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Newt Gingrich...

  • CarlLexington said...

    They didn't wait years. They brought it to peoples attention years ago. And got paid off for their silence. As for this new woman it isn't that kind of situation. It's a woman that carried on a 13 year relationship with him. I like how you use "these kind of women". Like they are automatically lying. In unison. It isn't the left that Cain himself is accusing for bringing all this back up. He's blaming his republican opponents. Mainly Romney and Perry. You're so busy with your anti-left rhetoric you don't even care about facts. You're blaming the left when the man himself is accusing his republican opponents. That's funny. Did it ever occur to you that he might not be such a great guy? Did it ever occur to you that a man can be a pervert and still be a great leader? MLK - notorious womanizer. JFK - need I say more? You probably don't like him but Clinton didn't do too bad as I recall. If you need a republican example look no further than Ike. If I'm not mistaken he carried on an affair for decades didn't he? If Cain's your guy your only answer to people bringing it up should be "so?" and then recite the examples I posted. And for the record I don't give a crap if he wins the nomination or not. And did I not make it clear earlier that I don't like Obama either? Did I not say I'm staying home on election day? I don't think a guy trying to get some strange should disqualify him from being President. Just don't sit there blaming everyone but him. Don't sit there blaming the other party when it's the people in his own party that are doing it. Obama would love for Cain or any tea party candidate to win the nomination. If Obama knew about those stories I bet they'd bury it or at least hold on to it until it was sure Cain was his opponent. Think about it. But this kind of thing kills campaigns and his numbers are showing it.

    You stated: "They didn't wait years. They brought it to peoples attention years ago. And got paid off for their silence."

    My reply: Hearsay... where's the proof?

    You stated: "As for this new woman it isn't that kind of situation. It's a woman that carried on a 13 year relationship with him."

    My reply: You said yourself in another post that this woman "maintains" they had a 13 year relationship. How does that equate to "REALLY HAD" a 13 year relationship? Again, just hearsay... where's the proof?

    You stated: " It isn't the left that Cain himself is accusing for bringing all this back up. He's blaming his republican opponents. Mainly Romney and Perry."

    My reply: He NEVER specifically named anyone... he gave "general" answers as to who may be behind this. YOU said Cain named Romney and Perry... where's the proof?

    You stated: "And for the record I don't give a crap if he wins the nomination or not."

    My reply: For someone who doesn't care or plans on staying home and not voting... you sure seem to be awful worried and concerned about who the possible GOP nominee will be... and thus, make an obvious effort to point out all the "negatives" of Obama's competition. Odd.

    This post was edited by JawJacker on 11/29/2011 at 1:37 AM

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  • dj-ky-cat said...

    There was an episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm this year where Larry decided to invest $$$ with an inventor he just met because he was a young good looking guy with a fat ugly wife. He assumed the guy must have character. He also fired his business manager who was a bald ugly dude who had a hot wife, for the opposite reason. He decided he wasn't trustworthy.

    Newt is a little fat ugly dude with a reasonably hot wife 20 years his junior--and he dumped his previous wife to get her (and had done the same thing to the wife before that). Maybe we all think about trading in our wives after 15-20 years, but very few of us ever do it. So he's got to convince the male electorate that a guy like him can still have a pretty wife and be trustworthy. There's no use in even trying to convince the female electorate of that--he can't win with them.

    Haha. I gotta hand it to ya Dj... that's witty stuff! thumbsup

    Hell, it's even hard to argue with that kind of logic. biggrin

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    JawJacker

  • JawSmacker I don't care. I really don't. The republican field are in the news. That's why they're being commented on. And I said they all suck and I could smash them all up if I wanted. I said why I didn't like Newt. Cain kept getting love and I happened upon yet another woman accuser. The point of it was to show he's done as a candidate. Did you not read my post? I said right in there that this shouldn't cost him a chance. I'm betting if it was a democrat that had all these women coming forward you would have an entirely different outlook. Whereas I would have the exact same outlook either way. I bet during the Clinton scandal, before there was the stained dress and everything was just rumor, you believed everything they said about him. That's if you were even alive then. I hope Cain stays in as long as he can. It's more entertaining with him in the race. Do you even believe the crap you type?

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  • CarlLexington said...

    I'm betting if it was a democrat that had all these women coming forward you would have an entirely different outlook.

    What makes you think it's not a democrat who's bringing these women forward? Sounds to me like its you who would have an entirely different outlook, since you keep posting rhetoric without any proof... which btw, tells me that YOU actually DO believe the crap YOU are typing. lol

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  • JawJacker said...

    What makes you think it's not a democrat who's bringing these women forward? Sounds to me like its you who would have an entirely different outlook, since you keep posting rhetoric without any proof... which btw, tells me that YOU actually DO believe the crap YOU are typing. lol

    It isn't rhetoric. It's news. I explained why it's not a democrat. It would be incredibly stupid for a dem to bring this up at this time. The timing doesn't gel with a dem doing it. Even Cain knows that and has said as much. Are you so blinded by partisan politics you can't grasp the simple concept that a republican can leak a story on another republican to gain an advantage in a primary? It happens every election. Dems leaking on dems. Repubs leaking on repubs. It's par for the course. Cain gets up in the polls with Romney and this stuff comes up and you blame Obama? What kind of sense does that make? Cain making a race of it plays well for Obama. Why would he want to derail it? That makes no sense. And your entire thinking is wrong. There isn't some conspiracy laden mad man mastermind behind the scenes coaching these women and throwing them to the press. The story got leaked and these women came forward. As for proof the woman has cell phone records. 4AM phone calls. Yeah. He says she's just a friend he was helping financially. Right.

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  • CarlLexington said...

    It isn't rhetoric. It's news. I explained why it's not a democrat. It would be incredibly stupid for a dem to bring this up at this time. The timing doesn't gel with a dem doing it. Even Cain knows that and has said as much. Are you so blinded by partisan politics you can't grasp the simple concept that a republican can leak a story on another republican to gain an advantage in a primary? It happens every election. Dems leaking on dems. Repubs leaking on repubs. It's par for the course. Cain gets up in the polls with Romney and this stuff comes up and you blame Obama? What kind of sense does that make? Cain making a race of it plays well for Obama. Why would he want to derail it? That makes no sense. And your entire thinking is wrong. There isn't some conspiracy laden mad man mastermind behind the scenes coaching these women and throwing them to the press. The story got leaked and these women came forward. As for proof the woman has cell phone records. 4AM phone calls. Yeah. He says she's just a friend he was helping financially. Right.

    I see, it's "news".. and thus NOT rhetoric. Wow... the liberal media really has SOME people fooled. Cain may be guilty as hell... I never said he was innocent. I just refuse to hang someone until ALL the "FACTS" are laid out. That's all... either way, it would not mean he couldn't lead our country... just ask Clinton. I'm sure you supported him, right?

    Btw... someone else used to get really mad when I refused to accept their posts as FACT. You will have to learn this too... your opinions are NOT facts, for the rest of us to take as gospel.

    This post was edited by JawJacker on 11/29/2011 at 11:12 PM

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  • JawJacker said...

    it would not mean he couldn't lead our country... just ask Clinton.

    I said the exact same thing. I even gave more examples of womanizers that were good leaders. Do you smoke meth?

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  • CarlLexington said...

    I said the exact same thing. I even gave more examples of womanizers that were good leaders. Do you smoke meth?

    Why... got any?

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    JawJacker

  • JawJacker said...

    Why... got any?

    I wish. I'd make a fortune on you crazy fockers.

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    CarlLexington

  • CarlLexington said...

    Cain making a race of it plays well for Obama. Why would he want to derail it? That makes no sense. And your entire thinking is wrong. There isn't some conspiracy laden mad man mastermind behind the scenes coaching these women and throwing them to the press.

    Always follow the money. The DNC has already started spending bucks to run anti-Romney campaign ads. Obama would greatly prefer to run against Cain or Newt or Perry--it would make no sense for him to sabotage Cain's primary run.

    I'm with Jawjacker in that I don't know if I believe all these women and I don't know what that, in and of itself, says about his leadership ability. It doesn't matter much what I think, because I wasn't going to vote for him anyway, but whether proved or not, it's going to hurt him with women and with the social conservatives. I think it makes him unelectable.

    There's not enough data out there to know if this kind of thing plays better or worse for Republicans vs. Democrats.

    In general, I think Democrats would be more forgiving about this kind of thing, as we were with Clinton, but then again we shunned John Edwards and I'll predict with confidence he'll never return to elective politics.

    But, I think Republicans are more easily led to believe in exterior forces like THE MEDIA or an OBAMA CONSPIRACY that lets them shift the blame from where it belongs.

    djkycat54906

  • dj-ky-cat said...

    Always follow the money. The DNC has already started spending bucks to run anti-Romney campaign ads. Obama would greatly prefer to run against Cain or Newt or Perry--it would make no sense for him to sabotage Cain's primary run.

    I'm with Jawjacker in that I don't know if I believe all these women and I don't know what that, in and of itself, says about his leadership ability. It doesn't matter much what I think, because I wasn't going to vote for him anyway, but whether proved or not, it's going to hurt him with women and with the social conservatives. I think it makes him unelectable.

    There's not enough data out there to know if this kind of thing plays better or worse for Republicans vs. Democrats.

    In general, I think Democrats would be more forgiving about this kind of thing, as we were with Clinton, but then again we shunned John Edwards and I'll predict with confidence he'll never return to elective politics.

    But, I think Republicans are more easily led to believe in exterior forces like THE MEDIA or an OBAMA CONSPIRACY that lets them shift the blame from where it belongs.

    I don't know if I believe all of them either. I figure if there's so many odds are at least 1 or a few of them are telling the truth. It's just the odds. And you hit on my entire point. True or not, and I believe a lot of it is true, it has ended his run. His numbers are plummeting. I think the difference between Clinton and Edwards is a matter of degree. Clinton dribbled some on a dress. Edwards actually got a woman pregnant and that all hit when his wife got diagnosed with cancer. Just the perfect crap storm for Edwards. And there's no way he ever runs for office again. But yeah, you nailed everything perfectly.

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    CarlLexington

  • Latest poll shows Newt leading Obama by 2 percentage points if the Presidential election were held today. It means nothing I know... just say'in.

    You guys are right, baggage don't always make a person unelectable (who's political savvy), but for someone like Cain... baggage (or even rumors) can be very damaging.

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    JawJacker

  • Newt is on a roll... he's leading in ALL polls now. Mitt has reason to worry... as does Obama.

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  • I just don't think that Gingrich can beat Obama in the general election. He's way too polarizing, even within the Republican party. He can't bring enough moderates out. The GOP has a good shot with Romney if people can get past the Mormon thing.

    BigTyrone

  • Here's an article on the subject. My favorite part:

    Indeed, faced with him as the nominee, many conservatives would privately hold their noses and vote for Obama. “Bigfoot dressed as a circus clown would have a better chance of beating President Obama than Newt Gingrich, a similarly farcical character,” one anonymous Republican told Washington Post blogger Jonathan Bernstein.

    Why smart conservatives suddenly hate Newt

    Right-wing intellectuals have turned on Gingrich. Theyd be terrible in a general election

    www.salon.com

    BigTyrone

  • I have a sneaking suspicion that the republicans could nominate Ted Bundy and JJ would think he could beat Obama. In 2012 Newt being a serious contender, much less the front runner, just goes to show the sad state of the republican party. Newt won't be the nominee. Just the latest in the long line of flash in the pan front runners. I don't mean to rag on that article but isn't "smart conservative" an oxymoron? biggrin

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  • Any hatred for Newt (or any REP candidate) will not make a Republican hold their nose and vote for Obama. That is fiction.

    Obama will get shredded in '12 by ANY candidate barring a full blown implosion. A pizza maker would've trounced Obama if the election were held in August.

    Kooky Kats 247

  • Obama would beat Newt by 15+. He'd beat Romney by 8+. The only legs the republicans had to stand on were jobs and the economy. Even though they have no plan for either other than to shoot down anything Obama proposes. The economy keeps steadily getting better and jobs are coming back. So I think when they have the debates and Obama is able to contrast real progress against conservative obstructionism and rhetoric independents and moderates will flock to Obama. Romney could have given him a run for his money but his flip flopping will kill him. That's all contingent on the economy and jobs numbers to continue to improve as they have.

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  • CarlLexington said...

    I have a sneaking suspicion that the republicans could nominate Ted Bundy and JJ would think he could beat Obama. In 2012 Newt being a serious contender, much less the front runner, just goes to show the sad state of the republican party. Newt won't be the nominee. Just the latest in the long line of flash in the pan front runners. I don't mean to rag on that article but isn't "smart conservative" an oxymoron? biggrin

    You're a joke... see me laughing roflmao

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  • CarlLexington said...

    Obama would beat Newt by 15+. He'd beat Romney by 8+. The only legs the republicans had to stand on were jobs and the economy. Even though they have no plan for either other than to shoot down anything Obama proposes. The economy keeps steadily getting better and jobs are coming back. So I think when they have the debates and Obama is able to contrast real progress against conservative obstructionism and rhetoric independents and moderates will flock to Obama. Romney could have given him a run for his money but his flip flopping will kill him. That's all contingent on the economy and jobs numbers to continue to improve as they have.

    I can't wait to throw all this back in your face after Obama gets slaughtered... by Newt or WHOEVER the GOP nominee is. (including Ted Bundy).

    Make sure you load up on kleenex.. you're gonna need it to wipe your tears.

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  • JawJacker said...

    You're a joke... see me laughing roflmao

    As one of your friends said, you're a fool.

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    CarlLexington

  • JawJacker said...

    I can't wait to throw all this back in your face after Obama gets slaughtered... by Newt or WHOEVER the GOP nominee is. (including Ted Bundy).

    Make sure you load up on kleenex.. you're gonna need it to wipe your tears.

    I am writing down the name of this thread so when Obama doesn't get slaughtered I'll be able to dig it back up and laugh at you. And there won't be any tears. I don't care who wins and I won't be voting in this election because I don't approve of any of them.

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  • Kooky Kats 247 said...

    Any hatred for Newt (or any REP candidate) will not make a Republican hold their nose and vote for Obama. That is fiction.

    Obama will get shredded in '12 by ANY candidate barring a full blown implosion. A pizza maker would've trounced Obama if the election were held in August.

    I agree with your first statement, but Gingrich is enough to keep the GOP moderate-sometime-voters home.

    How do you justify your statement about Obama getting shredded? Please support it with some factual data if it's not just complete speculation on your part. I disagree with you. Here's a story about polls done in South Carolina and Florida, 2 states critical for the GOP if they're to win in 2012. Obama probably would have lost if the election were this past August, I agree with you on that.

    "Obama, who lost South Carolina to Sen. John McCain in 2008, leads Romney there, 45% to 42%, a disparity within the margin of error. Obama also leads Gingrich 46% to 42%. The result is a reversal for Romney, who bested the president by six percentage points in the October poll.

    In Florida, a state Obama captured in the last election, he would beat Romney 48% to 41% and Gingrich 51% to 39% in a potential match-up. In October, voters were divided between Romney and Obama."

    Poll: Good news for Gingrich and Obama in early states

    (CNN) - Newt Gingrich is the frontrunner for the GOP nomination in the early primary states of South Carolina and Florida, but he and fellow top-tier candidate Mitt Romney fall short when faced with President Barack Obama, according to a new survey.

    politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com

    BigTyrone

  • Also, check out the picture of Obama at the top. What the hell is going in with his chin / face?

    BigTyrone

  • BigTyrone said...

    I agree with your first statement, but Gingrich is enough to keep the GOP moderate-sometime-voters home.

    How do you justify your statement about Obama getting shredded? Please support it with some factual data if it's not just complete speculation on your part. I disagree with you. Here's a story about polls done in South Carolina and Florida, 2 states critical for the GOP if they're to win in 2012. Obama probably would have lost if the election were this past August, I agree with you on that.

    "Obama, who lost South Carolina to Sen. John McCain in 2008, leads Romney there, 45% to 42%, a disparity within the margin of error. Obama also leads Gingrich 46% to 42%. The result is a reversal for Romney, who bested the president by six percentage points in the October poll.

    In Florida, a state Obama captured in the last election, he would beat Romney 48% to 41% and Gingrich 51% to 39% in a potential match-up. In October, voters were divided between Romney and Obama."

    Right now, the Republicans are attacking each other. wait till there's a consensus candidate and they start going after the low hanging fruit of Obama's economic record which is atrocious.

    Kooky Kats 247