyperbole) and will vote Romney. I'm independent but think very conservatively on economic and fiscal issues but am fairly liberal on the social issues.

    My vote for romney will likely be the first time I've ever tried to help a candidate win and will be the first time I'm "excited" to vote for somebody. Barack Obama has been an absolute disaster.

    hoptownukfan

  • I'm guided as much by what I don't believe in as I am in what I strongly believe in. I believe wars should not be waged for anything less than survival. I do not believe in waging wars just because we don't like somebody or because they annoy us. I do not believe that Americans dying for no other reason than being poor and not being able to afford health care is morally acceptable. I do not believe that trickle down economics works. I believe a strong middle class is vital to our survival as a good and fruitful nation. I do not believe in class warfare, which was started on the middle class by Reagan and the republicans 30 years ago. I do believe in common sense regulation in the markets. I do not believe letting the wolves tend the sheep is smart and that's exactly what caused all this economic mess in the first place. I do not believe abortion is murder but I'm also not a huge fan of it. I think it's the woman carrying the childs cross to bear, not the Governments. I believe in investing in education. I do not believe Government is evil at every level and can offer nothing to society. I do believe that Government can help and be useful where needed. I believe those that gain the most from this country should pay more taxes to it than those barely scraping by. I believe the electoral college should be done away with. I believe the house of representatives should be done away with. I believe in common sense gun regulations. I have historically not believed in the death penalty but with the marvels of dna science now I have changed a bit. I'm ok with the death penalty as long as there is indisputable DNA evidence as well as other evidence proving guilt. I believe the savage rhetoric engaged in by radio dj's and cable "news" networks are killing this country. They spout out complete lies, spread hate and fear, and suffer no consequences.

    My view of the world.... most people are good at heart but don't show it often. Some are pure evil. God exists but he isn't present. Most people are gullible sheep. People are getting dumber. We're going backward as a species instead of forward. The internet causes more harm than most people admit. The world will not end in December. The Kardashians and people's obsession with celebrity news is a direct sign of the end of the world though. And on a final note... doomsday preppers are the lowest form of human, next to Kardashians.

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    CarlLexington

  • CarlLexington said...

    I'm guided as much by what I don't believe in as I am in what I strongly believe in. I believe wars should not be waged for anything less than survival. I do not believe in waging wars just because we don't like somebody or because they annoy us. I do not believe that Americans dying for no other reason than being poor and not being able to afford health care is morally acceptable. I do not believe that trickle down economics works. I believe a strong middle class is vital to our survival as a good and fruitful nation. I do not believe in class warfare, which was started on the middle class by Reagan and the republicans 30 years ago. I do believe in common sense regulation in the markets. I do not believe letting the wolves tend the sheep is smart and that's exactly what caused all this economic mess in the first place. I do not believe abortion is murder but I'm also not a huge fan of it. I think it's the woman carrying the childs cross to bear, not the Governments. I believe in investing in education. I do not believe Government is evil at every level and can offer nothing to society. I do believe that Government can help and be useful where needed. I believe those that gain the most from this country should pay more taxes to it than those barely scraping by. I believe the electoral college should be done away with. I believe the house of representatives should be done away with. I believe in common sense gun regulations. I have historically not believed in the death penalty but with the marvels of dna science now I have changed a bit. I'm ok with the death penalty as long as there is indisputable DNA evidence as well as other evidence proving guilt. I believe the savage rhetoric engaged in by radio dj's and cable "news" networks are killing this country. They spout out complete lies, spread hate and fear, and suffer no consequences.

    My view of the world.... most people are good at heart but don't show it often. Some are pure evil. God exists but he isn't present. Most people are gullible sheep. People are getting dumber. We're going backward as a species instead of forward. The internet causes more harm than most people admit. The world will not end in December. The Kardashians and people's obsession with celebrity news is a direct sign of the end of the world though. And on a final note... doomsday preppers are the lowest form of human, next to Kardashians.

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    JawJacker

  • JawJacker said...

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    Damn it, why'd you have to quote that? I've been enjoying not seeing Carl's socialist rants.

    hoptownukfan

  • hoptownukfan said...

    Damn it, why'd you have to quote that? I've been enjoying not seeing Carl's socialist rants.

    Haha... sorry, but I just had to do it.

    I always applaud a good show... especially comedy.

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    JawJacker

  • Carl, I get what you're saying and can respect most of it, but I am curious why you want the House done away with. I imagine you think it gets in the way of progress when the wrong party controls it. Just curious

    stillDA23

  • stillDA23 said...

    Carl, I get what you're saying and can respect most of it, but I am curious why you want the House done away with. I imagine you think it gets in the way of progress when the wrong party controls it. Just curious

    I don't care who controls the HOR. I'd want it done away with no matter who is in charge. It's outdated. Have you seen some of the people in the HOR? There's a huge chunk of those deranged mental midgets I wouldn't elect dogcatcher. It's too big. It clogs up everything. Get rid of the HOR and tweek the senate to be based on population. But not like 15 senators from one state. 5 at the most. 1 at the least. It would be far more efficient. I admit this idea is way way way outside the box. This is an idea that should appeal to the tea party people. Talk about shrinking the size of government!!

    Oh and something else I forgot. I don't believe in term limits. I should be able to vote for any candidate I want. If a President is doing a good job why should he only be allowed 8 years? That makes no sense to me at all. Say a CEO takes over a company and through 8 years makes them a better company. Say everyone is happy with this CEO and look forward to working for him for years to come, but he has to be fired after 8 years. Makes no sense.

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    CarlLexington

  • hoptownukfan said...

    Damn it, why'd you have to quote that? I've been enjoying not seeing Carl's socialist rants.

    Do you even know what socialism is?

    You voted for Obama right? You voted for an Obama running on universal health care, and wall street regulations right? If you want to call my "rant" socialist just make sure you point at yourself in the mirror as well.

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    CarlLexington

  • CarlLexington said...

    I don't care who controls the HOR. I'd want it done away with no matter who is in charge. It's outdated. Have you seen some of the people in the HOR? There's a huge chunk of those deranged mental midgets I wouldn't elect dogcatcher. It's too big. It clogs up everything. Get rid of the HOR and tweek the senate to be based on population. But not like 15 senators from one state. 5 at the most. 1 at the least. It would be far more efficient. I admit this idea is way way way outside the box. This is an idea that should appeal to the tea party people. Talk about shrinking the size of government!!

    Oh and something else I forgot. I don't believe in term limits. I should be able to vote for any candidate I want. If a President is doing a good job why should he only be allowed 8 years? That makes no sense to me at all. Say a CEO takes over a company and through 8 years makes them a better company. Say everyone is happy with this CEO and look forward to working for him for years to come, but he has to be fired after 8 years. Makes no sense.

    Damn... I actually agree with most of this. However, I would not completely do away with the HOR... I would tweek it similarly to the way you are talking about doing the Senate. I think both sides are clogging shit up and need to be downsized. I like the idea of term limits for those in the House and Senate... they forget who they are serving after they've been in office too long. With that said, however, I agree with the idea of extending the term limit for the POTUS... if he/she is doing a good job of working with both parties, uniting America, maintaining a strong economy, etc.... then, it makes no sense to boot him/her out of office. It's like shooting yourself in the foot.

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    JawJacker

  • The way to fix the House is to have a bipartisan panel create an objectively-based system for drawing the districts. What we do now rewards extremism and non-compromise.

    Kentucky is the worst. Andy Barr got screwed this year. And Geoff Davis' former district is a freaking snake--LaGrange to Ashland--I don't even know if you could drive between them in a day without going outside the district.

    The Senate is by far less democratic--a Senator from Wyoming represents 200,000 people, the Senator from California represents 20 million--and they each get the same vote. If I were from California or New York or Texas, I'd be beating that drum--but any change to the Senate would be a huge detriment to all of us who live in the little states.

    djkycat54906

  • dj-ky-cat said...

    The Senate is by far less democratic--a Senator from Wyoming represents 200,000 people, the Senator from California represents 20 million--and they each get the same vote. If I were from California or New York or Texas, I'd be beating that drum--but any change to the Senate would be a huge detriment to all of us who live in the little states.

    Absolutely right. That's why I think the Senate should be tweeked to go by population and just getting rid of the HOR all together. The Executive has one entity. The Judicial has one. Why does the Legislative have 2? The president and supreme court supply enough checks and balances for the legislature. There's no need for them to check and balance(clog up the process) each other.

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    CarlLexington

  • CarlLexington said...

    I don't care who controls the HOR. I'd want it done away with no matter who is in charge. It's outdated. Have you seen some of the people in the HOR? There's a huge chunk of those deranged mental midgets I wouldn't elect dogcatcher. It's too big. It clogs up everything. Get rid of the HOR and tweek the senate to be based on population. But not like 15 senators from one state. 5 at the most. 1 at the least. It would be far more efficient. I admit this idea is way way way outside the box. This is an idea that should appeal to the tea party people. Talk about shrinking the size of government!!

    Oh and something else I forgot. I don't believe in term limits. I should be able to vote for any candidate I want. If a President is doing a good job why should he only be allowed 8 years? That makes no sense to me at all. Say a CEO takes over a company and through 8 years makes them a better company. Say everyone is happy with this CEO and look forward to working for him for years to come, but he has to be fired after 8 years. Makes no sense.

    You do know that "tea baggers" believe in the constitution, don't you? They are against gov't bigger than the perameters set forth by the constitution. Not gov't period. I think the way the legislative branch is set up is a pretty good compromise, where the states are equal and the bigger ones have more say at the same time. Now, as far as their rules go at governing themselves is up for debate.

    One other thing. I am a little curious how you can rail against the rich and then completely support their most exclusive club (Senate) at the expense of the common man (HOR).

    stillDA23

  • stillDA23 said...

    One other thing. I am a little curious how you can rail against the rich and then completely support their most exclusive club (Senate) at the expense of the common man (HOR).

    Great point DA

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    JawJacker

  • stillDA23 said...

    One other thing. I am a little curious how you can rail against the rich and then completely support their most exclusive club (Senate) at the expense of the common man (HOR).

    Well for one I don't agree with your parameters. Secondly in my idea the Senate would change and be more like the HOR. Only a smaller more effecient HOR. I don't completely support the Senate. I don't know where you got that. I said I think it's completely unfair that each state gets 2 senators and I'd change it.

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    CarlLexington

  • Personal liberty goes above all else. Freedom of speech, freedom to bear arms, freedom to assemble.

    Don't go to war unless it's defensive. The rest of the world constantly fucks with us because we constantly fuck with the rest of the world. We could cut our defense spending by 75% and still have twice the military power of the next several largest countries combined. There are your lower taxes. Promote the 2nd Amendment, encourage every household to be armed. No one's going to invade us. If they want to try, bring it on, mother fuckers!

    I'm fine with GOP desires to drastically cut welfare. I would at the same time drastically increase minimum wage. Everyone who works full time should be able to afford a halfway decent, safe place to live as well as medical care.

    End the War on Drugs. I'm not talking about legalizing PCP and crack. People are going to drink, and people are going to smoke weed. Without instituting draconian policies that severely erode the personal freedom of everyone, that's not going to change. The US has more people in prison per capita than any country in the world. A majority are in for non-violent drug offenses. This is NOT the land of the free right now. It's just not, there's absolutely no reasonable argument otherwise.

    To improve the current financial situation, put lawmakers on the same playing field as the rest of us. Priority one is eliminating corruption. Double the salary (seriously) of Congress, the House and the rest of the executive branch. Eliminate lobbyists completely. Eliminate corporate donations to campaigns completely. Sitting lawmakers must sell all private investments for the duration of their terms, and have their portfolios tied directly to the performance of the economy. Pass a law that states any sitting Senator or Representative is not eligible for re-election if there's not a balanced budget. If the country doesn't prosper, neither do the lawmakers. No more backroom deals which will make their retirement portfolio explode with money.

    Enforce harsh tax penalties to US companies that outsource jobs to other countries. Tax (highly) imported goods. This will make t-shirts from China comparable cost-wise to US t-shirts, which are of a higher quality. This will encourage people to buy domestic, stimulating the economy.

    Make it easy for young people to get ahead education-wise. The US is falling behind.

    Completely reform our totally fucked up food culture in the US. We've dropped down to the 40s in life expectancy, I think 42nd internationally. Stop providing tax breaks or credits for any food producers who doesn't turn out food that's healthy. If you want to keep eating eight Big Macs a day, popping Lipitor, and have a heart attack in your late 40s, go for it. But get the twisted US Agricultural system off of welfare so the rest of us don't have to pay for it.

    Related to that last point, the USDA has two important tasks. One is to promote a healthy diet. The other is to promote food (mostly from megafarms) that is given corporate welfare and government subsidies. Get rid of all USDA responsibilities related to anything other than promoting a healthy diet and keeping the food supply safe.

    BigTyrone