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It's over fellas

  • I hate to say it, but it is. Obama completely screws rhe pooch over the Lybian embassy thing, then gives a speech and all is better. The American people are asleep at the wheel and we're driving over a cliff. I'm not saying Obama is the anti-Christ, but he is exactly like the anti-Christ will be.

    This post was edited by stillDA23 on 10/10/2012 at 3:00 PM

    stillDA23

  • I would guess we have a different opinion on who was having the canine conjugal--I believe 'twas Mitt and he made it worse by having the poor thing ride to Canada strapped on top of the car.

    But I agree--it's over.

    djkycat54906

  • lol I just can't understand how some people think and how they draw the conclusions they do. I guess I never will.

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    CarlLexington

  • really it was Obama who screwed the pooch on the embassy thing, gee i thought it was pretty clear it was Mitt who f'd that up.

    goldenbearcatz

  • Mitt has had an epic-ly bad week to ten days--and the worst part for him is he's losing some of his echo chamber.

    Rush's comments today: it doesn't matter who the Republican candidate is--it might as well be Elmer Fudd. That's a lotta confidence in your boy Mitt.

    djkycat54906

  • I seriously don't understand Mitt's bad week. Someone is going to have to explain that one to me. My point is, it doesn't matter how badly Obama screws something up, he gives a speech and all is well. He's slicker than Clinton in that regard. The debates won't matter. Mitt could wipe the floor with Obama and BHO will just give a speech. Loss nullified.

    stillDA23

  • stillDA23 said...

    I seriously don't understand Mitt's bad week. Someone is going to have to explain that one to me. My point is, it doesn't matter how badly Obama screws something up, he gives a speech and all is well. He's slicker than Clinton in that regard. The debates won't matter. Mitt could wipe the floor with Obama and BHO will just give a speech. Loss nullified.

    Where do you get that crap? It isn't the speech that does it. It's calling the repugs out for their over the top lies and untruths that do it. Mitt couldn't wipe the floor with my dog in a debate. The man believes in nothing. He just sways from flip to flop and from flop to flip to suit whatever he thinks will get him elected. He answered nothing in the republican debates. The reason he's slipping in the polls is because he politicized americans that were killed. He tried to directly relate what an embassy under attack put out to Obama. And people correctly called foul. His running mate can't tell the truth even about his marathon time, much less the fuzzy math with his budget plan. Mitt won't release more than a years tax returns. Mitt won't say how he'll balance the budget. All he says about it is that he'll cut taxs on the rich. Which goes against every econimist in the world. It's Mitt wanting to take a womans right to choose or even have birth control. It's the entire republican platform being based on a lie "you didn't build that". It's trying to suppress voting for the old and minorities. It's STILL going on about the birther nonsense when that was cleared up a long time ago. Basically now that the conventions are over and the election is close people are paying attention and they don't like what they see from Romney. Some actually look at facts of what Obama has done rather than lying rhetoric Rush and Fox "News" and are coming to the conclusion that Obama isn't that bad. Especially when compared to Romney. A lot of people are tired of the lies and nonsense from the right and it's showing. And you think it's a speech? Boggles the mind.

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    CarlLexington

  • Wow. Where do you get your information? And everything you said could be true, but the fact remains, Obama's speeches fix everything.

    stillDA23

  • Mitt's week:

    --saw Obama get a post-convention bounce of which he got none. Non-partisan, and partisan, observers opined that the Democrats hosted a more focused convention with more enthusiasm on the floor while the Republicans let the message wander with people (i.e. Christie, Clint) who spent their time taking the spotlight off the candidate

    --issues a statement on the Egyptian embassy on which he had the facts wrong (the embassy's tweet came out before the violence started) and made him look to some like someone trying to extract political gain from an international tragedy--made worse when people died the next day.

    --the chances of him winning his home state of Michigan has moved into long-shot territory

    --a raft of prominent Republicans have decided they'd rather legitimately criticize (Joe Scarborogh) or cheap shot (Rush) Mitt rather than consistently having his back

    --today's (or maybe yesterday's) article in Politico shows a campaign in dis-array, poorly managed (Mitt's supposed to be a management guru?) and obviously full of dissension (enough dissension that multiple players are talking to Politico).

    --current polls show him losing ground in the popular election. His 3-2-1 strategy is in bad shape. Of the five states he needed, only one is solidly his, one leans his way, and one (Ohio) is close to being out of reach). Of the one state of eight he needs--he doesn't have a lead in any of them. It doesn't mean there's no path to victory, but it's getting harder and harder to fathom.

    I'm a partisan Dem, but I don't think I'm saying anything here that's not objective. I am really surprised at how bad a campaign he has run. He's clearly a smart guy with a lot of managerial skill and he's been working on this campaign for four years--it's just amazing that he's let it run off the rails this badly this late.

    djkycat54906

  • stillDA23 said...

    Wow. Where do you get your information? And everything you said could be true, but the fact remains, Obama's speeches fix everything.

    From places that don't curtail their news to fit a person's beliefs like Faux. When your campaign has to put out a press release saying "we're not going to run this campaign based on fact checkers" you know you have a problem with telling the truth. It really is disturbing to know there are that many Americans out there willing to throw truth and decency aside just to serve their own political biases, and racial biases in a lot of cases. You go on thinking it's the speeches.

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    CarlLexington

  • I'm not disagreeing with you on those points, but you guys are missing my point. Half of your list, by the way are really results of some of the other stuff. Besides, did anyone really think Michigan would ever come into play? It's a solid blue state.

    Sorry. In response to dj.

    This post was edited by stillDA23 on 9/17/2012 at 3:34 PM

    stillDA23

  • I can't believe I'm getting arguments from you guys when I just conceded the election. Lol

    stillDA23

  • dj-ky-cat said...

    I'm a partisan Dem, but I don't think I'm saying anything here that's not objective. I am really surprised at how bad a campaign he has run. He's clearly a smart guy with a lot of managerial skill and he's been working on this campaign for four years--it's just amazing that he's let it run off the rails this badly this late.

    I'm not convinced he's that great of a manager. His business was made for him. All he did was go into companies, gut them, send jobs overseas, sell them at a profit. People cite the Olympics. What exactly did he do to "save" the Olympics? He let the kooks get in his ears and off the rails he goes. I don't blame his campaign for the week he had. I blame him. Word is he's the one that made the call to go out there and try to score political points on the Egypt thing. I think in your desperation to be fair and objective, which is honorable, you're giving him more credit than he deserves. It's one thing to manage a company that's a glorified house flipping operation and something else entirely when you're under fire and under pressure. We're seeing Mitt's managerial skills when things get hot and it's not impressing anyone. Even many on his own side. Nah, it's an Obama speech that's Mitt's downfall lol

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    CarlLexington

  • stillDA23 said...

    I can't believe I'm getting arguments from you guys when I just conceded the election. Lol

    It's your reasoning that it's an Obama speech that turned the tide that we're arguing with lol

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    CarlLexington

  • I never thought Michigan was in play. As soon as Mitt wrote the op-ed "Let Detroit Go Bankrupt" he lost Michigan.

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    CarlLexington

  • Carl, were there any flaws at all in how Obama handled the Egyptian thing?

    stillDA23

  • stillDA23 said...

    Carl, were there any flaws at all in how Obama handled the Egyptian thing?

    No. He didn't call a press conference before he knew anything at all and blame Romney for it all. Stop trying to deflect Romney's failings on Obama. It's not really a complicated thing. Learn the facts, figure out what you want to say and how that will effect the situation, say what you're going to say. That's what Obama did. I find no fault in it. I particularly enjoyed him saying the people responsible for this will be brought to justice. This is about Romney trying to score cheap political points on absolute bullshit. Saying it was an Obama press release when it came out of the Embassy. Absolutely disgusting bullshit and people are tired of it.

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    CarlLexington

  • Ok. We're both dug in. No surprise there. Have a good day. I'm moving on.

    stillDA23

  • stillDA23 said...

    I'm not disagreeing with you on those points, but you guys are missing my point. Half of your list, by the way are really results of some of the other stuff. Besides, did anyone really think Michigan would ever come into play? It's a solid blue state.

    Sorry. In response to dj.

    Back in June-July, it was within the margin of error--but no, I didn't think Mitt would win it. I think Mitt thought he could win it.

    djkycat54906

  • stillDA23 said...

    Carl, were there any flaws at all in how Obama handled the Egyptian thing?

    I'm not Carl, but if I may opine..I didn't like the initial tweet, but I'm not gonna try to blame that on Obama or Hillary.

    The only other handling I know of is Obama's pretty Vito-Corleone statement that Egypt's not an ally or an enemy, but if they don't fix these kinds of problems (i.e., not protecting our embassy), it will be a "real big problem." I don't think he minced words and he got Morsi's attention. It's a bold foreign policy statement.

    djkycat54906

  • let me just say it was not any speech that Obama gave that has given him the bounce he needed, it was Clinton's speech that put him in the position he is in. after Bill's speech all Obama had to do was just not F it up.

    Clinton laid it out for the American people exactly what the 2 parties visions are and where they stand on the issues in such clarity that it really was devastating to the Romney/Republican ticket.

    i think Clinton knows the Republican positions on issues better than the Romney campaign, in fact he presented more details about where the Republicans stand on the issues in his speech than Romney and Ryan did in their speeches combined.

    and if Clinton's speech is not your cup of tea, look at the 2 conventions. one was a complete cluster with no organization, no clear vision, kind of felt like it was half-assed.

    the other was a production that had a clear message and clear goals to be accomplished, speaker after speaker hammered home the same message over and over, and communicated the Democratic parties vision for the country very clearly and very confidently.

    if you cannot pull off a successful convention, or hire people competent enough to do it for you, how the hell are you going to convince folks you and your folks should run the country.

    goldenbearcatz

  • goldenbearcatz said...

    let me just say it was not any speech that Obama gave that has given him the bounce he needed, it was Clinton's speech that put him in the position he is in. after Bill's speech all Obama had to do was just not F it up.

    Clinton laid it out for the American people exactly what the 2 parties visions are and where they stand on the issues in such clarity that it really was devastating to the Romney/Republican ticket.

    i think Clinton knows the Republican positions on issues better than the Romney campaign, in fact he presented more details about where the Republicans stand on the issues in his speech than Romney and Ryan did in their speeches combined.

    and if Clinton's speech is not your cup of tea, look at the 2 conventions. one was a complete cluster with no organization, no clear vision, kind of felt like it was half-assed.

    the other was a production that had a clear message and clear goals to be accomplished, speaker after speaker hammered home the same message over and over, and communicated the Democratic parties vision for the country very clearly and very confidently.

    if you cannot pull off a successful convention, or hire people competent enough to do it for you, how the hell are you going to convince folks you and your folks should run the country.

    Thats a pretty biased opinion. Republicans would say democratic convention was a cluster as well...it showed great organization when they had to vote on the platform multiple times...

    People will see what they want to see...and you saw exactly that.

    WildcatGG24

  • WildcatGG24 said...

    Thats a pretty biased opinion. Republicans would say democratic convention was a cluster as well...it showed great organization when they had to vote on the platform multiple times...

    People will see what they want to see...and you saw exactly that.

    Keep it up with that kool-aid

    goldenbearcatz

  • I think it's fair to say most moderate and independent people would say the democratic convention blew the republican one away. Only the most conservative of republicans would say their convention was better and I'd bet a lot that a good % of those know the democratic convention was better but would never admit it.

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    CarlLexington

  • CarlLexington said...

    I think it's fair to say most moderate and independent people would say the democratic convention blew the republican one away. Only the most conservative of republicans would say their convention was better and I'd bet a lot that a good % of those know the democratic convention was better but would never admit it.

    Democratic stuff like that is always "better" because it's the cool and hip thing to be...and Democrats have the White House, always helps when you have the sitting Pres.

    So no doubt Democrats have a lot more "hollywood" in their productions and I assume it plays very well to the average Joe that isnt much into politics but will vote. If people wanted plans and ideas, neither convention gave many specifics.

    WildcatGG24